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General Discussion / Re: Fix List v210

« on: January 15, 2011, 09:11:28 am »

Mail armor is decent armor, plate is plate and can't be considered decent because archers need more than 6 shots in my body to kill me when I'm wearing heraldic plate (once in 20 rounds). If you consider Heraldic plate or even Churburg being 'decent' and Milanese very good, putting Black Armor on top then you're as clueless as it gets. Read forums a bit, you'll learn something useful about this game. I know I did.

I have a Coat of plates (which is mail). Good archers kills me in few arrows. I have nothing against this. Still, it's silly to delete a part of the game in my opinion instead of fixing it. Read my post. Fixing arrows pierce through armor to be able to kill plated guys a tad more effectivly is way more wise than just deleting heavy armors from the game like it is right now. If an archer can't kill a plated guys without less than 6 arrows, archery is the problem, not the plate. At melee range, plate is ok.
The fact is, right now, some builds are kinda disapearing. Way less hammer than before (1H or 2H), way less pierce 1H (poleaxes are still used because of the range, pretty effective against light ppl too.)etc.

Also, I remember you. You were that guy whining how casual should get the same right slightly after the 'big' patch got released. Now when you had bought plate, you want it to be usable like pre patch when you had peasant clothes and nothing more. Well, good luck with that.

You're wrong. I already have my full gear for ages now. I just played for 1Month+ very casually, 1 or 2h per day somehow. I had my full set really fast tbh. So it's kinda not the point here. I won't change for plate at all tbh, I don't like it. I'm already really happy with my coat of plates, which is a tad heavier than I would like already tbh.
And also, I never asked to get the same rights. I was just noticiing to the admins how awful this patch were, for casual players who aren't really reading forum and who just wants to play for fun. READ.
Btw, I didn't buy A SINGLE GEAR PART after this patch.

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General Discussion / Re: Fix List v210

« on: January 14, 2011, 03:08:03 am »

I don't like the new patch. I think it's killing some game builds & mechanics.

- Not allowing ppl to get decent armor makes ppl dropping heavy to go light builds. For me, Light & Heavy are balanced. You're just destroying a part of the game. (My armor is average in game, always has been, and will always be) Heavy platers was ridiculous, I agree, but the rest was okey.
The philosophy "Getting light gear to get more money to get more gear" is just silly in my opinion. Most of ppl will just get light gear or stop the game, but maybe it's the point of this patch. If it is, I don't really get it. Never had trouble to kill slowish plated guys before the patch as soon as you can do some decent damages (level 20-25+). Now it's basically :
1/ You play light and you get tons of gold.
2/ You play average and you pray for your team not being too dumb
3/ You play heavy, and naked, alternativly. 10 rounds of armor, 10 rounds naked leeching around, trying to kill swinging your flamberge around.
4/ You play like a whimp, get a bow/xbow/massthrowing weap and kills everyone, because everyone wears light armors now (I play as a 1h/thrower build... And Trust me, these heavy throwing axes are just stupid with only 4 power throw.)
Here are the options.


- The repairs are really random. You can be broken after very few rounds, if you're unlucky. (Repairs + Losing cuz of a fail team.) In that case you don't really feel like playing anymore. At the moment, I have no money, I need to repair half of my light/average gear. I don't feel like grinding the gold I need to play with a decent (not a heavy) gear.

- This patch is also getting ppl way less involved into fights. A lot of people are just wandering around. Maybe some rewards for killing stuff or capturing flags or whatsoever could be a nice add instead of just feeding everyone with the same huge amount of money (I know you don't want crpg to be a grind game, still.)

- I used to have more fun before the patch. I used to have a lot of enjoyement when my char was evolving a tad everyday. Now it's just "Oh yeah ? 20k ? Let's leech 2h being naked, and that's it.". I though that was a decent idea, but then... I'm kinda deceived right now. Especially because getting high cost gears is not really allowed anymore.

- How could I be happy ? I used to have 3 heilroom, now I lost most of them. I spent hours being frustrated at low level, not able to kill anyone whatsoever. For nothing. How can you guys can be happy ? I know some ppl were abusing of the old system. Still it's kinda not the fault of players, and not a reason to nerf everyone on the way. (We could say the same thing about the -10 level after the patch, but well.)

- The first levels are still annoying as hell. I start having fun after level 25 only. Before this it's just... running naked, farming money to try to enjoy level 25+ to level 31, then rebirth, and go for grind again.

For me, it's still a pure grind game. You just retrieved some game options on the way, and gave the right to ppl to just leech some gold without doing anything whatsoever for his team.

