cRPG
cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Black Wind on January 13, 2011, 10:05:42 am
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I play many characters that don't wear armour, as it avoids upkeep. I CONSTANTLY get ganked by archers. FUCKING CONSTANTLY! it shits me to the core. Revert cRPG and do a rollback. Throwers, and archers dominate the field as tincans can't afford to wear armour. Cavalry have to wear average.. armour as horses are expensive. And peasants are AMAZINGLY subsceptible to 1 hit kill archer and thrower attacks.
This mod has lost its varnish, PLEASE revert.
Cheers.
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Please post to the other 9000 whine topics instead of making a new one.
Locked. (no wait, i'm not a mod :()
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so you avoid upkeep by wearing no armor ... ok but what do you use the gold for!? there is no other way to spend gold now that retirement is free. just keep your total gear cost below 25000g add you'll be fine. ~50 armor not enough 4 u?
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YEH FUCK THIS! GODDAMIT chadz YOU KILLED THE MOD! ARCHERS ARE OVERPOWERED NOW AND WERENT BEFORE THE PATCH! RAGE!
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so you avoid upkeep by wearing no armor ... ok but what do you use the gold for!? there is no other way to spend gold now that retirement is free. just keep your total gear cost below 25000g add you'll be fine. ~50 armor not enough 4 u?
Hurpdy durp. I am a ninja build, And because I don't wear anything shiny I get one hit by arrows AND throwing. I think being one hit in melee is bad enough personally
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No way. Lately I have also been wearing lamelar vest, and the only time I get killed instantly by an archer (or a thrower) is when he scores a head shot. Btw, did u try running zig-zack?
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Hurpdy durp. I am a ninja build, And because I don't wear anything shiny I get one hit by arrows AND throwing. I think being one hit in melee is bad enough personally
Hey dude, us Ninjas have chosen this path, even if it's hard and not always rewarding. Nobody forces you to be a Ninja-like, tbh. If archers, or your weak armor bother you, just get a shield, or a heavier armor. That's it.
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Although shields do against archers now as much as... pffff... a dagger does? :rolleyes:
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Yes... I have been playing for a year approx, and I know how to dodge arrows. They just manage to get me in the end, as they often mob together. I wear a burlap tunic.
It is just frustrating how often I die to the unskilled. When I say that archery is easy, I get a mouthful of "no it isn't, try it." I HAVE tried it and it was easier than pissing.
old cRPG was much better. Sure there were OP things in EACH class. E.G. Lolhammer, Lolstab, Archer Draw speed, and LoC. All of these I found countered eachother, hence balancing the game more than now.
The only outliers were armoured horses.
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Archers are so slow nowdays. before the patch i shot my 64 arrows in 1 min. now 30 arrows in 2 min. Nerfed up to 75%. Any argument left?
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Yes. 75% My anus. The bow speed dropped by like 20-30 a piece. That is closer to a third (33.333..%) Than Three Quarters.
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Hurpdy durp. I am a ninja build, And because I don't wear anything shiny I get one hit by arrows AND throwing. I think being one hit in melee is bad enough personally
Thats a sound argument NOT. Why do u quote me if its got nothing to do with what I wrote? Its like I would say "i'm a naturist build and my quest is to kill tincans with punches". if u dont like ur build just change it. BTW dont ninjas use stealth and suprise? or maybe ur that "wear a hoodmask and katana, charging and not doing anything like ninja" ninja kind?
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this thread is a lie!
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I play many characters that don't wear armour, as it avoids upkeep. I CONSTANTLY get ganked by archers. FUCKING CONSTANTLY! it shits me to the core. Revert cRPG and do a rollback. Throwers, and archers dominate the field as tincans can't afford to wear armour. Cavalry have to wear average.. armour as horses are expensive. And peasants are AMAZINGLY subsceptible to 1 hit kill archer and thrower attacks.
This mod has lost its varnish, PLEASE revert.
Cheers.
Old crpg sucked. Archers one shot people in platemail. Now they can't hit the broadside of a barn. Some people have a very short memory.
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Alright.
I stand by this claim. Upkeep's sole purpose was to reduce tincans & plated chargers no?
Well, this has been negated immensely by the implementation of the marketplace. Just chuckin' that out there.
This claim can be supported by observing the increase of tins in the small Australian community...
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I am a ninja build
Well there's your problem.
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Seems the cognac kicked in
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop dee doo
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Well there's your problem.
Lol, my thoughts exactly!
These problems are non-existent since I'm covered in plate with a plated pony bearing my sturdy steal shield :mrgreen:. (Except those arbalests and longbows; devious beings, those are)
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As if everyone oculd afford that gear, I cant imangine the upkeep cost, its alreay high enougfh for me without the sghiled and the poni, hell the 1 hander itself is 730 gold per repair D:
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Hurpdy durp. I am a ninja build, And because I don't wear anything shiny I get one hit by arrows AND throwing. I think being one hit in melee is bad enough personally
So you are a ninja build, yet you want tin cans to be brought back to their almost godlike ultra mode with no upkeep? Also, have you seen players like Huey newton, Badplayer or Rohypnol run around on their very strong horses? They absolutely dominate the battle field. Upkeep is a pain for all of us. Archer currently are paying a pretty penny for the higher up bows and arrows while crossbowmen also pay the price of most heavy armors to use higher end bows like the Arbalest. Ninjas's aren't meant to take alot of damage. They are meant to move quickly, surprise opponents and take as little damage as possible. Sounds as if you ought to re-evaluate your play style.
