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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Varyag on June 04, 2011, 06:47:37 pm
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On DTV maps we get only half of the XP/GOLD. Is it a bug or DTV has been nerfed?
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I think you only get 1/3th of what it shows ingame.
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I think its an anti-leeching thing.
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Only played about 5 minutes of DTV as I find it horribly boring, and haven't paid that much attention to it. But from what I gathered when it first came along with the new patch it was mostly agreed that it was way to easy to get and keep a multiplier, and thus the xp and gold was cut to 1/3rd of regular to not make it a xp/gold grinding fest and keep it more in line with regular modes like battle and siege.
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Is there any official information about that?
Only played about 5 minutes of DTV as I find it horribly boring, and haven't paid that much attention to it. But from what I gathered when it first came along with the new patch it was mostly agreed that it was way to easy to get and keep a multiplier, and thus the xp and gold was cut to 1/3rd of regular to not make it a xp/gold grinding fest and keep it more in line with regular modes like battle and siege.
It's about time when everybody have grinded generations and MW guns.
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Only played about 5 minutes of DTV as I find it horribly boring, and haven't paid that much attention to it. But from what I gathered when it first came along with the new patch it was mostly agreed that it was way to easy to get and keep a multiplier, and thus the xp and gold was cut to 1/3rd of regular to not make it a xp/gold grinding fest and keep it more in line with regular modes like battle and siege.
As I can see, you only played 5 minutes of DTV, your opinion is then worthless.
Without a very organized group (a clan), we never get through x2-x3.
Way easier to play siege and grind money in my opinion.
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Only played about 5 minutes of DTV as I find it horribly boring, and haven't paid that much attention to it. But from what I gathered when it first came along with the new patch it was mostly agreed that it was way to easy to get and keep a multiplier, and thus the xp and gold was cut to 1/3rd of regular to not make it a xp/gold grinding fest and keep it more in line with regular modes like battle and siege.
Surely you must mean "to keep it a xp/gold grindfest" because currently that is what the other modes are.I agree with you on DTV even though the mobs are tough there isnt much to it.The only reason for me to do it would be to be able to earn enough gold to be able to afford to wear armor in the other modes and to get some levels but if they are nerfing it to be a grind like the other modes there is no purpose to it for me and coupled with the constant server kicks I just dont even do it.The Blackrose server was the only one I could even stay in w/o being kicked and they havnt done a dtv one in awhile so it is all a pass for me.
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nerfs everywhere..... :cry:
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DTV is only worth the time when there's a clan organizing things, and everyone cooperates.
It's a refreshing no-brainer mode to play between intense battles...
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How refreshing to see DTV servers nearly empty. :)
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I think you only get 1/3th of what it shows ingame.
What's with the repair costs? Do you have to pay 1/3 of what is shown or do you have to pay the full price?
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What's with the repair costs? Do you have to pay 1/3 of what is shown or do you have to pay the full price?
Full price, but you don't really need an expensive equipment, and you can't bring horses anyway.
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DTV is only worth the time when there's a clan organizing things, and everyone cooperates.
It's a refreshing no-brainer mode to play between intense battles...
Ha! The clans generally screw up DTV games. On the original map with the ruins, Kapikulu clan-stacked and insisted everyone follow their doomed strategy of defending the tower. Then on the new map, HRE clan stackers refused to let anyone else guard the door, had their shielders stand in the wrong place and cost everyone else several rounds. The real enemy is people pursuing their own agenda, whether it's clans stacking or kill-hungry Rambos not sticking to the plan.
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Ok, so the reason this was nerfed was that people barely have x2 in this mode. In other modes, you will have x1 half the time, as over half the players lose every battle (because of autobalance). In this mod you get x1 for three waves, then x2 for three waves and so on. So ye, maybe it needed a nerf. On the other hand, I saw a lot of teams who couldnt even beat 2nd wave, which ment they had x1 for more time than the other modes.
Yesterday, in battle, we (the guards) grouped up and dominated a server for a couple of hours, which gave me x5 for most of the time. If we vent DTV instead, we would maybe get x5 for a wave or two. We would be a good organised group, but we would still lose A LOT on being on DTV, thats before the nerf. After the nerf, we dont even care, as this mod now punish people for playing. The income vs repair costs is way too low, and we would have to go in naked with a shield or a wep to at all have a chance to keep it balanced. I hope that this nerf is gonna be redone.
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A better alternative to nerfing xp/gold would be to make more open maps with less possibilities for exploits of all kinds. Clans will still make nice new strategies, but it would be a lot more difficult then before, while clanless players can have their own share of fun and xp/gold.
