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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 06:00:08 pm

Title: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 06:00:08 pm
Apparently someone in LLJK came onto my servers recently and banned random players.

Until LLJK comes forward to provide the name of the person who gave the admin password. All LLJK members will be banned on my servers. They have their own server to play on, and others as well.

For those of you who wonder how I'm allowed to do this. The dev team told me that this is an internal matter and i can handle it how i wish. I'm not gonna spend my time figuring out which lljk were involved and which weren't. That's their problem.

If you are one of the lljk who had nothing to do with this. You can thank those who did.

Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 06:55:00 pm
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The spoiler shows the last post I made. I said LLJK would be unbanned if they provided the name or names of the person who leaked the password.

Apparently Philosiraptor_PxC was able, some months ago, to listen in to an inactive admin named Bothersome_Aldryk hint the admin password. Philosiraptor saved the password for later.

Recently, in company of LLJK_Zealot, Philosiraptor made the "mistake" of doing a copy paste error of the password. Zealot used the password to ban public players.

Admin passwords have been changed.

Aldryk has lost admin, even if he returns.

Philosiraptor will be banned for one week for being an idiot.

Zealot will be banned permanently.

Rob the rad also banned permanently for posting a screen shot of the admin password on the forums.

Thank you LLJK_Smoothrich and others who helped me solve this leak as quickly as possible. I appolgize for doing a mass ban, but nothing motivates people faster.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Diomedes on June 21, 2011, 06:57:46 pm
Good.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: hellowrold on June 21, 2011, 06:58:08 pm
bundle of sticks
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 06:59:00 pm
bundle of sticks

added to the ban list.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: LLJK_Fellblade on June 21, 2011, 07:06:43 pm
My last comment on the topic is to say that I think this was handled extremely poorly in the fashion of "I'd rather see 100 people killed than 1 guilty man get off".

That said, now we can move on and get on with playing crpg.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 21, 2011, 07:07:34 pm
My last comment on the topic is to say that I think this was handled extremely poorly in the fashion of "I'd rather see 100 people killed than 1 guilty man get off".

That said, now we can move on and get on with playing crpg.

It was a temporary lockdown, not permanent.

Relax...
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Damug on June 21, 2011, 07:09:22 pm
bundle of sticks
Goons are the worst.


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Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: [ptx] on June 21, 2011, 07:09:42 pm
My last comment on the topic is to say that I think this was handled extremely poorly in the fashion of "I'd rather see 100 people killed than 1 guilty man get off".

That said, now we can move on and get on with playing crpg.

added to the ban list.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Nindur on June 21, 2011, 07:14:50 pm
This is a bi-winning thread!


No....you know what...this is a TRI-Winning Post! ATS servers got fucked up, some LLJK got banned, and Ecko got called a bundle of sticks,  today is a good day!!
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 07:15:47 pm
This is a bi-winning thread!


No....you know what...this is a TRI-Winning Post! ATS servers got fucked up, some LLJK got banned, and Ecko got called a bundle of sticks,  today is a good day!!

banned....joking.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Nindur on June 21, 2011, 07:17:12 pm
Good.

added to the ban list
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: LLJK_Korea1 on June 21, 2011, 07:24:36 pm
I, for one, support mass bannings


I also think that einstein was a handsome man
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Tristan on June 21, 2011, 07:28:00 pm
added to the ban list. [Becuase of an F****t word!]

Lol, you ban people for this? Seriously? I have never seen anything so prude.

Grow up!
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 21, 2011, 07:30:34 pm
Lol, you ban people for this? Seriously? I have never seen anything so prude.

Grow up!

Ban this guy plz
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 07:31:49 pm
Lol, you ban people for this? Seriously? I have never seen anything so prude.

Grow up!

One instance no...continuous yes. Research your comments before you argue one should run a server. I believe nuffen in guard has banned for less. 
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Nindur on June 21, 2011, 07:32:32 pm
Lol, you ban people for this? Seriously? I have never seen anything so prude.

Grow up!


**EDITED BY ECKO****
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Miley on June 21, 2011, 07:35:19 pm
added to the ban list.

