1 Handers:
Thanks to the nerf on armour and the throwing plague these guys are making a comeback. I suspect there will be a new breed of sword and shield high agility guys coming along very shortly. They should do very very well in the new Crpg.
I would recommend that people try a lightly armoured agility build with no IF and converted skills into agility and wpf.
Sometimes I like to sit back and look at something and figure out what makes it tick and where will it go in the future. These are my thoughts about Crpg, please share yours below:
Goodbye Strength Builds:
Strength builds have never been popular and after the patch they will become even less popular. Now days there is really no point in building a str char, unless you are a die hard fan. Strength characters reach their full potential in heavy armour and equipped with a good chunk of Iron Flesh. Post patch heavy armour is expansive to maintain, so str players will be forced to cycle between light money making gear and heavy expensive money burning armour that makes high str builds so fun to play. Therefore the str build will only be at its full potential only part of the time. Furthermore the soft cap of 30 means that high str chars have to sacrifice a large number of wpf points in exchange for a few iron flesh skills that are only truly useful when wearing heavy armour. So for these reasons sadly I suspect that str builds will become extinct.
For hard core fans of this build, make a 2 hander and grab a barmace or maul, you will do well with those.
Hello Agility Builds:
I can definitely see this build become the dominate build in Crpg. High agility builds do not need heavy armour to be at their full potential. In fact heavy armour might just gimp the build. All a good high agility build needs is some light armour and a good spamming sword, (Katana's work great for this, I was also able to use the Side sword and no shield, Glaive or Long Hafted Spiked Mace works nice for polearms). A cheap on the upkeep build that will easily make money and is at full potential at all times. Best build for people good at blocking.
Balance Builds:
Should do okay in the post patch era, but not as well as the High Agility guys.
Archery:
One of the alts that I have is an archer. From my experience Archery is in a good place right now, maybe even a tad stronger then it should be. Its a nice build to make money with. The only thing that is seriously out of whack is the longbow, its so slow it has become almost unusable.
Throwers:
Everyone and their pet monkey now throws, thanks to the lack of heavy armour in the game throwing has taken a new life in Crpg and in some ways has replaced Archery as the dominate range form of combat. Very good build for newbs to try.
2 Handers:
Still the best.
Polearms:
The red headed step child of 2 handers. These guys need some love. Polearms could really use a shorter crush through weapon that is on par with damage and speed to the ridiculously overpowered bar mace.
1 Handers:
Thanks to the nerf on armour and the throwing plague these guys are making a comeback. I suspect there will be a new breed of sword and shield high agility guys coming along very shortly. They should do very very well in the new Crpg.
I would recommend that people try a lightly armoured agility build with no IF and converted skills into agility and wpf.
Calvary:
Hate cav, really really hate cav. Its good that most heavy Cav is gone, but I assume they are simply collecting money now to come back and piss everyone else off in the near future.
HA
Hate Ha, really really hate HA. I have an HA and playing one now is basically like playing a cav lancer but with a bow and a reticule that can fit a small house. But HA still works well against other cav.
THE SPAM
The Spam is now reaching truly legendary proportions thanks to a nerf on armour. Before the patch spam was still practiced but you knew that it would take more then 2 hits to put the average opponent away so you had to think and fight, block and move. Not any more, thanks to the low level of armour in the game the spam is king. Now days most people are put down with 1 or 2 hits, since the average opponent can be put down so quickly why waste time fighting him at all, just spam his ass down and move on.
Post your thoughts, let me know what you think:
How about an archer that has about 80 wpf in 2hander and 6 PS? Kind of a hybridSounds like a gimped character that is bad in archery and not nearly as fast with a 2H as they should be.
Is this a joke? With power strike, and everyone in less armor, high strength builds are able to one-shot a majority of players in the game through a block. Since you can't wear heavy armor all the time, the only good counters are high iron flesh and high strength. And because strength and PS builds give a huge boost to damage, you can afford to use a cheapo-depot weapon and put the rest of your money into great armor. Not only that, each point of Power Strike and Strength give you a solid damage boost, while each point in agi boosts speed, each point of Weapon Master has diminishing returns, and if you're getting blocked, switch to something with crushthrough and never get blocked again. Strength beats agility COLD right now.
So you spam, because you know you can't kill in one hit through a block like a strength character can. It takes you longer to kill someone, you're worse at fighting more then one guy, and what do you get for it? Rapid attacks? But only slightly more rapid then the balanced guy because of the diminishing returns on WPF? And you lose ranks in PS?
Should do better. The WPF you gain by getting an extra 3 ranks in weapon master in an agi build amounts to very little extra spammage and A LOT of damage lost by losing 2 power strike you would get in a balanced build.
Sweet argument to back up your points. Oh wait there are no points nor is their an argument.
Oh so polearms, which already have fantastic advantages in range, useability (use with a shield and still use the polearm skill, or use a lance on a horse) and you want the one thing that two-handers has over polearms as well? Three ways to play with one weapon skill wasn't enough for you? You want FOUR?
Im doing that right now and it's ass. You have no weapon verity at all. Everything is the same the only thing that changes is damage type or perhaps a tiny knockdown chance. Even with 21 agi and full Weapon Master I can't block an attack and land a hit before they block. Why? Shields are too slow. Even with 7 shields I can't have a shield that wont break in 2 hits and still be able to counter-attack. These guys need help. Shields need to be lighter and faster, so spamming a shield user actually has some risk.