About the ingame balance, I don't really know, it's impossible to try out and make an objective opinion of all weapons & stuff with so few time.
I play as a 1H + shield + Throwing weap. 1H + Shield is ok for me, whatever the enemy.
Throwing weap are REALLY effective.
2H are everywhere now. Looks like everyone threw away their polearms to go for 2H. I have no problem with this, but maybe it's a sign.
Polearms are.. Wait, polearms ? Where ? Maybe they are to expensive to be used ? Cuz I really barely see them.
Bows are.. No clue, I'm shielder. They're all the same for me. They just shoot & run like they always use to do.
Xbows are annoying. Especially when they shoot you in your shield and you still lose 50% of your hp, even if the bolt goes in your shield. Still, nothing to really abuse here, they're still slow as hell and counterable with some throwing weap.
Throwing weaps are really good. Especially since you nerfed everyone's gear. Heavy throwing axes are not hard to get as hybrid, and can kill nearly everyone with 1-2 shots just because 80% of ppl are light now.

Anyway it's just my opinion.


- FunnyDream

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General Discussion / Re: Casual Players. Help/Support them please. They are part of the game.

« on: January 07, 2011, 02:38:38 pm »

System couldn't simpler. You get exp and gold per minute, and that's all.

There's a multiplier.
Just got how it works. You win = +1 multiplier. You lose = Multiplier back to 1.
Means it favorises a lot unbanlanced team, which is also weird to me.

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General Discussion / Re: Casual Players. Help/Support them please. They are part of the game.

« on: January 07, 2011, 02:22:13 pm »

@Ishar.
The problem is not about it. "Grinders" get higher gears, more stuff, more stats, plate armor. They can kill peasants & Casual players easily (sometimes). I have no prob with this. They kinda deserve it because they worked for it.
I still think it was ok before the patch. But anyway, not my choice and it doesn't really matter.

@Vicious.
I like your intervention, but please do not flame on this thread. You don't need to be so mean with ppl around.


Just tried the mod...
Siege looks bugged.
EXP/Gold system looks a tad weird. Didn't get the gold/exp system yet. I'll look for some info I guess :/ Pretty sad to have to.
I also don't get the "Wear less gear to get more gold to wear more gear" system. I think it's a bit silly. Or at least weird.
Most of ppl are like "I don't care Yo, I can pay the bill yoyo!". It still sounds silly to me considering we all play specific builds with specific gears. (And yeah, more gear is usually synonym of more powerful build and more farm.. so what ? It's normal.)
Now it just makes heavy build less confortable than light build. Which is weird. Balancing Heavy armors with light armors would have been a way better way to fix this problem. (For me, it was already balanced before the patch.. but anyway.)


- FunnyDream


EDIT: Ok, I got the multiplier system. The more you win (streaks), the more you get gold. Kinda giving some huge advantages to unbalanced teams. Which is weird.

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General Discussion / Re: Casual Players. Help/Support them please. They are part of the game.

« on: January 07, 2011, 12:38:33 pm »

We try to hate everyone equally.

I lol'd.

Still, the way you introduced these changes is weird.
Downloading this "new" mod atm. Gonna try it in some minutes. I guess I should be happy not to be level 40.

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General Discussion / Casual Players. Help/Support them please. They are part of the game.

« on: January 07, 2011, 12:03:15 pm »

Do you hate them ?



Hello everyone.

First of all, I wish to apologize about my english, which isn't great. I'm from France.
I'm not really here to whine, to complain or so. I'm just gonna give my impressions about the patch as a complete random/casual crpg player you may never have seen in game. Here starts the story.


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Yesterday, I receive some messages from my friends (also casual players), saying their character page is not showing, or talking about a "rollback" or whatever you can imagine. Let's resume the reaction "lolwtf ?".




So, First, I went to check my precious character. I noticed the loss of many things I worked for. Without any info anywhere except for a random link "blabla update.zip" in the main page which isn't explaining anything. I also notice a nice load of topic creation on the forum, which is really helping me to get any decent info about the new patch (Trying to dodge the CAPS WHINNERS, the LoLTrollers, the "idontlikeitiQQileaveiwantmyitemsbackiamanidiotwhoisoverreactingtoasimplepatch" topics.).
Do you think it's Normal to have to seek info everywhere about something like that ? I don't think so. I know the admins are not professionnals or so. I know most of the players are "hooked" by the game, considering how many time they spent to upgrade their char. But can you imagine the impact it can have on random casual players that doesn't feel like spending hours (or minutes ?) discussing on a forum, that just wanted to play casually, connecting sometimes, having fun with what their goodies ? Maybe you couldn't care less, but it would be mean to think like that for some obvious reasons. (Do I really need to explain why ?)



