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Title: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:15:38 pm
kicked from server Eu 5 by admin? Ninja_Smelly
Reason : I initiated a ban vote for player Gol that insulted me by calling me pussy.
I ask superior admins to remove admin rights from player Ninja_Smelly.

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Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Tornkik on January 10, 2011, 07:18:03 pm
 :rolleyes:

Well, what do you expect to be done?


I don't think you should of polled him, I don't think he should of insulted you, I don't think the admin should of kicked you.

Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Miley on January 10, 2011, 07:18:45 pm
Well, I don't think him insulting you is ban worthy... or kick worthy. You could've told the admin to tell Gol not to. 0_0
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: UrLukur on January 10, 2011, 07:25:02 pm
Wait, you started ban vote just cause someone insulted you ?

Ok, i demand admin rights taken away from Phazh who kicked me for starting ban vote for Olwen who teamkilled at the spawn (just after round starts, purposefully).
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:27:40 pm
stop offtopic. This is thread for admins attention, not your complaints
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: UrLukur on January 10, 2011, 07:29:47 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:27:40 pm
stop offtopic. This is thread for admins attention, not your complaints

It's not offtopic. It's about admin abooze.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:30:41 pm
well, start your own thread then.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: UrLukur on January 10, 2011, 07:31:55 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:30:41 pm
well, start your own thread then.

This is fine, no point to spam the board with two topics that have same name.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Banok on January 10, 2011, 07:32:16 pm
admins dont even do anything when I tell them people are team damaging me why would they ban someone for calling you a pussy, grow thicker skin you big girl. and don't poll ban people unless they are breaking the server rules or you'll end up banned yourself.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: UrLukur on January 10, 2011, 07:33:15 pm
Quote from: Banok on January 10, 2011, 07:32:16 pm
admins dont even do anything when I tell them people are team damaging me why would they ban someone for calling you a pussy, grow thicker skin you big girl. and don't poll ban people unless they are breaking the server rules or you'll end up banned yourself.

Or mute the offender !
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: AirPhforce on January 10, 2011, 07:34:34 pm
Silence, naive! How dare you speak to your betters with such tone!
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Alex_C on January 10, 2011, 07:52:07 pm
Ah Varyag, I think you need to cool down a little bit in-game; you're a fine player most of the time but sometimes I think your rage gets the better of you.

Gol insulted you, you then started a ban-poll on him. I kicked you from the server and then warned Gol for his insult, telling him that if he did so again he'd receive punishment if he continued.

I'm not entirely sure how kicking someone for abusing polls constitutes admin abuse, but that's a question I believe only you can answer.

Again, just chill out a bit in-game and you won't get into these silly disagreements.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:57:53 pm
So why u didnt kick gol as well? You either warn both parties, or you kick both parties. Otherwise it is abuse. And I insist on your admin rights taken away from you. And believe me, I will do my best for that to happen.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Alex_C on January 10, 2011, 08:00:50 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:57:53 pm
So why u didnt kick gol as well? You either warn both parties, or you kick both parties. Otherwise it is abuse.

Because both the consequences and the severity of the offence of starting a poll to ban a player without just cause are greater than a player giving a (quite frankly minor) insult to another player.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Golradir on January 10, 2011, 08:03:28 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:57:53 pm
So why u didnt kick gol as well? You either warn both parties, or you kick both parties. Otherwise it is abuse. And I insist on your admin rights taken away from you. And believe me, I will do my best for that to happen.
go cry somewhere, u ragepolled, that deserved a (temp)ban imo, and i maybe shouldnt have insulted a guy running away, but i got warned, so that seems fair
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Thomek on January 10, 2011, 08:11:11 pm
Relax Varyag.

I get insulted every day, but I mostly take pride in it. "Fuck you fucking Ninja weaboo Gay shit!"
I get lots of good laughs from it.. and I only kicked a person once or twice when their shit-talking got's excessive. (Not towards me necessarily)
A kick is a mild reaction, just rejoin :-) you know how little it takes for some admins to ban some people?

A ban poll disturbs everyone playing, and I curse polling generally.. Especially if it's unfounded and probably won't succeed.

Now you are a good player with lots of crpg experience, and I think you got a feeling for how bad a player must act before a ban poll succeeds..

Cheers!

btw smelly, that would be Alex ;-)
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Miley on January 10, 2011, 08:12:15 pm
Varyag, your offense was abusing polls, so you got kicked (as a warning probably). Gol only insulted you, and he got a warning. That's not admin abuse ;/
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: DrKronic on January 10, 2011, 08:52:42 pm
So u think an insult deserves a ban vote?  :rolleyes: :shock: :mrgreen:

Lol so I don't say hi are u gonna initiate a kick vote
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on January 10, 2011, 08:57:20 pm
I agree with removal of Ninja_Smelly's admin rights, whoever the hell he is. Disgusting abuse. Makes me sick. What makes it worse is that Ninja_Smelly is a terrible player. AND a terrible person.

