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Title: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 01:28:47 pm
Title - enough said.

Reasons:
- More balance.
- Broken stab animation added more balance against blunt weapons and knockdowns.
- Blunt is currently OP (e.g. barmace and crushthroughs), as well as throwing (equipping jarids or others to multiple slots, with high Power Throw.)
- Upkeep causes unbalance, and supports ninja-builds.

EDIT: Preferably without a rollback. ( I know this sounds like I leeched off the new multipliers, but I am still a lower level than I was, before I was a level 28 black plated polearmer, which I now respeced into transitional because its not as noob. On my other character, I was a lvl 25 archer, and respeced into a ninja as to avoid upkeep.)

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Joker86 on January 11, 2011, 01:39:08 pm
Quote from: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 01:28:47 pm
Reasons:
- More balance.

Come on, are you serious?  :shock:
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 01:41:41 pm
Quote from: Joker86 on January 11, 2011, 01:39:08 pm
Come on, are you serious?  :shock:

Yes, in old cRPG, the only OP build was HA. This is so because archers cancelled out cav, cav cancelled out melee and melee cancelled out archers.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 01:42:41 pm
And tincans. And archers. And plated chargers. And lolstab. And shield forcefield.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: UeberSkillz on January 11, 2011, 01:44:28 pm
Quote from: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 01:42:41 pm
And tincans. And archers. And plated chargers. And lolstab. And shield forcefield.

This.


CRPG is much more balanced now!
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Warcat on January 11, 2011, 01:44:32 pm
Quote from: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 01:41:41 pm
Yes, in old cRPG, the only OP build was HA.

Obviously you've never tried playing as one. HA was only overpowered when the HA was a lvl 45 plated tank that just happens to shoot arrows.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 01:46:51 pm
Warcat you obviously are a retard. In the AUS server, we had a lvl 30 HA wearing peasant gear. He was getting ratios of 20:3. So stfu.

This is taken from Australian server with like 30 people online at once at most.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 01:58:17 pm
Quote from: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 01:46:51 pm
This is taken from Australian server

Do we have something similar to the NA fatties stereotype for Aussies? We should.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 02:00:49 pm
As far as I'm concerned we are known to the world as racist bogans. :S
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Joker86 on January 11, 2011, 02:02:10 pm
Quote from: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 01:58:17 pm
Do we have something similar to the NA fatties stereotype for Aussies? We should.

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Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 02:02:45 pm
Quote
As far as I'm concerned we are known to the world as racist bogans. :S

Oh yeah, now that you mention it... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keytSLdb2Gg)
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 02:04:05 pm
Quote from: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 01:42:41 pm
And tincans. And archers. And plated chargers. And lolstab. And shield forcefield.

We don't get plated chargers in AU servers. But we do get bucklers and lolstabbers and archers. As it turns out due to the small amount of players, we only get OP'd by HA. Nobody cares about the rest.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Paul on January 11, 2011, 02:06:22 pm
Quote from: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 01:58:17 pm
Do we have something similar to the NA fatties stereotype for Aussies? We should.

Well, it's basically a prison island...
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Riddaren on January 11, 2011, 02:08:54 pm
cRPG is now better balanced than ever imo. It's also more fun than ever, and I play all classes.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: bredeus on January 11, 2011, 02:12:11 pm
Sure it is. If not in every way just endure it. If something do not evolve it dies.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 02:13:25 pm
Its balanced, except for throwing and blunt weapons.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 02:28:27 pm
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Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Dark207 on January 11, 2011, 02:51:28 pm
Ehm, the "level 30 horse archer with a kd of 20:3" was actually just very god damn good, assuming you're referring to romai.

It was very hard to get the stats required for HA, though, I will admit it is op if you do it right
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Diomedes on January 12, 2011, 06:32:44 am
Many players who cry "OP" seem to forget two things: (1) some builds have a natural advantage over other builds and (2) not everything is always balanced in a game with level-based character development.  Of course a long polearm can easily destroy a charging horseman, and a 2h can beat an equal opponent with a smaller weapon, but it's also quite straightforward to say that the more esoteric builds can appear OP simply because they are such an unfamiliar foe.  HA are a good example of this because of their demanding stat requirements and the generally great skill required of those who use this build.  What separates a HA from a regular archer?  They can charge infantry, but so can other horses.  They're also faster, sure, but so are many lightly armoured archers.  These are simply two advantages which become terrifying when used properly but are otherwise fragile when use in the wrong context; a HA that charges into spears will fall to pieces against a moderately skilled opponent, just as a HA will die when trying to engage a  competent 2h in hand-to-hand combat.  There's no foul in playing to your strengths and exploiting inexperience.

