cRPG
cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Arson on January 11, 2011, 07:03:08 pm
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Since coming to cRPG I've noticed that very little official information is available to players. Explanations of retirement are scarce, changelogs are almost non-existant, and not a shred can be found on Strategus. Hell, I had to ask in-game to find out that Strategus was down since the latest patch. I thought I was doing something wrong.
That being the case, I think it would be easy and effective to add an official wiki to c-rpg.net. Yes, there are various wikis around the internet, but none for cRPG that I've found, all relating instead to Warband. If the administrators of cRPG can't find it within themselves to make official documentation on various subjects, then let the hundreds of dedicated players who are here do it. It would be simple to add a Wiki button right here on the forums, and allow the Wiki to complete itself as all wikis do. A few mod developers could check up to make sure information is accurate, but otherwise it would mostly be guides and hands-off. I think this could only improve the cRPG community and is desperately needed in my opinion.
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I strongly agree. Poor documentation is probably the worst part of this mod.
At the very least give us detailed patch notes. There's always so many unanswered questions about every little change.
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I support the idea, I think nobody would oppose this - I'm not that optimistic about the wiki 'completing itself' though. Guides are scarce, subjective, and in most cases, really outdated. There are nice ideas however, so I may be wrong here.
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I think if players had a single repository to place their information that it would fill up pretty quickly. As far as guides being "subjective", sadly I agree, and I feel it's because there are few confirmations on exactly how certain game mechanics work without speculation. There's really no excuse for a mod as simple as cRPG not to have precise information on all mechanics.
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http://wiki.c-rpg.net
I have no idea how that thing works, so if anyone wants some special rights, contact me in IRC.
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Great! We'll get started on adding content. However, some measure of spam prevention (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Spam_management_extensions) would be very helpful.
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Added some content in the front page and made a basic page for fighting skills. There's a ton of stuff ready to be added with slight edits from all the newbie guide topics.
The most important thing is to keep the information parts informational and express your opinions elsewhere, either in separate articles or at least under different heading in the same article. That way the informational content can be easily updated without going through all the arguments whether or not something pwns. Forum is for discussion and issues involving varied opinions with arguments. Perhaps the most significant approaches (example, builds: full str / full agi / balanced attributes, hybrid / focused wpf, pure / hybrid skillpoints?) can be described in the wiki too, but every player's individual opinion should not be expressed in the wiki.
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The most important thing to have would be game mechanics: Registration, multiple characters, exp/gold gain, equipment, leveling up, WPF weight penalty, Strategus basics, server rules, retirement.
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cool I did an edit, I used to contribute alot to other game wiki's I dont mind contributing, but its anoying when you cRPG dev guys know all the infomation but keep it secret and leave the community guessing. so if this is going to be an official wiki, can we get official info from you guys or are you still gona be super secretive about stuff.
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It appears that both file uploads and external image links are disabled. Until at least one of those is turned on then we cannot have any images on the wiki.
Should we just copy Moschers cRPG Guide into the wiki for the beginner's guide?
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That should be heavily updated with patch information.
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http://wiki.c-rpg.net
I have no idea how that thing works, so if anyone wants some special rights, contact me in IRC.
Thank you very much for this, chadz. I think this will turn out to be one of the best things to happen to cRPG in a while.
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http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Throwing
Feel free to edit the text, I just wrote it for some basic information, and to not leave it empty. The contents of the table are from the website, and are, of course, subject to change by any donkey magic (patches).
Filling that table only took 30 minutes or so, so go ahead people, fill the others!
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I've created a new front page for the wiki. I feel they're more effective when they're short and to the point, and since cRPG is growing all the time, I thought that a newbie-friendly welcome would be handy. I'll create appropriate subpages so that people can fill in information.
A Guides section should be creates shortly for folks that want to include items of opinion and less objective material.
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Nice job so far, looks like we got a few excellent editors already.
Looks like Arson remade a downloading & installing page (had similar stuff in http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Getting_started (http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Getting_started)), making the steps a lot less detailed. This is of course a matter of opinion, but I think the newbie guides and basic install steps should rather be too detailed instead of too vague. Someone often pops to IRC or makes a forum post requesting help about stuff that seems trivial to anyone who's played the mod for any time at all. I'll re-add the details later if no one strongly disagrees.
Another important thing: let's try to make each article have a short overview, just like normal Wikipedia. A short paragraph or two giving the basic impression of what the article discusses in detail. This way people can get an overview without reading through the full article - you don't want to read through every detail when you've just started to play. Newbie-friendliness again.
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great job so far guys.
I'd still like to see the devs get involved in it a little bit. there's still a lot of info on some game mechanics that are very vague and/or disputed among the community. Like the relationship between powerdraw, wpf, and a bow's actual accuracy. or a list of all the factors that determine how much hp you have. And how an armor's damage mitigation is calculated. it's things that I'm curious about.
oh and a sticky about the wiki in the announcement forum or somewhere might be nice. I'm sure not everyone will notice this thread about it.
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Great idea! Link it from the c-rpg pages!
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Nice job so far, looks like we got a few excellent editors already.
Looks like Arson remade a downloading & installing page (had similar stuff in http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Getting_started (http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=Getting_started)), making the steps a lot less detailed. This is of course a matter of opinion, but I think the newbie guides and basic install steps should rather be too detailed instead of too vague. Someone often pops to IRC or makes a forum post requesting help about stuff that seems trivial to anyone who's played the mod for any time at all. I'll re-add the details later if no one strongly disagrees.
Another important thing: let's try to make each article have a short overview, just like normal Wikipedia. A short paragraph or two giving the basic impression of what the article discusses in detail. This way people can get an overview without reading through the full article - you don't want to read through every detail when you've just started to play. Newbie-friendliness again.
Thanks for the nod, and I agree the install information is short. I actually copied that directly from the c-rpg.net install page, so I'm glad you are able to see it was a bit lacking to begin with.
Continuing to flesh this out today. The help is appreciated, guys.
Also, we're still unable to link to or add images. That would really help on pages that explain how the character page looks, as well as showcasing weapons and armor. I'd like to request from chadz admin access on the wiki since I plan to spend a good bit on time on it, if I could just find the damn IRC information. :P
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http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=IRC :wink:
Definitely need image capability. Perhaps Vargas can do it since he is a wiki admin now.
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http://wiki.c-rpg.net/index.php?title=IRC :wink:
Definitely need image capability. Perhaps Vargas can do it since he is a wiki admin now.
Thanks for this. Added quicklink to IRC page on Main Page.
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Well who is going to do it exactly, and whoever does deserves a special sig or some recognition
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a list of clans and their TS would be nice
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If you see a need for an article, by all means create it. Nobody is "in charge" of the wiki. That's sort of the point of the wiki. Just be prepared to have folks mess with your formatting to (hopefully) improve it.
Also, I'd suggest getting permission from various clans before posting their information to a public wiki.
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If you see a need for an article, by all means create it. Nobody is "in charge" of the wiki. That's sort of the point of the wiki. Just be prepared to have folks mess with your formatting to (hopefully) improve it.
Also, I'd suggest getting permission from various clans before posting their information to a public wiki.
In many areas i am a noob, wikis are one of them.
I agree that you should have permission to post those data, but if the TS is configured with a public entrance, could there be any harm done anyways?