Also, those tin cans in that small Aussie community are probably paying money out the ass to keep their gear on as much as possible. All the market place did was make it so that heirloomed items could be achieved without weeks of tireless grinding. They are still paying out the wazoo to use those high end items.
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As if everyone oculd afford that gear, I cant imangine the upkeep cost, its alreay high enougfh for me without the sghiled and the poni, hell the 1 hander itself is 730 gold per repair D:
You're a jive turkey. Sell a MW weapon for around 1m, sustain plate for eternity. Hell, you can sustain transitional, sugarloaf, plate mittens and a miaodao just fine
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So you are a ninja build, yet you want tin cans to be brought back to their almost godlike ultra mode with no upkeep? Also, have you seen players like Huey newton, Badplayer or Rohypnol run around on their very strong horses? They absolutely dominate the battle field. Upkeep is a pain for all of us. Archer currently are paying a pretty penny for the higher up bows and arrows while crossbowmen also pay the price of most heavy armors to use higher end bows like the Arbalest. Ninjas's aren't meant to take alot of damage. They are meant to move quickly, surprise opponents and take as little damage as possible. Sounds as if you ought to re-evaluate your play style.
Also, those tin cans in that small Aussie community are probably paying money out the ass to keep their gear on as much as possible. All the market place did was make it so that heirloomed items could be achieved without weeks of tireless grinding. They are still paying out the wazoo to use those high end items.
I am not a ninja, genius. Check the date. I'm a strength biased level 30. 23 str, 15 agi.
Upkeep is pointless since the implementation of the market. With the sale of a heirloom you can sustain plate for ages. A player in Aus made a -profit- of 8k in one match whilst wearing milanese just last night..
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I am gen 5 and I am done retiring, I like my character how he is erigfht now and I dont know what to heirloom, I wear my avvy armor from tiem to time but not always, I keep around 190k.
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I am not a ninja, genius. Check the date. I'm a strength biased level 30. 23 str, 15 agi.
Upkeep is pointless since the implementation of the market. With the sale of a heirloom you can sustain plate for ages. A player in Aus made a -profit- of 8k in one match whilst wearing milanese just last night..
Your childish attitude towards anyone's opinion other than your own is pretty fucking illuminating. It's pretty much the same in every upkeep QQ thread. A person may be able to MW items, but that will take weeks to do. And even then, once he sells them, that player will continue to hemorrhage money if he is not skilled enough to constantly have a winning multiplier. What can sometimes beat the system is the fact that some players are just so good that they constantly win and the profit they usually would make from the multiplier negates the upkeep effects. Fortunately, this isn't the case for the majority of the player base. Also, even then, players like Rohypnol will continue to lose money because of how much their armored horse, shield, armor and weapons cost. The biggest counter to heavy 2-handed hero classes in this game is and always will be ranged. How ironic that you are complaining about both to try and better validate your erroneous assumption of how the upkeep system works.
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Your childish attitude towards anyone's opinion other than your own is pretty fucking illuminating. It's pretty much the same in every upkeep QQ thread. A person may be able to MW items, but that will take weeks to do. And even then, once he sells them, that player will continue to hemorrhage money if he is not skilled enough to constantly have a winning multiplier. What can sometimes beat the system is the fact that some players are just so good that they constantly win and the profit they usually would make from the multiplier negates the upkeep effects. Fortunately, this isn't the case for the majority of the player base. Also, even then, players like Rohypnol will continue to lose money because of how much their armored horse, shield, armor and weapons cost. The biggest counter to heavy 2-handed hero classes in this game is and always will be ranged. How ironic that you are complaining about both to try and better validate your erroneous assumption of how the upkeep system works.
I smell a hipocrit.
Look. One was submitted on January this year. If you can't grasp that, I fear for you.
My point is simple,
Upkeep has almost been nullified by the sale-value of Masterwork items. You don't need to be good to win in plate or half-plate. Sure, it helps, but your own argument is clouded by your strong bias regarding this issue.
Well hey, it's pointless arguing with idiots, so I'll leave you to it.
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I smell a hipocrit.
Look. One was submitted on January this year. If you can't grasp that, I fear for you.
My point is simple,
Upkeep has almost been nullified by the sale-value of Masterwork items. You don't need to be good to win in plate or half-plate. Sure, it helps, but your own argument is clouded by your strong bias regarding this issue.
Well hey, it's pointless arguing with idiots, so I'll leave you to it.