If you know you're not gay, why let it bother you : P It's like calling a white person a "you know what."
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Paul on June 21, 2011, 07:36:34 pm
This incident moved our hands a bit closer to red NA blanket ban button.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 21, 2011, 07:38:40 pm
This incident moved our hands a bit closer to red NA blanket ban button.

I wonder how much trouble I will get into if I crack a joke about the Goons having a new target to shut down...

Too soon?
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 07:39:34 pm
what confuses me is:

chadz, no offense, did this very thing to NA with the last patch. 250 Players were banned for a possible exploit that only a few did. They too were unbanned once the issue was resolved. Troll him for giving me the idea, not me for following the example  :lol:
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Paul on June 21, 2011, 07:40:52 pm
I was joking...
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 21, 2011, 07:42:16 pm
what confuses me is:

chadz, no offense, did this very thing to NA with the last patch. 250 Players were banned for a possible exploit that only a few did. They too were unbanned once the issue was resolved. Troll him for giving me the idea, not me for following the example  :lol:

NA is the redheaded stepchild of cRPG and always has been. EU can do no wrong!
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EDIT:
I was joking...
So were we...
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 07:42:21 pm
I was joking...

banned.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Bjarky on June 21, 2011, 07:44:48 pm
One instance no...continuous yes. Research your comments before you argue one should run a server. I believe nuffen in guard has banned for less.
he would never  :D
for those who got banned, better start writing a 5k page romantic novel  8-)
especially this guy:
I was joking...
i mean, how dare he?! ^^
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Tristan on June 21, 2011, 07:59:41 pm
Hmm What I mean is:

Because someone is rude on the forum and disagrees is that worthy of an Ingame ban if nothing bad goes on there?

If banned because of breaking the rules ON THE SERVER I get it. But banning because of statements on the forum is just a way to escalate personal battles and has nothing to do with how people plays on a server.

That is why I find it prude to react to such a comment. That the guy making those infantile comments has a brainsize comparable with a goldfish to write such things is not the same as an in-game ban.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: robtherad on June 21, 2011, 08:03:27 pm
If you want to permaban me for a post, it's your server. v0v
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 08:18:15 pm
If you want to permaban me for a post, it's your server. v0v

You might or might not be perma banned for posting a screenshot of the admin password...not just posting. I'm still debating.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: ManOfWar on June 21, 2011, 08:25:20 pm
This incident moved our hands a bit closer to red NA blanket ban button.

"later that evening the EU servers began streaming live hardcore porn audio into the battle serves"
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Snatch on June 21, 2011, 08:28:14 pm
Ecko, you ought to ban anyone you find compromising your servers fun factor. However, do not permaban players from the duel or strategus servers. In my opinion those are truly public servers being provided by ATS so NA players and clan can participate in Strategus. If you ban people from Strategus because of what happens on your privately run servers, it is unjust and abuse of power. Personally, I think strategus servers should only be hosted by chadz.

EDIT: If NA strategus server has to be disconnected to have this, then so be it.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Earthdforce on June 21, 2011, 08:30:10 pm
Personally, I think strategus servers should only be hosted by chadz.
That'd be nice, as long as it was on our side of the ocean..
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ylca on June 21, 2011, 08:32:07 pm
Do you honestly believe anyone "accidentally" copies and pastes a password?

A server compromised, the LLJK member gets banned for all time, the other guy gets off with "accidental" and a week vacation. Being firm is fine, but only when evenly and neutrally applied.

Not that my opinion matters of course, your servers- you do what you want. Just saying that if you're trying to be the neutral judge you should rule neutrally. In another case where someone handed out access to a destructive actor they too would get a severe punishment rather than a laughable slap on the wrist.

Sends a pretty clear message though. "As long as you get someone else to compromise our servers, you will be back to murdering peasants within the week."

e: Also i somehow think if chadz wanted to run servers, he could have had dozens already and people rushing to hand him the money to do so. This thread should be indicator enough why people aren't exactly thrilled with the idea of administration.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 21, 2011, 08:34:03 pm
Ecko, you ought to ban anyone you find compromising your servers fun factor. However, do not permaban players from the duel or strategus servers. In my opinion those are truly public servers being provided by ATS so NA players and clan can participate in Strategus. If you ban people from Strategus because of what happens on your privately run servers, it is unjust and abuse of power. Personally, I think strategus servers should only be hosted by chadz.