The other oft forgotten feature of cRPG is that characters develop positively.  Moving from a light bow to a stronger bow doesn't mean that both bows must be somehow equal "in their proper contexts."  It's reasonable to say that some gear is objectively superior to other gear by most relevant standards.  I'm comfortable with the idea that club-wielding peasant, no matter who controls them, will never take down a conscious Lady Gaga on her Apocalypse Horse.  Skilled players worked to get what they have and to disagree with an this incentive-based system is to reject cRPG altogether.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Kalam on January 12, 2011, 06:38:36 am
Quote from: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 01:28:47 pm
Title - enough said.

Reasons:
- More balance.
- Broken stab animation added more balance against blunt weapons and knockdowns.
- Blunt is currently OP (e.g. barmace and crushthroughs), as well as throwing (equipping jarids or others to multiple slots, with high Power Throw.)
- Upkeep causes unbalance, and supports ninja-builds.

EDIT: Preferably without a rollback. ( I know this sounds like I leeched off the new multipliers, but I am still a lower level than I was, before I was a level 28 black plated polearmer, which I now respeced into transitional because its not as noob. On my other character, I was a lvl 25 archer, and respeced into a ninja as to avoid upkeep.)

Cheers.

If you need a lolstab to counter a blunt user, you just need better footwork. As for upkeep, I played a katana-wielding gambeson before the patch. These days, I don armour and a longer weapon. If anything, this system encourages more armour.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Lonewuelf on January 12, 2011, 06:42:10 am
Quote from: Dark207 on January 11, 2011, 02:51:28 pm
Ehm, the "level 30 horse archer with a kd of 20:3" was actually just very god damn good, assuming you're referring to romai.



Correct.
Romai is a very good player, that's why he was always getting a good k/d ratio.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Morieff on January 12, 2011, 05:00:37 pm
Stop whine against blunt crushthrough. A full PS build is effective at contact but blunt wp are not so long (except long maul but so slow ...) and unbalanced. In addition stat cost don't let you invest points in ath or a ton of wpfif you want reach a decent PS. So it's balanced build imho. Yeah it's a viable alternative to agi spammer with spamberge or halleberd. That's what make you rage against Str build.

In addition the game is funnier with different builds. And MorningStar don't crushthrough anymore. A new useless weapon.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: bloody on January 14, 2011, 01:33:47 pm
Get that repair off!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Siiem on January 14, 2011, 02:43:35 pm
Quote from: Morieff on January 12, 2011, 05:00:37 pm
Stop whine against blunt crushthrough. A full PS build is effective at contact but blunt wp are not so long (except long maul but so slow ...) and unbalanced. In addition stat cost don't let you invest points in ath or a ton of wpfif you want reach a decent PS. So it's balanced build imho. Yeah it's a viable alternative to agi spammer with spamberge or halleberd. That's what make you rage against Str build.

In addition the game is funnier with different builds. And MorningStar don't crushthrough anymore. A new useless weapon.


MS is not useless, could allways be that odd tin can running around.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Turkhammer on January 14, 2011, 05:49:17 pm
Quote from: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 01:58:17 pm
Do we have something similar to the NA fatties stereotype for Aussies? We should.

Ishar, your avatar makes you look like a fairy.  That my sterotype for Euros.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Turkhammer on January 14, 2011, 05:50:01 pm
Quote from: bloody on January 14, 2011, 01:33:47 pm
Get that repair off!!!!!!!

+10
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Wizard on January 20, 2011, 03:04:43 pm
The early early beta, was the best of cRPG's time in the history.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Gorath on January 20, 2011, 06:49:03 pm
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Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: downer on January 20, 2011, 07:46:30 pm
Quote from: Gorath on January 20, 2011, 06:49:03 pm
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That image could be used in nearly every thread.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Gorath on January 20, 2011, 09:12:10 pm
Quote from: downer on January 20, 2011, 07:46:30 pm
That image could be used in nearly every thread.

lolture
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Braeden on January 20, 2011, 09:31:38 pm
Quote from: Black Wind on January 11, 2011, 01:28:47 pm
Title - enough said.

Reasons:
- More balance.
- Broken stab animation added more balance against blunt weapons and knockdowns.
- Blunt is currently OP (e.g. barmace and crushthroughs), as well as throwing (equipping jarids or others to multiple slots, with high Power Throw.)
- Upkeep causes unbalance, and supports ninja-builds.

EDIT: Preferably without a rollback. ( I know this sounds like I leeched off the new multipliers, but I am still a lower level than I was, before I was a level 28 black plated polearmer, which I now respeced into transitional because its not as noob. On my other character, I was a lvl 25 archer, and respeced into a ninja as to avoid upkeep.)

Cheers.

No.
Title: Re: Bring Back Old cRPG!
Post by: Germanicus on July 19, 2013, 06:06:54 pm
necromancing