Considering most browsers have added in spell check programs and you still managed to somehow spell "hypocrite" wrong, I don't think you're in a position to be calling anyone an idiot. Anyway, you're probably better of being salty and pouting in silence as opposed to coming on here, talking out of your ass, and getting muted for it. Also, the only one who wouldn't have a bias when posting on this issue is someone who doesn't play the game, and even then they most likely won't have enough of an understanding of how the game works to give a solid opinion. Thanks for closing with a totally moot point.
Cheers.
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If old cRPG was better, then why is this here?
Wrong. cRPG was dying before the upkeep patch. We lost like 10 to 50 players per day. People lost interest in the senseless grind, new players left right away. That big patch has caused a boost in players, and kept the playerbase at a constant level since that day, more or less, with a bit of an longterm increase.
I has numbers to proof!
Here, let me make it easier to read:
cRPG was dying before the upkeep patch. We lost like 10 to 50 players per day. People lost interest in the senseless grind, new players left right away. That big patch has caused a boost in players, and kept the playerbase at a constant level since that day, more or less, with a bit of an longterm increase.
I has numbers to proof!
/thread
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If old cRPG was better, then why is this here?
Here, let me make it easier to read:
/thread
I kant reed gud
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There's an old saying of the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, what it means is...
Good Lord, you guys are competent enough to understand what it means! With all these complaint threads I'm surprised to see chadz haven't decided to revert back and then see you complainers cry even more before coming to realization how great the system already is now!
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Well..
Ninja is a very hard to play class.. It forces you to be sneaky and THINK about what you are doing. The mind is the armor.. We are self nerfers basically.
Overall player skill has increased so you don't get so far with a spammy katana anymore. Archers are AGI based, which means you cannot catch them without 8 Athletics. Archers are BETTER(!) than they used to be. Besides they are incredibly more aware than they used to be. Also there are more cav, and that makes them look around them all the time. Before I could usually catch an archer and kill him while running uphill and dodging.. Either my dodging skills have gone stale, or they are simply better at reading it.
Still it's not that hard. Bring a short sword and a bamboo spear, go flank. Try not to get seen. use hills, bushes and trees for cover and you will backstab those archers in no time. But do not expect to be a 2h hero in the middle of battle. For that you need a greatsword, different skillset and loomed armor.
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Thomek you dont know shit about self nerfing, I am playing quite a part of my time as 1 hander no shield with a gambeson on the front line of battle, try that.
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Wow you must be really good!
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Wow you must be really good!
Urge.. to... say something mean... about bob... RISING.... *strangles self*
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Wow you must be really good!
In my defence there is an unusual ammount of alchool in my vein or w/e
Also, I am sick of ninja people claiming higher something because oh my god they wear lamellar armor and a bad helmet, just saying its comon and they should stop bragging 'bout that
Urge.. to... say something mean... about bob... RISING.... *strangles self*
Go ahead ;)
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Go ahead ;)
It was just a lame "Hardly" with a wink emoticon attached... :/
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YOU DARE DOUBTING MY SKILLS ):<
There aint no winking smiley that'll save your ass, punk
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Well..
Ninja is a very hard to play class.. It forces you to be sneaky and THINK about what you are doing. The mind is the armor.. We are self nerfers basically.
Overall player skill has increased so you don't get so far with a spammy katana anymore. Archers are AGI based, which means you cannot catch them without 8 Athletics. Archers are BETTER(!) than they used to be. Besides they are incredibly more aware than they used to be. Also there are more cav, and that makes them look around them all the time. Before I could usually catch an archer and kill him while running uphill and dodging.. Either my dodging skills have gone stale, or they are simply better at reading it.
Still it's not that hard. Bring a short sword and a bamboo spear, go flank. Try not to get seen. use hills, bushes and trees for cover and you will backstab those archers in no time. But do not expect to be a 2h hero in the middle of battle. For that you need a greatsword, different skillset and loomed armor.
Alright, I'm not a ninja at the moment, although next gen I was contemplating achieving this build:
Level: 30
Attributes
Strength: 12
Agility: 27
Proficiencies:
One-handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Two-handed: 170
Archery: 1
Crossbows: 95
Throwing: 1
Skill Points:
Converted: 8
Iron Flesh: 1
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 0
Athletics: 9
Riding: 0
Power Shot: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Weapon Master: 9
Gear:
Lamellar Vest
Sarranid Warrior Cap
Splinted Leather Boots
Mail Gloves
Masterwork Miaodao
Well-made Crossbow
Steel bolts.
Opinions anyone?
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YOU DARE DOUBTING MY SKILLS ):<
There aint no winking smiley that'll save your ass, punk
YOU SUCK SO HARD SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE I'M FIGHTING IN THE VACUUM OF SPACE!
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Now thats how you do it *golf clap* :D
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Also, I am sick of ninja people claiming higher something because oh my god they wear lamellar armor and a bad helmet, just saying its comon and they should stop bragging 'bout that
At least they got style 8-)
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Bitch please, ninja aint cool.
You on the other hand, you're a magnificient Panzer VII.