When strategus comes out, just like the last time it was out. Bans on that server will be revised with the admin password and well as the admin list.

As for someone who breaks security, anyone i catch is lucky i don't go to any other servers to try and lobby to get them banned. Banning public players to troll will never be ok. People have lost their admin for it from me at least.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Astinus on June 21, 2011, 08:34:26 pm
This incident moved our hands a bit closer to red NA blanket ban button.
do it for the sake of a strategus free from ping nightmare!
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: bigamous_bad_wolf on June 21, 2011, 08:38:15 pm
Should keep those morons banned indefinitely.  They TK and TH anytime people don't "respect" them.  I have no idea why so many of them like to pretend they are admins.  Aside from the morons in Ninja I've never had a good experience with LLJK members, they just shit on everyone and hurt their (non-clan) team mates.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Snatch on June 21, 2011, 08:41:28 pm
When strategus comes out, just like the last time it was out. Bans on that server will be revised with the admin password and well as the admin list.

As for someone who breaks security, anyone i catch is lucky i don't go to any other servers to try and lobby to get them banned. Banning public players for lawls will never be ok.

Not to be dick here, but I been in several NA strategus fights where Admins would ban players for accidentally ladderpaulting, breaking a ladder some one was on by mistake, being afk little too long, having - 3 kills from falling off battlements, and along with the server being reset at a key moment of a certain clan losing a certain fight. Then restart the fight with huge victory, because the defenders left. If you want admins that are fair, then you gonna need a 3rd party admin running your strategus servers. But since we can't get that, then everyone that hosting a server should have access to hosting their own strategus battle servers. OR have only chadz host them.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Jarlek on June 21, 2011, 08:45:20 pm
Ecko, you ought to ban anyone you find compromising your servers fun factor. However, do not permaban players from the duel or strategus servers. In my opinion those are truly public servers being provided by ATS so NA players and clan can participate in Strategus. If you ban people from Strategus because of what happens on your privately run servers, it is unjust and abuse of power. Personally, I think strategus servers should only be hosted by chadz.

EDIT: If NA strategus server has to be disconnected to have this, then so be it.
I'm not gonna say anything except hats of to you. Sorry for interrupting this thread.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on June 21, 2011, 08:58:38 pm
Interesting. An entire clan gets banned. Turns out it was someone in a different clan that leaked the info. Another guy in LLJK who also "leaked" the info with a screenshot is permabanned.  The guy who caused all the ruckus is also permabanned(deservedly). But the guy in the other clan who initiated the whole mess gets a week vacation. And the other guy, also not in LLJK, just loses admin priviledges.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Christo on June 21, 2011, 09:02:04 pm
Someone lower the speed of the BanHammer, this is getting out of control.

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Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Earthdforce on June 21, 2011, 09:03:00 pm
It's Ecko's server, doesn't that mean he can (within reason) do what he wants? This is reasonable imo.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Gildiss on June 21, 2011, 09:06:32 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Snatch on June 21, 2011, 09:06:57 pm
Whatever Ecko's action, it doesn't change how LLJK operates our servers. We welcome players to them and won't ban on clan tags. JUST SAYIN BRO
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Voodoox on June 21, 2011, 09:07:10 pm
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It's Ecko's server, doesn't that mean he can (within reason) do what he wants? This is reasonable imo.

+10 he pays for it he rules it if u wanna rule it pay for it
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Earthdforce on June 21, 2011, 09:08:50 pm
Whatever Ecko's action, it doesn't change how LLJK operates our servers. We welcome players to them and won't ban on clan tags. JUST SAYIN BRO
You also have trolls run crazy, and no one will ban them BECAUSE of their clan tag.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: LLJK_Goatee on June 21, 2011, 09:09:05 pm
As LLJK diplomat I have voiced out the Clans statigous unban requests right  :arrow:  Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2en3c2lTRM&feature=player_detailpage#t=16s/)
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Kung Fu Jesus on June 21, 2011, 09:11:34 pm
+10 he pays for it he rules it if u wanna rule it pay for it

I agree its his server to do with as he pleases. I just like to point out his hypocrisy and poor choices.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: LLJK_Fellblade on June 21, 2011, 09:13:39 pm
You also have trolls run crazy, and no one will ban them BECAUSE of their clan tag.

