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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2013, 04:21:24 pm »
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When I was HA I chased HX to kill them. As HX I avoid HA whenever I can. Wonder why!

Not a very good HX  :wink: The HX I have played against will hit me with 2 bolts and I'm dead. Whereas it'll take a significant amount more arrows to do the same thing to an HX whilst having far poorer accuracy. All an HX has to do is weave a bit to avoid arrows, whereas it's much harder to avoid those laser guided bolts. Also, you can only get 2 arrows to every 1 of an HX. Maybe 2.5 (half drawn) but not 3.

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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2013, 04:40:41 pm »
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When I was HA I chased HX to kill them. As HX I avoid HA whenever I can. Wonder why!
cos your superfast pony could be damaged.

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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2013, 05:20:00 pm »
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HAs grow a pair, you're not that worse than HX, and if I, a fucking horsethrower on a slow as fuck steppe horse, can take out most HXs in a one on one, then so can you. Both classes feel just as hard to play against, and I die from two arrows about as much as I die from two bolts.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2013, 06:06:32 pm »
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HA accuracy is good enough to play well, even with this STF, level 30 char. My build is 18/21, 163 WPF in Archery, Yumi +3, Bodkins +3.
I'm using 3 packs of arrows, so I have 51 bodkins (pierce damage) in total. That's 2 times more ammo than HX has.

And where are you getting the gold to fund this? Because it isn't from the HA.
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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2013, 07:17:24 pm »
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And where are you getting the gold to fund this? Because it isn't from the HA.
Both my HA and HX uses exactly same armor. With same horse, max upkeep is:
HA: 3,717 gold
HX: 3,241 gold
So that's about 12% upkeep difference in favor of HX. Not big one, but yeah, HX is slightly cheaper to play.

My Shielder and 2h chars has max upkeep about 2.5k. With those classes i'm not losing money, but even make some.
Why is upkeep so high for HA/HX? I guess it's just part of devs solution to keep people away from playing those classes.

I really don't see HA as weak class comparing to HX. It's just different class. As HA I focus enemy horses and infantry, as HX I focus enemy ranged and horses. HX is easier class to play, but that also means it's relatively easy to max out your potential as HX (which isn't that huge!). Since HA is harder to play than HX, it's also much harder to master it, so it has greater potential (especially i'm doing fine even now, as HA newbie).
Imo HA/HX in term of efficiency are no match at all to 2h or any other proper class. I can decide about battle win if I have good round as Shielder or 2h. As HA/HX it's almost impossible to affect battle itself - before I kill 1 target, battle is often in ending stage already. I can kill some more enemies then, but it won't affect battle result anymore, battle is basically over. But I like it anyway, playing HA/HX is always something different.

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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2013, 07:19:24 pm »
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Both my HA and HX uses exactly same armor. With same horse, max upkeep is:
HA: 3,717 gold
HX: 3,241 gold

Did you count the double chance for arrow break into the equation? Would probably increase the price gap a bit if you didn't
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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2013, 07:47:41 pm »
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Did you count the double chance for arrow break into the equation? Would probably increase the price gap a bit if you didn't
I just took max upkeep stat from the page which includes 3 bodkins for HA / 2 steel bolts for HX. But of course it doesn't work like that. Some people says double or tripple items don't increase upkeep chances anymore, it was removed in some patch (I don't know if that's the truth or not).

The thing is, I don't really understand why do we have those random chances of upkeep anyway? I don't see any logic in random chances of repair, because if you are lucky you can ride plated charger with full plates and laugh from upkeep, and if you are not, then basically every build can take whole your gold really soon. I would prefer to have some small upkeep, multiplied by number of ticks. Then everyone would be treaten same way.
I know many people would say random chances are same for everyone. But unfortunatelly, it isn't working this way. Just look at cRPG lottery, in theory everyone has same chances there, and there are big winners and big losers of this system. That's why random upkeep is really bad solution for such a basic game function as money collecting.

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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2013, 07:51:32 pm »
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When I was HA I chased HX to kill them. As HX I avoid HA whenever I can. Wonder why!
Because HX with 7 requirement body armour is the only thing HA's have a chance of actually killing and as a HX you can kill anything?

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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2013, 10:20:09 pm »
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I would prefer to have some small upkeep, multiplied by number of ticks. Then everyone would be treaten same way.

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This is especially bad for newer players which don't have tons of gold and can't ignore bad streaks.
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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2013, 11:18:25 pm »
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After much thinking i came to a conclusion how HX should be balanced correctly:

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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2013, 11:55:59 pm »
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After much thinking i came to a conclusion how HX should be balanced correctly:

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I know how to fix all ranged in crpg.

Remove all classes which don't use a shield.
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Re: Nerfing Horse Xbows or Buff HA
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2013, 12:14:16 pm »
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Increase the STR req already ffs.
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