Langes Messer's secondary mode stats + question

[Johnnyfirs]

So I can't seem to find the stats of Langes Messer on the shop without actually buying the weapon and looking in-game.
Does anyone know the stats of a +3 Langes Messer in secondary mode?

And on a side note - how viable is it (+3) with 15/24 and 111 2h wpf?

[Joseph Porta]

Its a good weapon in secondary, 5 ps is more then enough. I do think 6 ath is a minimum because of its short range, other then that its a great weapon.

Fighting axe is just so much more stylish.

[Johnnyfirs]

It's either that or a +3 Mace.
Mace got blunt damage and knockdown which is nice for low ps, but Langes Messer has better range and better speed (I think?)

[Joseph Porta]

I dont like the mace, it relys too much on hiltslashing alone to my liking.. But that is personal bias, it is a good weapon for the exact points you mentioned.

Langes messer has a bloody sick stab though (polestab) which can be devestating

Btw, theres a section specially for this! http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/ 

[Johnnyfirs]

That's true.
But to return to the OP, do you know its stats, or atleast how to check it?

[Tibe]

MW Langes Messer stats in 2h mode: 37 swing, 27 thrust and 101 speed.

Its okay in 2h mode, but dont expect too much. You still underequiped when facing longswords. Personally id still go for the mace since it has blunt and knockdown or the fighting axe cause it bashes shields. But thats just me. Also the Messers 2h swings always kinda made me feel a bit uncomfortable, so im kinda clumsy with it, which is why I dont use it.

[Johnnyfirs]

Blunt is nice, but I found the knockdown to be fairly rare really.
Do you know the stats for fighting axe +3 secondary mode?
It really comes down to MW Langes Messer vs MW Fighting Axe

[Joseph Porta]

The fighting axe is 3d whilst the LM is 4d, plus the LM has pierce on its stab. Otherr then that the fighting axe is superior when it comes to raw damage.

Its really up to you mate, try the unloomed versions and make your decision is what id say.

[Rico]

I am not perfectly sure, but I recall that the Fighting Axe secondary mode has 1 cut more than the Langes Messer, i.e. 38c on +3.

[Johnnyfirs]

The fighting axe is 3d whilst the LM is 4d, plus the LM has pierce on its stab. Otherr then that the fighting axe is superior when it comes to raw damage.

Its really up to you mate, try the unloomed versions and make your decision is what id say.

The extra speed and range is not to be forgotten too.
But good idea, I'll buy both and try it out!

[Joseph Porta]

Stats only tell you half the story, afterall.   

[matt2507]

Langes messer 1h:
weight: 1.7
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 98
Weapon length: 92
thrust damage: 27.9
Swing damage: 32

Langes messer 2h:
weight: 1.7
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 100
Weapon length: 92
thrust damage: 28.1
Swing damage: 34

[Gurnisson]

In my opinion:

Military Sickle > Mace
^
If there's many people in heavy armour

Fighting Axe > Langes Messer
^
If cut damage is enough

[WITCHCRAFT]

The military sickle is absolutely dirty against heavy armor. So fast, and devastating even at low PS. The mace is good if you like to gamble on that chance to knock down.

Between the fighting axe and langes messer, I'd go for the langes messer unless you are specifically taking it because shields counter your main weapon (if your main weapon is ranged, pike, etc.). Langes messer is like a shorter bastard sword that takes up 1 slot instead of 2. I really like the model too.

[Johnnyfirs]

Oh god the decisions, I hadn't even taken Military Sickle into consideration :c