Katana thrust

[Ujio]

My suggestion is to trade in some speed for some decent Thrust damage.

I think a good way to look at it, is in comparison to the Bastard sword. Both swords aren't so different in terms of weight and length.

So if we were to give the Katana the same stats as the Bastard sword (35 cut, 21 pierce)
And then apply rule such as, the "Katana is a curved weapon, so it should have +2 cut" 37 cut
And the "Bastard sword is a straight weapon, so it should have + 2 pierce" 21 pierce

Then the Katana would have 37 cut 19 pierce
Bastard sword 35 cut 21 pierce

But right now it's +5 pierce to the Bastard sword.

I think 19 pierce for the Katana would be about right

My post from this thread
http://forum.meleegaming.com/realism-discussion/katana-extreme-%27based-on-reality-balance%27-fail/15/

My suggestion is to give the Katana the same speed as the Bastard Sword, as the weight and length of Katana and Bastard sword is not that different.
And in return, receive some decent Thrust damage.

Katana
weapon length: 95
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 99
Thrust damage: 19 pierce
swing damage: 37 cut

I'd much prefer the Katana, to be thought of as a Viable weapon, than a Cheap spamming weapon

[Haboe]

Stop this katana balancing, reworking, buffing, nerfing, my old friendging.

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[Malaclypse]

Remove the thrust entirely, give more weight (the Nodachi solution).

[Muki]

:/ I see this as a nerf since than why would I use a Katana ( Short Slashing Weapon) when I could use a Longsword/Bastard sword for the extra reach

[Spa_geh_tea]

Yes, please Nerf all spammy high damage 2h (anything above 35cut).

Do it. Nike

[owens]

The problem is curved blades are great in warband just because of their hit box's. Some of them were fixed others not so much. Remember the native scim, you could hit your opponent with the air in front of the weapon and kill them.


The katana is a niche weapon and in reality would have been superseded by the long sword overnight if the quality of steel was available. The katana has a very low str requirement and very high speed in these respects it is a very good weapon. The long sword has reach and a decent stab it is fair as katana stabs would have bounced of even the poorest metal armour and could have even shattered on impact with plate or if caught in the armour and bent.


I know it is not a great resolution but style comes at a cost the cost is that you are stuck with a weapon suitable for high wpf and athletics builds.

[Ujio]

:/ I see this as a nerf since than why would I use a Katana ( Short Slashing Weapon) when I could use a Longsword/Bastard sword for the extra reach

That's a good point Muki. I suppose it would be down to personal preference. If you prefer the extra Cut, you'll go with the Katana. If you prefer the extra Pierce, you'll go with the Bastard sword. Plus aesthetic reasons like Japanese themed character, European themed character.

The problem is curved blades are great in warband just because of their hit box's. Some of them were fixed others not so much. Remember the native scim, you could hit your opponent with the air in front of the weapon and kill them.

Yeah but the Scimitar is a lot more curved that the Katana. I'm no expert, but I don't think the curvature of the Katana would make a big difference in the way you're meaning.

The katana is a niche weapon and in reality would have been superseded by the long sword overnight if the quality of steel was available. The katana has a very low str requirement and very high speed in these respects it is a very good weapon. The long sword has reach and a decent stab it is fair as katana stabs would have bounced of even the poorest metal armour and could have even shattered on impact with plate or if caught in the armour and bent.

As for this. Do you actually think a longsword would do better against Plate than a Katana? Do you think a Longsword could pierce plate, but a Katana couldn't?

Both swords would be shite against plate. Neither sword would pierce plate, because swords are crap against armor.
A Spear, heavy blunt trauma weapon (mace etc) and Bow would be the preferred weapons.

And shatter and bend? Gimme a break

[Rebelyell]

katana thread again....

[Umbra]

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[Nightmare798]

Both swords would be shite against plate. Neither sword would pierce plate, because swords are crap against armor.
A Spear, heavy blunt trauma weapon (mace etc) and Bow would be the preferred weapons.

And shatter and bend? Gimme a break

Long sword is desgned with stabbing in mind. It can actually stab through plate handily, provided the hit does not glance, (and it will glance most of the time, plate is desgined to make it so after all).

Katana on other hand is purely a slashing weapon, useless against any sort of plate armor. The reason it was useful was because japanese rarely used plate armor of any sort.

And shatter and bend? Gimme a break

Perfectly plausible. Japanese smiths had to work their asses of f to make a blade of a quality comparable to european made sword. Not because they were bad smiths, but due to to the shortage of quality steel that was caused by the lack of natural resources and isolation from the rest of the world.

Most japanese swordsmen from 10th century to 16th century wielded swords of mediocre quality. The rest of them possesed high quality custom swords, that were of great make, but they were still forged from the same godawful steel. Those weapons were the ones that were the legendary heirlooms passed down to next generations. NOTE: that does not mean they were able to cut stones in half, just that they were solid weapons by european standarts...

[Nightmare798]

Nope, cos I saw a film once where a Samurai was really badass and his sword was like totally unbreakable, therefore all katanas forever are master-crafted unbreakable weapons.

The same way that every European Knight is the King of England.

We all saw THAT film once heskey. Odd thing I cant really remember what was it called.

[Gravoth_iii]

Nice necro bump, 2k12, a good year for crpg.

[BlackxBird]

It's allready op enough. That tard weapon doesn't need more speed.