Re-working Couch

[Strudog]

Currently at the moment Couching is one hit wonder ability that requires little to no skill to use and really goes against any type of proper game balance, what i would like to see is either the need for a longer run up and more of a dedication to the couch than it currently has or tone down the damage output on it, it is currently too strong in my opinion.

Discuss.

[Joseph Porta]

Sure, but dont you think this could possibly make hit & run tactics even more extreme?

[Thryn]

Cav guys couching are risking themselves for the kill most of the time, therefore balanced; If you happen to hit them before you get couched, you will magically 1 hit kill them due to speed bonus.

Btw, if you see them coming, try and strafe one way, and when they "lock in" on you, change directions and you can dodge most of them. Unless it's Pehntuhr. Pantur is gunna kill u m8.

nerf arabian

[MURDERTRON]

Couching has less reach than stabbing, only one hit kills if the enemy isn't walking away.  Heavy lance has been nerfed the to the ground, regular lance can be outreached by just about any stab.  Great lance you can only couch with, so if you ever get stopped or go uphill it's worthless.

What more do you want?

Edit: Oh and vouching is single contact only , meaning you can't couch a rider and horse at the same time.  It's whichever one you hit first, usually the horse.

[Switchtense]

What more do you want?

Some ice cream wouldn't hurt.

[Joseph Porta]

Couching has less reach than stabbing, only one hit kills if the enemy isn't walking away.  Heavy lance has been nerfed the to the ground, regular lance can be outreached by just about any stab.  Great lance you can only couch with, so if you ever get stopped or go uphill it's worthless.

What more do you want?

Edit: Oh and vouching is single contact only , meaning you can't couch a rider and horse at the same time.  It's whichever one you hit first, usually the horse.

Good points!

[AntiBlitz]

Couching has less reach than stabbing, only one hit kills if the enemy isn't walking away.  Heavy lance has been nerfed the to the ground, regular lance can be outreached by just about any stab.  Great lance you can only couch with, so if you ever get stopped or go uphill it's worthless.

What more do you want?

Edit: Oh and vouching is single contact only , meaning you can't couch a rider and horse at the same time.  It's whichever one you hit first, usually the horse.

the fact is, the lances are all still good, and the great lance can be used by anyone regardless of wpf, i think if anything thats my complaint, you are allowing someone with no pole wpf to put all their points in 1h or 2h and still have the luxury of the one hit wonder great lance, and thats what most great lancers do, and thats ridiculous.

[Switchtense]

Is it possible to tie the wpf to the overall use of couching?

So no wpf means getting the couch ready would be a lot slower (So basically lowering the lance)
cooldown would be increased immensely as well.

I assume the "turn rate", so adjusting the lance when the target is trying to dodge, cannot be altered without having the overall turnrate of everything changed?

[BlindGuy]

I dont see it, tbh: Couching is a pain, but it IS pretty balanced: I walk away from couches all the time when in peasant rags....

ALSO noobs: You know you can chamber couches, right? You dont HAVE to try and dodge if you have no shield, couch counts as a stab and therefor can be chambered with both stabs and overheads, just practise it for a while if you're a 2h with overheads, soon you will be destroying the cav-man's head as he rides past. With polearms I would personally go for the stab chamber, since you are gonna stop his horse, and then, well, it's facegravy time once you have his horse stopped.

[Thryn]

I dont see it, tbh: Couching is a pain, but it IS pretty balanced: I walk away from couches all the time when in peasant rags....

ALSO noobs: You know you can chamber couches, right? You dont HAVE to try and dodge if you have no shield, couch counts as a stab and therefor can be chambered with both stabs and overheads, just practise it for a while if you're a 2h with overheads, soon you will be destroying the cav-man's head as he rides past. With polearms I would personally go for the stab chamber, since you are gonna stop his horse, and then, well, it's facegravy time once you have his horse stopped.

'cause you know BlindGuy is chambering couched lances all day

[Switchtense]

I dont see it, tbh: Couching is a pain, but it IS pretty balanced: I walk away from couches all the time when in peasant rags....

ALSO noobs: You know you can chamber couches, right? You dont HAVE to try and dodge if you have no shield, couch counts as a stab and therefor can be chambered with both stabs and overheads, just practise it for a while if you're a 2h with overheads, soon you will be destroying the cav-man's head as he rides past. With polearms I would personally go for the stab chamber, since you are gonna stop his horse, and then, well, it's facegravy time once you have his horse stopped.

That is true, but sometimes in the heat of a battle it is far easier to jump or run out of the way rather than attempting a chamber.

Anyway, would still be nice to make it a little bit less viable for people with no polearm wpf though I think.

[BlindGuy]

'cause you know BlindGuy is chambering couched lances all day

No not really, few cav try it, best defence against cav is too look right at them, not many cav will risk losing their horses on aware targets, but if someone does try to couch you, it's really not a hard chamber, not like guessing when someone is gonna release their hold.

[Riddaren]

I think couching with thrusting lances (light lance, lance, heavy lance) is fine as it is.
What should be done about couch only lances (great lance for example) is to make wpf matter and ps matter more.

For a heavy lance both ps and wpf is very important.

[Admerius]

Why not add a Lance drop chance when hitting something? Even objects... yes... maybe even teammates 

Formula example:

Dropchance in percent=100-(150/<pole wpf>)*100

List of results:wpf/Risk to drop lance)
1 wpf= 99,3%
50 wpf = 66,7%
100wpf= 33,3%
120 wpf= 20%
150+ wpf=0%

[no_rules_just_play]

Why not add a Lance drop chance when hitting something? Even objects... yes... maybe even teammates 

Formula example:
Dropchance in percent=100-(150/<pole wpf>)*100
List of results:wpf/Risk to drop lance)
1 wpf= 99,3%
50 wpf = 66,7%
100wpf= 33,3%
120 wpf= 20%
150+ wpf=0%

I like it:D