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General Discussion / Re: Why does we have this slow grind? *CURIOUS*
« on: August 02, 2011, 06:12:13 pm »
If you find this discouraging then you would have never made it before january patch.

Also, you should already quit cRPG, it's a hard game and you will be disapointed.
I'm speaking of personnal skills, not equipment or lvl, it's the hard part, aquiring personnal skill, buy stuff and leveling is nothing...

I understand cRPG is a hard game that rewards personal skill, that is the main reason I enjoy it. I am getting better and feel like I typically have a positive impact on my team when I play. Its a hard game even without having to enter it at a severe stat and gear disadvantage - I dont see the need to compound the inherent difficultly.

Telling me, and people like me, just to quit is a losing proposition for everyone. This game is extremely unfriendly to new players and as time goes on and the overall gear disadvantage for new players grows it is going to become even more unfriendly. It is in everyones best interest to encourage new players to play and to keep playing, otherwise the community will stagnate and the game will with it.

Id be curious to see what the statistics are on what percent of new accounts achieve a level 30+ character. I think that number could be raised by giving new players less of a disadvantage from the get go.

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General Discussion / Re: Why does we have this slow grind? *CURIOUS*
« on: August 02, 2011, 05:27:00 pm »
10 hours is quite small, the time will fly by.

I disagree. I think 10 hours is a very long time to play a not fun version of a game. I normally only average about an hour a day of gaming, so I have to spend a week and a half of my game time playing cannon fodder before I can be anything else. This is very discouraging and if I didnt have friends already playing the game encouraging me I never would have made it 10 hours.

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I disagree. I think 20-29 are far less fun than 1-20. During these levels, you have the pride of being a peasant and making lawlsy kills. If you kill an opponent at level 8, you damn well have earned the right to teabag him to your heart's content.  At 28 or 29? you're just a slightly weaker version of your future self, and the same satisfaction isn't achieved.

If you kill an opponent at level 8 you got lucky and picked off the last 1/10 of his life or are a veteran with heirloom items and lots of money to equip the most optimal gear your stats will allow. If you are masochistic enough to ENJOY the early levels you can just not distribute your skill points and run around naked to your hearts content while letting those who want to be competitive do so.


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You can contribute to your team even if you're a peasant. In sieges you can try to get enemys away from the flag-area and follow you, so your teammates have less work. In battles you can take a pike and backstab good blockers so other people can get a strike in. Even if you just annoy the enemy it helps your team. 

Sure, you can draw enemy archer fire, get melee to chase you since your such a pathetically easy kill to pad their score, and if the stars align just right you can sometimes even poke someone with your pitchfork and mess up someones timing enough to let someone else kill them... OR you could, you know, actually provide a non-gimmick asset to your team and hit shit with a real weapon. One of these is a lot more appealing then the others.

I disagree. It's a mix between the two, grinding and personal skill.

We've seen plenty of STF peasants that still get destroyed.

And we've seen people at level 15 who most would refuse to believe they were level 15, based on the destruction they deal. 

Level is important, but equally so is personal skill.
The level you can become effective depends on your build. A 2 hander is going to be more effective earlier then anything else since you only need STR to beneficent your key skills. 20 is just a number I threw out that I felt afforded all types of characters enough points to be able to have some points in all their key skills and have some level of effectiveness.

I also agree that if you take a highly skilled player at level 15 they are going to smoke a newbie STF character. This is as it should be - but at least the STF character can take a couple of hits before dying. Also bear in mind that the level 15's youve seen be very effective also arent using the same gear as a new level 15. Theyll have heirlooms and other optimal gear bought from their massive piggybank.


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General Discussion / Re: Why does we have this slow grind? *CURIOUS*
« on: August 02, 2011, 06:16:05 am »
I understand  the appeal of progression in a game like this, but I really dont get why you have to start at such a dismal level of effectiveness. Levels 1-20 are just simply not fun. I think the game would be a lot more enjoyable for players new and old if new characters / generations started with the skill and attribute points of what is currently level 20 and enough money to load out with light armor and a weapon of choice. Then they could progress the last 11 levels before being able to retire. Make it the same amount of XP to move from 20 to 31 as it does to move from 1 to 31, but let players start out with enough points and money to make a character that can be at least somewhat effective in battle from the get go. You could limit first generation players from using the marketplace until hitting a certain level to prevent abuse.

I have to believe that a huge number of possible additions to this community have been run off upon realizing they had to spend 10 hours in game getting slaughtered before they could even hope to contribute to their team.

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Diplomacy / Re: LLJK vs (Shogunate)Jamiche
« on: August 02, 2011, 04:23:00 am »
A good fight lljk lost fair and square.

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Strategus General Discussion / Re: Shogunate Battle Footage
« on: July 30, 2011, 03:45:43 pm »
Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance flag without fighting.
Sun Tzu

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Strategus General Discussion / Re: Selling LLJK Secrets!
« on: July 25, 2011, 03:18:45 pm »
Troop numbers, equipment, gold movements.  Private phone numbers of GaGa, Smoothrich, Phantom_Zero (also Neumonic, but no one gives a shit about him.)  Just about everyone's facebook info.  Teamspeak recordings of anything you want to hear.  The newly budding alliance we have with certain other clans. 

Whatever you want I got wholesale.  I also have plenty of naked pictures of some of our more embarrassing members.

Also GaGa's newest password to the highest bidder, probably useable for a short time after this post before he changes it.

Do you have the recording of us singing? I want to hear my dainty songbird voice.

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