Down with Ninja_Smelly!
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Baggy on January 10, 2011, 09:05:02 pm
What age are you, 5?
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on January 10, 2011, 09:10:42 pm
Hah, wrong by a year, retard.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Penchik on January 10, 2011, 09:16:00 pm
Is that hard not to start a poll to ban? Admins must ban, not players. If you are kicked its not so hard to join again. And its not so hard to ignore provokers.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Radix on January 10, 2011, 09:20:54 pm
there is no justice on the world!! get used to!! if another car driver will insult u are u going to send a ban from life poll proposition to the god??

Edited: oh, and..... THIS-IS-SPARTAAAA
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: AirPhforce on January 10, 2011, 09:29:11 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.

Then play Mount and Blade to cool off.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2011, 09:32:32 pm
First thing first there is only one perfect server admin, thats me.

All other admins are just humans, and humans tend to make mistakes.


Insulting/ griefing is abuse of game chat.
However, its up to the admin who is present to decide if he kicks or bans or thinks that a warning is enough.

Usually we ignore "smaller" insults, simply because this community is so full of bad people, kids, drunk people, drunk kids, nerds, people with low intelligence, so that we could easily ban 100 people every evening for good (valid) reasons, probably more. So we focus on "major" insults.

Also, Varjag, you have insulted me and several others I have seen and you were (afaik) never ever punished. You cheated in duels, you teamattacked, you were not punished once (afaik). So cry louder.

Lastly, its ridiculous to demand to take some admins "power" away because he has kicked you. Even if (IF, I was not present, so IF) his decision was wrong, as I said, he is human, noone died, you were kicked, thats it.

I dont follow you, but its obvious that you are an immature brat that tends to rage and thinks it is more important and should have more rights than other players. Maybe you think you are so special because you are in Mercs, I dont know. Rules are the same for everyone.



ALL: Watch your words, check your own behavior, study the server rules. Its not okay to insult other people because you are in a bad mood/ had a bad day. Its not the other guys fault when you are frustrated. Playing crpg is a gift, not a given right. Keep that in mind. I am tired of warning. So prepare getting kicked or even banned for insulting for the "lolz".
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Ishar on January 10, 2011, 09:32:52 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.

If someone calls you a pussy on the street, and you knock him out, the police will arrest only one of you. Guess which one.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: BD_Guard_Bane on January 10, 2011, 09:35:27 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.

Huh. I might give that a try. What I usually do is run away and cry (where they can't see me, or I just hide my face so they don't know I'm crying). But then, maybe it won't work so well - I'm a very small guy (1/4 of a meter tall), almost unnaturally small in fact.

Are the results of your method generally good? Does it teach them a lesson? I once punched a dog in the face and it bit me (it was a terrier), so I'm a bit dubious about the whole idea.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:35:54 pm
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If someone calls you a pussy on the street, and you knock him out, the police will arrest only one of you. Guess which one.
Police? All I can say about street police is LOL.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Radix on January 10, 2011, 09:35:58 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.

U are some sort of a bully then and u aren't any better than poeple insulting u :) I would punch someone only if that person would insult my girlfriend. The random insults especialy the traffic ones which are very often deserve for ignore and nothing more.

yeah but looking at ur posts u are full of anger and u obviusly had a need to share with everyone that u are a big guy so just calm down and remember that u arent the only big guy on the world so maybe practice some less dirastic ways of resolving problems.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Gash on January 10, 2011, 09:37:20 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.

If it happened in hockey, you'd be the only one punished with a 5 minute major penalty or even a game suspension.  :mrgreen:

Grow some thicker skin and ignore the trolls.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Gorath on January 10, 2011, 09:45:42 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.

While I agree that people that talk shit IRL deserve a good sock to the jaw, this one line (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy) is just lol as hell and makes you sound more like a 4-foot midget with little man complex.

Varyag:
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Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Alex_C on January 10, 2011, 09:46:17 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.

Perhaps the lessons you've learnt here today will help to civilize you and steer you from the path of the simple brute.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: AirPhforce on January 10, 2011, 09:48:52 pm
Quote from: Radix on January 10, 2011, 09:35:58 pm
U are some sort of a bully

No he just sounds very Russian.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:54:10 pm
Praise Gorath, the greatest warrior evah!
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Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Gorath on January 10, 2011, 09:58:46 pm
I miss my powerglove :(
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Ishar on January 10, 2011, 09:59:09 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:35:54 pm
Police? All I can say about street police is LOL.
I know, you punch them in the face too.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 10, 2011, 09:59:34 pm
I know smelly, He is fair, but kicks alot. I was kicked by him, for accidentaly tking because of my ping(was end of round my team won, I was holding a attack with a very long weapon i let go and pressed the block to stop it but it kept hitting b/c my ping was 899). He is ok, he actually listens to the players when they complain about someone. Also he just kicked you, you can go on the server again, its not like a 30 minute or perma ban.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: RandomDude on January 10, 2011, 10:11:06 pm
Dont u remember the good old days, when anyone could poll about anything?

