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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2013, 03:19:06 am »
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His favourite weapon got nerfed and instead of trying to play/learn a new 1h weapon, he RQ`s.

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i stll see kinngrimm on alot on siege, and i dont even play somuch enymore, hes using some onehanded axe in secondary mode.
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2013, 09:00:06 am »
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Nope. Saw him some days ago, using the steel pick again. Before that, he was using an axe in secondary mode.

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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2013, 10:20:19 am »
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Guess he hit 37 or smth then
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2013, 03:32:52 pm »
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Wouldn't doubt if he respecced.

There's a nice battle axe that only requires 12 strength (does 35c unloomed)
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2013, 04:34:46 pm »
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MW Broad One Handed Battle Axe, 30p in alternative mode.
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2013, 04:50:06 pm »
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Weapons with secondary pierce mode typically aren't worth using (at least from what I've seen of calculations), they're far too low compared to the cut damage.

I thought the broad one handed battle axe (non-loomed) was 35c and 25p?

*EDIT after san's post*  Nevermind, my data is at least 6 months old
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2013, 05:03:42 pm »
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The secondary modes on the axes were considerably buffed. The iron war axe, for example, with 31p at +3, becomes a great close quarters sidearm that helps fill a hybrid niche of a shieldbreaker and tincan opener (don't need a fast weapon for either) without costing all that much.

Either way, shields have their pros with a few necessary drawbacks. It is easier to fight with manual block no shield due to the movement increase, but the mental stress of having to block and dodge projectiles all the time can be annoying. Shields don't do much against archers that are specifically pinpointing you, but they do help when they have multiple distractions to deal with.

Shields break fast enough for them to receive use without being overpowered, and the defensive shields are slow. You probably get as much utility from 1-4 points in shield as most other skillpoints. After that, shield skill tapers off immensely. If shield skill were useful for things other than equipment requirements and a small defensive boost (negated by picking up additional shields off the ground), it would be nice.
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2013, 08:09:15 pm »
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op dous have a point thow, shields are pretty useless , specially since nudge is implemented. also if u have a shield to protect you from range you cant catch them with it either.. atleast i have a really hard time on my main with 7 athletics and a 2hander 4 shieldskill, shield usually gets broken, and the forcefield also kinda sux.. im using the heavy round shield... imo a weight revamp would be nice to give shielders some love
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2013, 08:14:12 pm »
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Shields are defensive/passive equipment, not offensive/attacking equipment. 
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2013, 08:15:26 pm »
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Why are people having a serious discussion in this thread.  Create a new one please.

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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2013, 03:23:10 am »
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dude, get your facts straight on what are facts and opinions and discussions. You're messing it all up.

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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2013, 09:19:11 pm »
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Im really sorry, but saying that Hoplites are Op or have the fastes animation is BS.
The only time they do really well, is for supporting or if ignored. On  a 1v1 situation, every idiot should be able to kill a hoplite, if they cant they suck. If im not mistaken, 1h left swing is still the fastes animation out there and even get me started on 2h stab.

For shields, i my self is only using a 3 shield skill shield, cause i only got 3 shield skill. 
Shields is still a great item to have in close quarters.. You can block 4 direction on the same time,they does brake a bit faster then they used to. My shield normally breakes when an axe pounds on it, otherwise it rarely brakes

P.S: Im a hoplite
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Re: they should just take shields out of the game
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2013, 01:42:58 am »
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Been playing a lot of hoplite in AUS battle which has had good numbers lately.

Shields are great for surviving. Whether its ganks, couched lances, ranged. As a lone hoplite I can 1v1 or 1v2 a few opponents but with lots of people in a fight reach is power. A lot of people hoplite because it is better than pike and is the only way to get the reach spears deserve. Its a completely different, fun and challenging way to play.


Finally dreadnock is super bad and should feel really bad.
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