I will ban everybody without prejudice.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Earthdforce on June 21, 2011, 09:16:03 pm
I will ban everybody without prejudice.
Out of all the people banned so far on the LLJK server (if any) are there any LLJK members?
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Anal Bleeding on June 21, 2011, 09:19:07 pm
Can I be unbanned for using consstruction sites on siege, it was several months ago.
TKdude.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Earthdforce on June 21, 2011, 09:20:16 pm
Can I be unbanned for using consstruction sites on siege, it was several months ago.
TKdude.
Post in the relevant forum.. here. (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,35.0.html)
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: LLJK_Fellblade on June 21, 2011, 09:22:04 pm
Out of all the people banned so far on the LLJK server (if any) are there any LLJK members?

I don't think there are any permanent bans at all, people generally learn after a few temps. LLJK_Goatee was banned for like a week before, the aforementioned LLJK_Zealot has been banned at least once as well.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Nindur on June 21, 2011, 09:24:08 pm
Ecko is a bundle of sticks and made me unban all the LLJK, this was a good day until now




Solidarity brothers
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Earthdforce on June 21, 2011, 09:25:00 pm
Ecko is a bundle of sticks and made me unban all the LLJK, this was a good day until now




Solidarity brothers
..abooze. No but seriously, good one
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Allers on June 21, 2011, 09:27:14 pm
I dont think its Philosoraptors fault it wwas an accident. I have to change my cd key every time i get on so i copy and paste it. Sometimes when i link someone to things it dosent copy and i accidentally give them my cd key
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Nindur on June 21, 2011, 09:28:56 pm
I dont think its Philosoraptors fault it wwas an accident. I have to change my cd key every time i get on so i copy and paste it. Sometimes when i link someone to things it dosent copy and i accidentally give them my cd key
added to the ban list

CD key sharing
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Allers on June 21, 2011, 09:44:55 pm
Nah I personally own more than one, the steam version which I use now changes the CD key automatically each time i start up the game
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: nuffen on June 21, 2011, 10:21:41 pm
One instance no...continuous yes. Research your comments before you argue one should run a server. I believe nuffen in guard has banned for less.

Bullshit, Ive never banned anyone ingame because of what they say in the forum or stuff like that. Stop spreading such lies.
Ive also never banned people for saying ONE word of frustration, and banning people because of what happens on the forum is just sensorship, and nothing else.
Bans on all the _proper_ servers are enforced if you break the rules _on the server_. Its up to the forum admins to admin in here, not you Ecko.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: LLJK_Siggy on June 21, 2011, 10:22:13 pm
Out of all the people banned so far on the LLJK server (if any) are there any LLJK members?

As Fellblade said, several LLJK members have been temp-banned for being stupid. Several have been kicked in the past.

As far as I know nobody has ever been intentionally permabanned from our server, but if someone was consistently out of line and causing problems I wouldn't doubt that the issue would be resolved.

I really don't get why everyone thinks our servers are a haven where you can do whatever you want. People are constantly warned about tking and intentional team wounding, and if they continue they are kicked/temp-banned. I think the problem is initially people thought they wouldn't be but it was pretty quickly made clear that is not the case. As far as I know we are still working on figuring out admins, and should soon have enough on at the right times to take care of any problems that occur.

Anyways this is way off topic so in closing free hellowrold (not zealot he is a huge bundle of sticks).
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Tears of Destiny on June 21, 2011, 10:31:00 pm
I really don't get why everyone thinks our servers are a haven where you can do whatever you want. People are constantly warned about tking and intentional team wounding, and if they continue they are kicked/temp-banned.

Hey not everyone. I just notice that there are a lot more TKs then normal likely due to the LLJK server being more relaxed, so people play more casually.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Radament on June 21, 2011, 10:40:06 pm
When Jesus comes back, these crazy, greedy, capitalistic men are gonna kill him again.

Mike Tyson
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: arab on June 21, 2011, 11:21:20 pm
Out of all the people banned so far on the LLJK server (if any) are there any LLJK members?

