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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Myltinous on June 28, 2011, 03:11:05 am
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Howdy y'all!
I'm making a pure 2h char and don't know whether to add the extra skill point towards IF or Athletics. The builds with each one are below
lvl 30
Str 15
Agi 24
IF: 3
PS: 5
Athletics: 8
WM: 8
2h: 173
lvl 30
Str 15
Agi 24
IF: 4
PS: 5
Athletics: 6
WM: 8
2h: 173
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The point of more agility is for more athletics*, so yes max athletics -- or don't get that much agility.
*Weapon master doesn't do much on a character that is not a hybrid. The wpf return is really low when talking about actual attack speed increase.
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Like Marathon said, if you're going for an agi build you should put point in athletics.
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IMO, this build sucks, first of all because of the low strength. However, if you decide to go ninja and stick with it, than it is definitely athletics, cause it means much more in combat than couple of points in IF.
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IMO, this build sucks, first of all because of the low strength. However, if you decide to go ninja and stick with it, than it is definitely athletics, cause it means much more in combat than couple of points in IF.
Hmm... There is an advantage in having 15/24 with 8 athletics and 8 weapon master: you can use realy heavy armor, without a huge speed penalty :)
I have 5 PS now, and i can kill anyone with a Bastard Sword. Dont feel that i need more PS, been there, and it was not fun.
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I have to agree people are overvaluating ps atm imo. Sure I could pump all my points into str and one-shot tincans... But I don't need to one-shot tincans, dancing around them works just as well (and is more fun!). Plus, with a balanced build, I get all the movespeed I want, good swingspeed/ability to hybrid while still maintaining enough damage to hit hard.
Just my pov.
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Well... IMO, it's like this: if you stay away from clusterfuck situations, agi build works. But, If you are facing more than one guy, you are screwed, because you just can't finish any of them fast enough. I still say 6PS is minimum for decent playing. Hell, you can even go as 18/24, if you don't waste points on IF and weapon master.
I have something like this in mind:
Strength: 18
Agility: 24
Hit points: 53
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 0
Athletics: 8
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 3
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 132
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
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Actually no, to face more than one guy you need athletics. I had 5 ps and 9 ps, diference is not noticeable. You still need just 2-3 hits to kill with 2h sword. But difference in 1 athletics gives you very huge advantage, both in duels and on battles. If not weapon difficulty I might have 5 or even 4 PS, and put max in to athletics. The most important skill for any infantry imo.
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IF is useless for AGI builds.
People overvalue AGI imo, sure you can dance around people and take them one on one, but if you're a 30-9 build you can one shot an entire squad of agi whores, unless these whores have forecefield blocks.
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Hey thanks for the tips. It seems like some people here worry more about their K/D ratio over the style of play they enjoy. Maybe I'll get more kills if i put more into STR but I wouldn't enjoy playing the char as much, and if I mess up there's always next gen. But thanks again for the advice, I'll put it in athletics. :D
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Howdy y'all!
I'm making a pure 2h char and don't know whether to add the extra skill point towards IF or Athletics. The builds with each one are below
lvl 30
Str 15
Agi 24
IF: 3
PS: 5
Athletics: 8
WM: 8
2h: 173
Just wanted to say that the build above is the standard Ninja build with low weight armor + katana (albeit it is probably better with a miadao or a nodachi - really any 2h except the katana).
You may will bounce a lot so prepare to block/counter.
Just a few edits on the build because you'll get at lvl30: 2IF, 172 2h.
Happy Ninja'n!
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I is dahhh 21/21 @ lvl 33.
Tbfh, I dont want to miss anything, speed nor power.
The situations battle are always different, so a balanced build always fits.
P.S I got 5 IF, 7 ps, 7 Athl, 7 wm ---- 8 pts converted.
Whenever I hit lvl 34 i will get max IF + 1 shield.
Agibuilds are fancy, yet the will get rangedraped more often than balanced ones.
One Athl over that one IF!!!
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the 15 24 build is actually a really good 2h build especially with a danish gs or similar.
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If you're only going to have 4 IF or 3 IF, don't bother. Find something else to put those points into.
5 IF is the point where it makes a difference between 3 or 4 hits etc.
Go with Athletics.
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IF is useless for AGI builds.
Every point of IF adds less absolute effective HP to an AGI build than a Tincan build, but relative to their existing survivability it's a bigger boost. IF is just as useful, if not more, to AGI melee builds.
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Every point of IF adds less absolute effective HP to an AGI build than a Tincan build, but relative to their existing survivability it's a bigger boost. IF is just as useful, if not more, to AGI melee builds.
If you have an AGI build, you shouldn't hesitate between putting a skill point in IF or in Athletics.
It's obviously in athletics, else what's the point in making an AGI build ?
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5 ps is good enough, just try weapon with pierce or blunt damage. (bec, morningstar, maul) or weapon with high raw damage (great axe, war cleaver)
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If you have an AGI build, you shouldn't hesitate between putting a skill point in IF or in Athletics.
It's obviously in athletics, else what's the point in making an AGI build ?
Who said it was a tradeoff against athletics?
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15-24 seems a waste in today's crpg IMO. The better player you get, the less agi you need. 15 str means a lot of hits to kill a decent armored guy. The block and attack mechanic works the same at 150wpf than at 170wpf. You will have enough time to counter attack after you block. If you are going ninja, then its ok i would say. But for a decent 2h warrior.. go for more str all the way. Diference between 2 hits and 4 hits to kill someone its more important than those milisecons of room the extra wpf provides to counter attack. Indeed i would say that you will get more kills if you need just to do 2 good blocks to kill someone than if you need a chain of 4 blocks and attacks. More chances of a failure and less hp to screw up. For me, the best 2h is 24/15. I only recomend those agi builds to new players and veteran players with not so good ping...or ninjas. It really helps when your ping sucks. Salute
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Who said it was a tradeoff against athletics?
Maybe the title ? :rolleyes:
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But if anyone else has any ideas in terms of getting both IF and Athletics feel free to say so.
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Put the point in athletic, the agi build wan't to be speeeeedy!
And because my main got a build really similary, I will say, don't put any point in IF, put them in shield, and after that you can go hunting the friendly bowman =)