Dont like the map? Poll

Dont like the way someone plays? Poll

Dont like the way you died? Poll

Dont like the poll result? Poll


Everyone was sick of the constant polls, to the extent that a templar rule was "templars do not poll" bcos it became so fucking annoying, right?

I dont think that a stupid poll always deserves a kick, but i think a game admin makes decisions based on the current situation and what he thinks best resolves a situation.

Also we are just players too and might not always make the best decision that we could with hind-sight.

Sorting a situation out is not abusing. Kicking a player because the admin doesnt like him, or for some other personal reason, is abuse.

Also as Thomek said - if u get kicked, rejoin, or if the server is pwd'd and u simply can only play there, take some time out to chill and reflect on the last few minutes, and then rejoin with a clearer head.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Dwarden on January 10, 2011, 10:17:39 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 07:15:38 pm
kicked from server Eu 5 by admin? Ninja_Smelly
Reason : I initiated a ban vote for player Gol that insulted me by calling me pussy.
I ask superior admins to remove admin rights from player Ninja_Smelly.

Proof screenshot:
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interesting ...
wasn't i kicked by same person for TKing repeatedly after i got TK killed and wounded by someone else ?
(more like kicked for defending myself from the TKer not even killed him)
also when i tried to explain it was kicked again and again ...

in short ... the TK problem should be resolved by forgive by victim/autokick system not trigger happy admins
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on January 10, 2011, 10:18:34 pm
Good thread, good thread.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Leshma on January 10, 2011, 10:20:04 pm
Entertainment in it's purest form  :D
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Ozwan on January 10, 2011, 10:21:34 pm
Quote from: Varyag on January 10, 2011, 09:25:33 pm
In real life, when people insult me (and it happens very rare, cos I am a big guy), I often punch them in the face.

 :lol:


This thread reminds me of a certain thread in the past where Varyag felt insulted too and decided to take a certain course of action to regain his in-game honor.  :lol:
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: John on January 10, 2011, 10:27:03 pm
I didn't realize people were taking steroids to help with their Warband play.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Golradir on January 10, 2011, 10:32:27 pm
Quote from: Ozwan on January 10, 2011, 10:21:34 pm
:lol:


This thread reminds me of a certain thread in the past where Varyag felt insulted too and decided to take a certain course of action to regain his in-game honor.  :lol:
did..did u just sig that?  :shock:
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Ozwan on January 10, 2011, 10:48:03 pm
What? No I didnt. It mustve sigged itself just out of pure epicness.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Goretooth on January 10, 2011, 11:21:17 pm
Wah wah
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Babelfish on January 10, 2011, 11:41:16 pm
Quote from: Dwarden on January 10, 2011, 10:17:39 pm
interesting ...
wasn't i kicked by same person for TKing repeatedly after i got TK killed and wounded by someone else ?
(more like kicked for defending myself from the TKer not even killed him)
also when i tried to explain it was kicked again and again ...

in short ... the TK problem should be resolved by forgive by victim/autokick system not trigger happy admins

I was there, and it was me that reported you to smelly. Witnessed you attacking your cavalry teammate several times. There is something to be learned from that experience;

'Admins cannot always see who started it, so never be the one that finish it, you will be kicked/banned'.
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Baggy on January 10, 2011, 11:52:51 pm
Quote from: Goretooth on January 10, 2011, 11:21:17 pm
Wah wah
Wahhhhh....
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Michael on January 11, 2011, 12:02:41 am
Quote from: RandomDude on January 10, 2011, 10:11:06 pm
I dont think that a stupid poll always deserves a kick,

A random poll, aka a poll for no valid reason, violates our server rules, and needs to be punished.
In most cases it fails.
If not, the person who did nothing wrong is banned for 30 mins.
Fair?
I dont think so.
There is no chance to catch those cowards that press 1, but you can punish the person who started it.
But this has nothing to do with Varjags case, since he had (at least in his opinion) a valid reason, being insulted.
However, he was only kicked, not banned, so in the worst case he lost his multiplicator. If this kick was necessary, or if another warning had been enough, that is like you said, the admin who was present did what he could, what he felt is right to get control over the situation.

In Varjags words: When a police officer sees you punch someone in the face because the other guy has insulted you, he will (or at least should) interrupt. Its up to the police officer to decide if its enough to "threaten" you, or if its better to attack you physically. Bah, I am too old for this shit. Way too old.

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Also we are just players too -except Finished, he is god- and might not always make the best decision that we could -except Finished, he is always right- with hind-sight.

Fixed it for you, I hope you dont mind it.


Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Radix on January 11, 2011, 12:35:47 am
actualy is it seriusly so much going on about a KICK and INSULT?? gosh soon ppl will make threads like: The guy spammed his 2h and killed me and I am so ofended by that, spamming is lame therefore I request a ban.... I woudl just lock the thread ;)
Title: Re: admin abuse. Kicked from server
Post by: Salamol on January 11, 2011, 01:53:33 am
Thanks guys, this thread was made of win!