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Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2013, 06:48:40 pm »
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The avatar is from an amazing game called Grim Fandango, and the character it depicts is a parody of Che Guevara. You total fucking moron.
I'm not even going to get into how fucking disgusting, oppressive, racist and dictatorial pre-communist Cuba was. It was basically a vacation island for american mobsters. Che Guevara was a warrior, as violent and fucked up as any other warrior throughout history. You don't seem to like him much because you're an extremist right wing nutbag. Do you even know who Fulgencio Batista was, what his policies were, what he did? Did you think Cuba was some sort of idellic wonderland of peace and harmony before the communists? Do you know ANYTHING at all about Cuba? I find it particularly ironic, since one of the biggest beefs of your insane rightwing parties in Greece is that your leaders are selling out your nation to foreigners. Gee, I wonder how that lines up with Batista. Fucking idiot. I notice you don't mention who the poor, "innocent" people he ruthlessly executed were. May as well call the result of the Nuremberg "trials" ruthless executions.


Oh, thank you for telling me that the avatar is from a game, gee Oberyn, I should start eating froglegs aswell to be smart like you.

Now that you told me that at this forum people are allowed to have avatars of mass murderers, racists and dictators, gonna change mine to einstein, or Mussolini, or Franko.

But please, tell me more, you are funny when you rage, I guess I found out another Che fanboy.

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Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2013, 06:56:41 pm »
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The avatar is from an amazing game called Grim Fandango, and the character it depicts is a parody of Che Guevara. You total fucking moron.
I'm not even going to get into how fucking disgusting, oppressive, racist and dictatorial pre-communist Cuba was. It was basically a vacation island for american mobsters. Che Guevara was a warrior, as violent and fucked up as any other warrior throughout history. You don't seem to like him much because you're an extremist right wing nutbag. Do you even know who Fulgencio Batista was, what his policies were, what he did? Did you think Cuba was some sort of idellic wonderland of peace and harmony before the communists? Do you know ANYTHING at all about Cuba? I find it particularly ironic, since one of the biggest beefs of your insane rightwing parties in Greece is that your leaders are selling out your nation to foreigners. Gee, I wonder how that lines up with Batista. Fucking idiot. I notice you don't mention who the poor, "innocent" people he ruthlessly executed were. May as well call the result of the Nuremberg "trials" ruthless executions.

That still doesn't make the Che a nice guy.

I was drawing realism way outside it's field, continuing on Angantyr's post, but the inherent focus on self interest, disregard of moral considerations and aversion to ideologies would not lead to as much improvements for the state of humanity, if applied to individual decision making. With in my opinion an improvement to the state of humanity being providing a higher quality life.

Aversion of ideology doesn't mean individuals can't help each other, in fact we do it all the time without personal interest, except our own happiness of being kind / having good conscience. Even if you strive to be the absolute egoistic douche, you will do altruistic things because you get biological rewards out of them. The problem with ideologies (and also any sufficiently strict philosophical theory) is that applying them blindly leads to catastrophies because they are by definition simple, which means they cannot bring the correct answers to all complex problems of reality, and they are subject to interpretation. Note that the existence of an optimizing decision rule without those two problems is impossible.

The best society is the one that works based on reality and what humans do, using their qualities but also using their vices (ex. capitalism uses greed to bring services and things to others). The worst society tries to change humans, or neglect their actual behavior in the name of an utopia.

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Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2013, 07:00:23 pm »
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I'm possibly more anti-communist than you are, but it's mostly from a general anti-authoritarian perspective. Castro and the communist revolution in Cuba did not happen in a vacuum. The war that had summary executions and entire villages of campesinos wiped out was not a one-sided affair. You may want to start thinking why the people rebelling so easily reached that point. Maybe it's because it had already been happening to them for more than a decade. I respect Guevara as a warrior, yes. There's a reason he became such a central figure of the revolution, despite being no more than some random foreigner with no fighting experience when Castro landed with a few dozen men. Fanboy though? Nah, like I said, he was a warrior, and warriors are never clean. He was stained with the blood of his many victims, some of which probably did not deserve it. Many more did though. The "government officials" he executed weren't exactly angels themselves. Again, read up on Batista's regime.
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Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2013, 07:03:12 pm »
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Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2013, 07:08:17 pm »
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If there's anything more ridiculous than the attempted saintification of Guevara by left-wing fanatics, it's the reactionary smear campaign against him by right-wing fanatics. You guys deserve each other.
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Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2013, 07:12:11 pm »
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So he is praising communism, big deal. His loss in general. In communism only powerfigures get to drink expensive wine and eat themselves fat. Everybody else gets to eat shit.

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Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2013, 07:17:27 pm »
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Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2013, 07:45:08 pm »
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