Great long bardiche: new patch fucked it totally?

[Pentecost]

I'm pretty sure the Great Long Bardiche had 87 speed before the patch as well. Can one of the developers or someone confirm this?

[Teeth]

I am just staring at these stats to see in what way it got fucked. You guys are all smoking something. Look at a trade topic about the Great Long Bardiche from pre patch.

Mighty Great Long Bardiche
Type:Polearm
Requirement:18 strength
Weight:3.9
Slots:2
Upkeep:959 gold
Speed:88
Length:155
Thrust:20 pierce
Swing:49 cut
Bonus against shield
Unbalanced

Quote from 21 october. 49 cut and 88 speed on MW means 46 cut and 87 speed for non loomed. There was no nerf, it is exactly the same as it was before patch.

[Leshma]

It has 20 more reach at best, sometimes less and sometimes difference is marginal.

Still, I agree that GLB should deal more damage. Realism and balance arguments support that claim.

[Kafein]

It has 20 more reach at best, sometimes less and sometimes difference is marginal.

Still, I agree that GLB should deal more damage. Realism and balance arguments support that claim.

You should have duelled Skono more. Everybody needs a little GLB hate.

[sjarken]

Top tier ekspensive polearm that are to weak. Your glb hate can u stuff somewhere else kafein. It is a rly hard wep to duel with. Skono is truly great at it yes, but an average player with an glb is a small threat in these fast spammy days 

[Kafein]

Top tier ekspensive polearm that are to weak. Your glb hate can u stuff somewhere else kafein. It is a rly hard wep to duel with. Skono is truly great at it yes, but an average player with an glb is a small threat in these fast spammy days 

I don't understand how one- or two-shotting everything including horses can be qualified as "weak". This weapon requires no footwork at all. If you are a consistent blocker (like skono) you can kill anybody with it, mostly out of boredom.

[sjarken]

Seriously guys...

This weapon needs an unbalanced tag, no matter the damage. Furthermore, 46 is enough to oneshot many people, even with the bare minimum strength to use the weapon (PS 6). 87 speed is also way too much when you realise the momentum needed to put back that kind of metal-on-top-of-a-long-wooden-pole-thing in a guard position after a swing. It's one of the longest (as in, gayest) 4D weapon in the game. This status should grant it horrible stats.

You got the point here. Big MONSTER polearm with low damadge rly.
As for the speed you will easy take 2 hits be4 landing a strike vs a agi player, blocking, bordome kills. Its a "hard" wep to use dueling.
The low damadge force players to use a str build to use this wep. Not many lives after a 40+ damadge blow from a guy with 33/6 build from any wep. Higer damadge means u can agi up a bit =)
And YES it is gay in all gay ways when playing as all long reach weps are if you are on your backstab/aviod run off the year 

[Kafein]

As for the speed you will easy take 2 hits be4 landing a strike vs a agi player, blocking, bordome kills. Its a "hard" wep to use dueling.

This is just not true. The damage and the nature of polearms makes hitting at the very beginning of the animation, effectively ignoring all the negative effects of low speed rating possible and even easily done. Even if you don't do this to the extreme, there's no way you can get spammed.

[Laufknoten]

You got the point here. Big MONSTER polearm with low damadge rly.

Could you please stop with this "low damage" bullshit? We're talking about 46 cut damage, that's the highest damage of all polearms and only like two 2h weapon do more damage. This weapon is one of the hardest hitting weapons of cRPG so please gtfo with low damage...

[owens]

I don't think it gains speed when loomed.

Not sure just saying.

[Fuma Kotaro]

It gets from +2 to +3 +1 speed
same fore the other bardiches
and in my opinion all bardiches are fine atm

[Piok]

War Cleaver
weapon length: 120
weight: 3.5
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 120
swing damage: 45 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
7,210

Long Bardiche
weapon length: 140
weight: 3.5
difficulty: 17
speed rating: 89
weapon length: 140
thrust damage: 18 pierce
swing damage: 45 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield
6,934

If you compare this two weapon LB is slightly cheaper is balanced and has anti shield. But animation, speed and sweepspots of 2H makes this weird weapon much more better.
Anti shield is good only for making shielder more aggresive but you still need to put 4+ hits on loomed shield which is problem with 90 speed weapon because he could easily attack you even if your attack was already released. Polearm biggest problem is that you often hit or get stuck on peoples object you don't see be it teammate or enemy so in cluster fuck your only option is to spam overhead or stab (we know how good overhead nowadays is).
LB was nerfed many times year and half back I swear it has 90 speed in unloomed var. Recently lost stagger which is not big issue due speed but is only 140 that means no longer rearing horses. 
In short 4directional polearmers have always been outclassed by better 2h sword but after this patch even 2h axes get buffed and outclasses us.
At least we do not look like armored ballerinas or woodchoppers