Heavy cav are gone? I see Plated Charges every other game.
What game are you playing? Spam is much less now due to the WPF cap.
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True you can kill most people with 1 shot. But even with extra IF you will get taken out in 2 or 3 by a high agility guy because you are also wearing less armour.
The power of a str build is in mass clusterfucks where you maul or mace puny peasants into the ground. One on one against an equal opponent with equal gear, the agi char would most likely win.
I totally agree with you, battle and chaos and clusterfucks are what str builds are best for. The ability to kill quickly and taking tons of punishment is what str builds are amazing at. The more confusing the battle the better for the str build.
Unfortunately 1/2 of the kill quick and ability of taking tons of punishment formula is gimped. To take tons of punishment you need heavy armour and right now heavy armour is so expensive to use, you can only use if for a small amount of time before going broke. That is why I feel str builds will be very uncommon in the future.
Which is sad cause I loved and was good at fighting in clusterfucks and I miss by ugly ass heirloomed black armour. :cry:
Sounds like a gimped character that is bad in archery and not nearly as fast with a 2H as they should be.
Your post so awful. This is the best part.
Dying in one hit versus not dying in one hit. It's huge. And why can't you wear heavy armor? Im really confused man. Really confused. One build lets you kill in one hit and die in 2 or 3, the other, die in one and kill in 2 or 3? You take the latter? The hell is wrong with you?
Dying in one hit versus not dying in one hit. It's huge. And why can't you wear heavy armor? Im really confused man. Really confused. One build lets you kill in one hit and die in 2 or 3, the other, die in one and kill in 2 or 3? You take the latter? The hell is wrong with you?
I really loved my str build character but its not the best build for the post patch world. High agility guys are at the full capacity all the time, high str guys are only at full capacity of their build when they wear armour, the heavier the better. Heavy armour is expensive you can only wear it for short periods.
But you're wrong!
Druzhina Lamellar Armor is MORE then enough body armor, and it's only 12k! Transitional Armor is great as well, 53 body in fact, and it's still under 20k! You can wear this stuff ALL the time and still make money. Just because you can't be in Black Armor all the time doesn't mean heavy armor is worthless. I don't know why you keep saying it's too expensive. It's not!
Meh. A bit more or a bit less wpf, matters little. As for archery, you can score hits - not as many times as archers with high wpf - with a str build which probably has 0 effective wpf after nerf due to PD and armour. And those shots still hurt, etc. I actually like my melee/archery hybrid with 7 PS & PD and 79 polearm / 119 archery wpf. It's good enough to hit targets at mid-range (and suppress other archers at longer ranges, although precise shooting at really long distances is hard) and strong enough in melee, as well (despite being still a bit slow, but meh 13 agi).I would really like to see a video of a 7 PD, 0 effective wpf archer to see how small the reticule gets and how long you can hold it. I can't imagine it.
I tried going with Cuir Bouilli over Mail, 10 k my bec 7k, my Barbutte 2.3 k and leather gloves and shoes and ended up losing cash. :cry:
Strength Builds:
unless you are a die hard fan.
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1 Handers:
I tried a strength build after the patch reset and I just cannot work with it.
I have PS 8 and IF 6 with 24 strength. I was going to go higher strength but I felt so damn slow, I started to pump agility. I still get one shotted by some people and 2 shotted by throwers. I also definteily rarely one-shot anyone. Usually only those overhead shots can one shot anyone. Some polearmers can still one shot me with a left/right swing. The problem I have is that once I miss, I am dead. I feel so slow that any polearmer still swings faster than me and 1H just stun locks me to death.
I know some people have success with this but I just cannot make it work for me. It feels like everyone has super high agility against me. The higher hitpoints isn't that much higher and the possibility of a one-shot not that much greater, to lose agility.
Maybe if you go 30 str but I don't think I could take being that slow.
Heirloom an xbow, you'll be suprised :wink:
Tho, I hope they are gonna fix that.
light crossbow heirloom +1 modif gain like 12-15 pierce ( working as intended ? ) obviously a huge huge damage increase
You can upkeep over 30 - 40k gear and still make money. Gothic plate is 25k. You can wear plate every round if you don't go overboard on other stuff. I think STR builds are more effective post patch because agi builds kinda cap out and people with agi builds don't hit as hard as they did pre patch.
Haven't read the rest of the replies (probably all worthless), but great post by Formless, clearly this guy knows what his talking about.Yeah, let's nerf every weapon if someone is good in using it.
And good point about the bar mace, one player in our server DESTROYS everyone with his Unblockable bar mace. Crushes through huscarl shields with ease. How that thing escaped a nerf is beyond me.
Good remaining points. Throwers are a plague now. Archers are just mildy annoying as always. Cav have disappeared, too expensive. Except for Palfrey and Rouncey.
Also 25 agi katana builds are a plague now also. I don't even try to fight them without a shield. They swing faster than I can click.
I am a hybrid polearm / 1h+shield build and I die a lot more often with less kills when I take out the german poleaxe instead of the 1h + shield. I am a decent manual blocker before someone makes a smartass comment.