Twice for me so far  :wink:
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Vieuxcrotter on June 21, 2011, 11:35:31 pm
From my personal experience LLJK Zealot is a first class scum bag and should be banned forever from all crpg servers.

If i had control of a server that kid would have been ban long ago.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Veto on June 22, 2011, 12:17:05 am
Bullshit, Ive never banned anyone ingame because of what they say in the forum or stuff like that. Stop spreading such lies.
Ive also never banned people for saying ONE word of frustration, and banning people because of what happens on the forum is just sensorship, and nothing else.
Bans on all the _proper_ servers are enforced if you break the rules _on the server_. Its up to the forum admins to admin in here, not you Ecko.
when you emphisize ONE it makes me think youve banned someone for A COUPLE words of hate, and....lolololol thats still censorship. half of EU hates you as admin anyway, you have no room to post about any admin related things. might as well move to America where you can be a dick and not give a shit about the consequences like us.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 22, 2011, 12:34:06 am
Bullshit, Ive never banned anyone ingame because of what they say in the forum or stuff like that. Stop spreading such lies.
Ive also never banned people for saying ONE word of frustration, and banning people because of what happens on the forum is just sensorship, and nothing else.
Bans on all the _proper_ servers are enforced if you break the rules _on the server_. Its up to the forum admins to admin in here, not you Ecko.

People can speak their mind all they want. I wasn't trying to ban anyone on the forums. In fact, i'm sure if someone called chadz a bundle of sticks they'd get their due as well. However, if i choose to take an action, lets say that a player does on shogunate, and move the punishment to my server as well. That's my choice. If i decide to ban an asshat on the forums on my server, also my choice. And there is nothing you can do about it  8-)

I think balton is a good example. What happened to him nuffen?
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Goretooth on June 22, 2011, 12:37:35 am
Yeah free balton!
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Topsnus on June 22, 2011, 12:38:25 am
People can speak their mind all they want. I wasn't trying to ban anyone on the forums. In fact, i'm sure if someone called chadz a bundle of sticks they'd get their due as well. However, if i choose to take an action, lets say that a player does on shogunate, and move the punishment to my server as well. That's my choice. If i decide to ban an asshat on the forums on my server, also my choice. And there is nothing you can do about it  8-)

I think balton is a good example. What happened to him nuffen?
It's true that there is nothing anyone else can do about it. But that doesn't change the fact that you are a complete asshole who has let his small amount of online power go to his head. You are SUPPOSED to ban people for breaking rules and deteriorating the quality of play ON YOUR SERVERS. You are NOT SUPPOSED to ban people for who they are or how they act outside of your servers. That serves no purpose other than to make you feel like you are so powerful and make everyone else think you are a complete dick.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ylca on June 22, 2011, 12:40:37 am
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,8760.msg129499.html#msg129499

Ecko, you might have missed this.

Again, server password breached, punishments handed out, why is the LLJK member permanently banned but the accomplice only gets a one week vacation? I'm just trying to figure out the underlying logic here, because it has to be more than just simple favoritism, but since you completely skipped over my post for some reason i'm still left wondering.
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: [ptx] on June 22, 2011, 12:45:05 am
Balton? That is ancient history, but, iirc, he wasn't banned ingame, until he earned it there. Essay ban, iirc. Since he was perma-muted/banned from forums as well...
Title: Re: Mass Ban on LLJK
Post by: Ecko on June 22, 2011, 12:46:27 am
What power? You call dealing with a bunch of people with problems each day is power? If i wanted to be dick i would have kept lljk banned and forced them to play on their non populated server. There's a reason people play on mine, its because i work my ass off regardless of the handfull of trolls who say other wise.



Btw philosraptor was only banned for one week. Because at first he would not tell me how he got the password. I made a deal, if he told me how he got the password, i might not perma ban him.

As far as i'm concerned. Philo had the password for a while, and did nothing with it, logs proved it. When he did, it got leaked to zealot who used it immediately to not just troll me, but ban random players.


That's why Zealot is perma banned, because his actions effected more people. He could have chosen to do nothing with the info. I didn't see philosiraptor doing what he did.

Case closed.