Anyway. I tried to go through this patch. After loosing 10 precious level I farmed some days ago (was level 20, rollback to level 9. It was 11 level of pure frustration, getting killed by tincans being a peasant. Anyway, it's ok. Shit Happens.). I looked for some info on the forum. It's pretty hard to find anything consistant, except for the lol"Areyouagreewiththebugguedweirdpatch" sondage from chadz, which doesn't even give a decent changelog. No offense here, but I think it's silly. I feel like you try to give some pills to a cat (I'm the cat if you didn't get the comparaison.). It MAY probably not happen. I also noticed a bunch of "haha tincans are owned!" and a LOAD of "oh noes I can't pay my bill I'm screwed, back to peasant!", followed by some trolls "haha die in hell! Ex-TinCan".
I nearly felt afraid to try out my old gear (which isn't even a tin can, it's a mail outfit), just because of the bill (it may be the point of the patch).
But simply.. I don't get it. I played this game casually, never had troubles with tin cans or so. Yeah, Tin Cans are harder to kill (Wow that's WEIIIIRD §§§, or not ? Well not really, get a blunt and that's it ?) I felt like the game was balanced before, but could need some small adjustments, not really about overrated tin cans (Blunt/Pierce them FFS). I think the way this patch has been introduced may look like you're trying to bone hard some ppl. Especially the "Over the Roof" players.
These players are usually cool, calm, playing all day long, are super high level and kills everyone which is not near their levels... So what ? They played for it. I think it's normal. And, they were still 3 hits with my casual warhammer. Some randoms peasants/LowGeared(/Trollers ?) ppl are frustrated not to be able to kill them ? Now they're just laughing at them. I personnally don't think it's "normal".
Do you think it's normal to nerf tin cans that are easily beatable ? (I'm casual and I still think they're not so hard.)
Do you think it's normal to nerf "overtheroof" players ? I kinda think they didn't deserve it. Too bad for players that didn't play as nearly as those players.

Then, I noticed some changes on items. To be honest, changing some items is great. This game needed to be clear on the shop page. Now it is a bit more readable. I noticed some changes on my heilroomed items. I felt boned a little bit. My Scary Warhammer transformed into a balanced Warhammer. (Balanced used to be only 1 heilroom when Scary used to be 2 heilroom right ?) I'm not against changes. Still, once more, I feel boned. This item was my only reason for playing such frustrative levels (1 to 20) where you can't kill anyone decently geared. Now I have to redo these levels (9 to 20) to get an item I didn't really expected to have (and don't really want as much as I wanted my old item). It's no big deal (To be honest, for me, it is.). Still, I'm getting just a lil' frustrated here.

Also, I noticed a good load of bugs coming with the patch. Connexion bugs, installation tutorial ? Nowhere. They just threw us a random zip link with no info. I feel a lil' bit disapointed. Installing a patch is not hard (desinstall old mod/Put the new one), still, there's better ways to introduce it than just throwing it randomly everywhere until ppl finds it.

Finally, I also noticed some "last minute changes" about this patch. Admins don't even look confident about it. Why should I feel confident about it ? Changes about WPF ? How ? Erm...
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As a total casual player (again), I don't think this patch has been introduced correctly. It sounds like :

Lack of communication from admins.
Lack of testing (Last second changes are not the way to do it. Even if you're not pro, and an human-being able to make mistakes.)
Lack of comprehension from admins about ppl that doesn't really want to spend hours looking for info.
Lack of moderation from admins on their own forum (Damn, so many trolls. I feel like I went back to exteel forums flame out there.)
And a lot of frustration. (About levels, not being informed, heilroomed item we played for, etc.)





In any case, I don't even feel like playing this mod anymore. My friends too. Maybe you don't care, I do. And I think some ppl may be in the same case. It's not "olol he lost his OP character, now he's whining". I was having a level 20 1Hander. I just :

Feel disapointed.
Feel boned a lil' bit.
Feel not confident, about admins, about this patch. (If they can change our well-deserved heilroom items, and rollback our char, + put some lolmaintenance on your armor, they can do worse.).


To be honest, after reading some posts, I didn't even try to play this mod anymore. (Back at level 9 peasant, it's not even worth it anyway lol).
Especially because I was afraid of doing something wrong with my char like getting some huge bills for no reasons, investing point in items/stats not worth it anymore because of the changes (Changelog ?)


Ok, I would like a tons of things to do, but this post is already really long, my english is just teribad. Here are my impressions.

Please give us some love. We are Casual, but we deserve it (at least a bit ?).



- FunnyDream