Archery upkeep (poll)

[Penitent]

My main is a shielder, but I have an archer alt.

I think we should remove the archery upkeep nerf.
I know nerfing archers is really popular, but they've gotten a hearty serving of that already, especially with the new quiver weight just added.

Making archers pay more for their equipment really doesn't balance them in any way.  I don't think its necessary any more.

[jtobiasm]

ARROWS WEIGHT SHOULD BE REDUCED, IT WAS FINE BEFORE AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN KITE UNLESS YOU HAD 8+ ATHL WHICH MEANS YOU'D NEED TO BE HIGH LEVEL.

[Adalwulf]

every patch is a new ranged nerf patch....and mostly for archery. Getting a little pissed off now. Especially since last week I put 2 looms into italian falchion for my archer and now FINALLY THEY FUCKING ADD 0 SLOT USABLE ITEMS BUT GUESS WHAT? MY SWORD ISN"T 0 SLOT! TY DEVS.

[Ronin]

Adalwulf maybe you can try to trade it (possibly will be hard). Or ask the devs to make that weapon 0 slot too. I don't think they did leave your loomed sword 1 slot on purpose.

[Penitent]

I agree that having arrows be so heavy is a bit...ridiculous.  However, a lot of people seem to like it and it seems to be the direction the devs want to go in (2 patches in a row add weight).  At least upkeep should be brought to normal levels in an attempt to be sensible about ranged balance.

[Riddaren]

My main is a shielder, but I have an archer alt.

I think we should remove the archery upkeep nerf.
I know nerfing archers is really popular, but they've gotten a hearty serving of that already, especially with the new quiver weight just added.

Making archers pay more for their equipment really doesn't balance them in any way.  I don't think its necessary any more.

I think heavy upkeep on archers makes perfect sense.
Remember, upkeep isn't fair. It's not relative to effectiveness of the class but a simple way to keep down the number of players.
This applies to tincans and cavalry as well. But foremost heavy cavalry. It's not like the plated charger is a good horse. If it was, good cavalry players would use it.

[Ronin]

I agree, my mamluk horse is not 3 times better than a destrier. I just like it that way, so I'm using it. Would be cool if there can be an upkeep reduction though. 4k (ouch) hurts.

[Penitent]

I think heavy upkeep on archers makes perfect sense.
Remember, upkeep isn't fair. It's not relative to effectiveness of the class but a simple way to keep down the number of players.
This applies to tincans and cavalry as well. But foremost heavy cavalry. It's not like the plated charger is a good horse. If it was, good cavalry players would use it.

Hmmm...I don't think archers are that effective though.  They are just annoying.  I guess that part is subjective, but I don't see archery as being as effective on the battlefield as 2h or pole characters.

[Lennu]

I'm doing fine with the upkeep when using a longbow, 2x bodkins and a Short Arming Sword.

[Penitent]

I've got Rus bow, 2x bodkins, broad short sword, and monk robe for armor.
26k worth of equipment.  Unless I get a steady 3x (not likely), I am losing money pretty fast. 

[BlueKnight]

Now when archers can use 1h weapons that also got buffed, they will be getting valour more often for the melee part and it will kinda influence their average multi which means it will increase the amount of gold gained.

[Ronin]

Multi is not much dependant upon personal skill. It has it's influence of course, but it's mostly the strong team winning the round.

[Adalwulf]

Now when archers can use 1h weapons that also got buffed, they will be getting valour more often for the melee part and it will kinda influence their average multi which means it will increase the amount of gold gained.

This is another argument for another day. Archers getting valour for fighting in melee? wtf is that, we specialize in archery not melee.If you have never played ana rcher for more then 3 gens you don't know shit about archery and your argument is invalid. The points we get for some of our across the map headshots are retarded. 2-3 points for a headshot across the map just cuz it wan't in close range is retarded. Score system doesn't involve skill it's fuckin cluster fuck battles and spamming melee weapons. Letting archers use better melee weapons own't do shit for our multies or valour.