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Argh okay so its back to 1/3 again :?:
Guess its pointless to play it again then :|
Rest in pieces DTV
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A better alternative to nerfing xp/gold would be to make more open maps with less possibilities for exploits of all kinds. Clans will still make nice new strategies, but it would be a lot more difficult then before, while clanless players can have their own share of fun and xp/gold.
BUMP +1
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Guess its pointless to play it again then :|
As pointless as the other modes, I guess, at least if you're playing for fun, teamwork, etc. instead of grinding.
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A better alternative to nerfing xp/gold would be to make more open maps with less possibilities for exploits of all kinds. Clans will still make nice new strategies, but it would be a lot more difficult then before, while clanless players can have their own share of fun and xp/gold.
a better alternative would be boosting xp on the other modes... but devs keep nerfing nerfing nerfing.
now even to hit level 30 for a gen1 is a pain.
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I would buff DTV instead of nerfing.
Thanks to the ranged spam it is impossible to play this game with no shield , low level character on battle servers.
Why not keeping DTV as sanctuary for newbies,low levels and people who lack of teamwork who wish to improve it ?
In my opinion grinding is a waste of time and pain in the arse.Making it last longer is just so fucking cruel ! :evil:
You already nerfed exp gain thingy,on market you can see prices are sooo expensive .
It is just a pointless and unnecessary nerf .
No one plays DTV for fun,go play L4D if you want to fight against hordes of brainless zombies.Everyone used to play it for exp/gold now you fucked that up :(
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Then on the new map, HRE clan stackers refused to let anyone else guard the door, had their shielders stand in the wrong place and cost everyone else several rounds.
i dont much remember of you or i would have written your errors here but
we refused to let others stay there because most players are total kill greedy noobs 1hitting us poor shielders, i mean come on its not so hard to overhead or stab to kill, but no way most of the noobs leftswing and damage the shielders so yeah im happy if a clan mate is there who knows whats hes doing.
and we didnt place wrong we blocked the door no enemy can come in, no idiots can go out if thats your definiton of wrong place then yeah lol
you dont need bother answering im not reading this thread again.
but yeah it was fine that its nerfed what was going on on eu4 pecores was really abusing nothing else
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Ya Guys, don't be nervous.
You see, DTV was great mode for new players.
I play crpg for something about 2 weaks and it was my favorite game mode.
When I first joined battle/siege servers I hadn't any chance to stay alive for more than few seconds.
It was veeeeery annoying and then I joined DTV.
Here I earned some money for my first armor, weapon and learned a bit how to fight in multi.
I was playing DTV and duel servers, to earn some money and learn how to fight.
Now I spend all my money to repair my equipment and I must sell what I have, becouse it's hard to play battle or siege game mode (especially with great team ballance script) for me at the moment.
I don't think that it was a good idea to degrade DTV servers
Btw. now on DTV are playing only random players, it's hard to get even through nomads. DTV is dying
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And the other thing is:
It's not about how it's hard to earn money
It's about how it's easy to lose money
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Stop nerfing everywhere and work on strategus....
The old DTV was a farm fest now if u are not organized DTV is not so easy and u nerf it another time... no words, so tell me why u add this mod if every time u nerf it, why ppl have to play DTV instead siege or battle? For less exp? Bah...
Btw siege and battle are always full so isn't true that everyone play DTV.
If u don't want ppl play DTV take it off and and go back to old cRPG with only battle and siege.
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DTV is now the opposite from what it was,
Before you were gain money
Now you are losing money.
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DTV is now the opposite from what it was,
Before you were gain money
Now you are losing money.
+1
I enjoy DTV simply because of the teamwork; when you have a good team. The last few times I played I lost 1000's in gold and since the team wasn't organized, and everybody wanted to kill rather than do their job we never made it past Weeboo's (very seldom past peasants.) I couldn't imagine what the tincans and other heavily armored fighters/shielders lost. It is not as easy as everyone thinks (especially since all the teamplayers have left.)
Now that it seems it may be dying; I would like to thank everyone who played as a team...especially the shielders who received no recognition on the scoreboard, but they were vital and our backbone. Every kill I got was touched by a shielder!!!
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Yesterday we were playing DTV for something about 2/3 hours.
After this time most of players noticed that They lost all their money.
My friend Riko lost 14k.
All becouse that game still shows full pay of gold and exp and many players can't use even medium armor,
or they will lose all their money too.
It's nosens now.
We can't afford to take better equipment (especially for Vitez, Engeniers),
couse with x5 multilpier repairs are still much higher than we can earn from the game.
Is's very hard to make a team now, most of time we end on bandits, becouse the most of the shielders have gone.
I don't see any sense in making game mode, watching how people enjoy it and then ruin everything.
What can I say? Great job.
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Just make the upkeep cost 50% of the actual cost problem solved..
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I love playing DTV not only it requires great teamwork but it's easier to get to know other players in there.
I met most of my friends in cRPG in DTV and duel server, theyr great players with different skills, I joined the Wolves Clan thanks to DTV. It's not as easy as some ppl think. For example, without good organization the team cant even survive the second round of bandits, and xbowers from the Vitez and the engineers making 2hander like me impossible to survive without a shielder to cover myslef(even I have 11 ironflesh and wearing plate their head shots are insanely accurate normally 2~3 shots im dead) .
With good teamwork sure you can easily earn money and xp there but without, you will just keep losing money, I think we deserve every penny and xp we earned. Every time im broke or tired of battle and siege I play DTV, but now it's just impossible to play that mode since the money earned cant even cover our repairing fees. The mode became pointless now.
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More reward for DTV please. Maybe add gold/exp for each kill (whole team)
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i dont much remember of you or i would have written your errors here but
we refused to let others stay there because most players are total kill greedy noobs 1hitting us poor shielders
I don't want to dwell on this too long, but that's not true in my case; I was a shielder and your clansmen kicked me away from the door so you could put your own man there. After a few failures, your shielders did learn where to stand, but at first you were clan stacking and messing it all up. All it needs at the door is two shielders who know how close to stand (a lot either try and stand in the doorway or too far back) and two spammers with nasty 2h/polearms to do the killing. It's a bit boring for the second line, because they only get kills when a bot manages to slip through but it's the way to win.
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RIGHT NOW, I am looking at the listings. DTV has 12, regular battle has 89. I do believe that says something about it's popularity. Maybe there need to be some changes.
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Im in the belieave they nerfed it for people to start playing seige again :mrgreen:
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I see there is no eu 6 server now
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umm, 1/3rd repair costs seems reasonable. atm x5 isnt enough to cover repair bill
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I don't want to dwell on this too long, but that's not true in my case; I was a shielder and your clansmen kicked me away from the door so you could put your own man there. After a few failures, your shielders did learn where to stand, but at first you were clan stacking and messing it all up. All it needs at the door is two shielders who know how close to stand (a lot either try and stand in the doorway or too far back) and two spammers with nasty 2h/polearms to do the killing. It's a bit boring for the second line, because they only get kills when a bot manages to slip through but it's the way to win.
Oh, well our rule was everyone gets a chance as spammer or as shielder, even second one because mistakes can happen.
Only proven failures were "removed" from key positions. Think about it, next.
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DTV was actually pretty reasonable with full income/exp.
You just need to limit it to the right kind of maps, as in its current form it is actually very hard, and requires good gear.
With 1/3rd exp/gold, there isn't any reason to do DTV other than for funsies, as you lose more money and gain less than on regular servers, generally speaking.
Since it's only fun for the hell of it when your tired of other modes, and you're penalized for playing it, why the hell would anyone want to play DTV?
Edit: one possibility would be change it back to full exp/gold, then limit DTV with river/plains/mountainous maps with no buildings/trees, and make the NPC's a little easier.
A giant melee might be a lot more fun than camping, and harder to keep going for many rounds at a time.
PS. making the rounds shorter but harder to win would be nice.
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TBH be fair it was a bit too easy money and xp and i think 1/3 is fine but its the upkeep that makes it unplayable imo..
Make it 2/3 and half the upkeep so then it should be fine yeah?
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TBH be fair it was a bit too easy money and xp and i think 1/3 is fine but its the upkeep that makes it unplayable imo..
Make it 2/3 and half the upkeep so then it should be fine yeah?
ehm..No! 2/5 income, 2/5 upkeep.
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The upkeep rate isn't really important as in DTV you can hang around with very limited gear (you don't need that much armor when the teamwork is ok).
However :
DTV was actually pretty reasonable with full income/exp.
You just need to limit it to the right kind of maps, as in its current form it is actually very hard, and requires good gear.
With 1/3rd exp/gold, there isn't any reason to do DTV other than for funsies, as you lose more money and gain less than on regular servers, generally speaking.
Since it's only fun for the hell of it when your tired of other modes, and you're penalized for playing it, why the hell would anyone want to play DTV?
Edit: one possibility would be change it back to full exp/gold, then limit DTV with river/plains/mountainous maps with no buildings/trees, and make the NPC's a little easier.
A giant melee might be a lot more fun than camping, and harder to keep going for many rounds at a time.
PS. making the rounds shorter but harder to win would be nice.
Your suggestion looks promising. As it is, camping is the only way to win, and most players simply wait and watch the money rolling slowly. A harder, high reward, more intense and less exploit prone DTV would be better. Flat maps with nearly nothing to defend, but with less bots would do the trick I think.
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Ya I see the topic is dead.
Same as DTV game mode.
Is it really so hard just to make 50% upkeep?
Is it really so much easier to make only gold and exp gathering on 50%?