or just censor nothing and let people make their own decisions verbally and deal with the eSocial eRepercussions^ this please this why cant everything be this
or just censor nothing and let people make their own decisions verbally and deal with the eSocial eRepercussionsya thats what i want lmao. but the ruleset is hypocritical so im pointing it out
wow so your buddy got picked on who picks on others here and now it should be ok to say whatever you want because you are just "fooling around" got it.
That isn't the point. The point is that the admins are being inconsistent with the enforcement of the rules. Either censor all forms of harassing words, or don't censor at all.sry i edited too late
thank u for ur informative posts we will be sure to take ur well crafted arguments into accountfuck off. what a bunch of whiny retards. your post makes zero sense. it's like you're trying to say two different things. first, you whine about how hypocritical it is that ppl get muted for dropping n bombs but not for making fun or narmin's race or religion. if you're trying to say that the ppl making fun of your boyfriend should be muted, then i guess you have a point because it's against the server rules.
it's hard to understand what the argument is here other than that admins should stop muting people at all. Give some examples of specific admins muting specific players over specific instances and we can better judge things on a case by base basis. Even if a muting is retroactively judged as unjust, so what?
If you act like trash in chat, you should expect to be treated as such.
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Maybe you cRPG admins are so vindictive that you feel you MUST immediately punish bad behavior. That's your prerogative. You'll end up punishing a lot more players that way, not all of whom are bad people.
in other news:
god hates long mauls
Well Assington once got banned by James for making fun of muslims so it has happened before. I didn't even know Narmin still played tho tbh.
Also, kids these days weren't even around during the great ban exodus of desire a strat or two ago. This actually IS lightening of the ruleset compared to the past.(click to show/hide)
saying the N word gets you muted/kicked, probably because its not inclusive blah blah blah, yet making fun of narmins ethnicity, religion, race etc etc is fine? I get how narmins toxic but if some black guy came on and was toxic too, I'd imagine calling him the N word would still result in a mute or kick. all this shows is how the admins don't really give a shit. When people say the N word its generally without context and just fucking around yet when people make fun of narmins religion, ethnicity, country etc etc Its targeted and specificly made to offend him.
For the record I don't really care, neither does narmin, I think you should be allowed to say whatever you want, its just stupid how the admins blatantly turn a blind eye and sometimes join in on the remarks. If you really care about censorship and making crpg more inclusive, you should censor it all.
Lastly for anyone that wants to chime in, id urge/ask you try to look at this in the bigger picture. As I said above, if someone black came on and was constantly trash talking etc etc would it be ok to call him the N word? I'd imagine the answer would be no (at least according to the admins who enforce this rule).
actually that was sugar
you also once banned me after sugar TK'd you
the admins who actually call the shots in this mod are just NPCs.
I keep telling you, Sugar isnt real man. Take the medicine, its there to help
let me just i say i don't really care, but i'm going to whine about it in game as well as make an entire thread on the forum about itWhat Im trying to say is that I care about the admins being consistent in their rules. So I'm pointing it out. I don't care about people making fun of narmin or saying the N word. Whatever the rule is, the admins should be consistent in enforcing it.
fuck off. what a bunch of whiny retards. your post makes zero sense. it's like you're trying to say two different things. first, you whine about how hypocritical it is that ppl get muted for dropping n bombs but not for making fun or narmin's race or religion. if you're trying to say that the ppl making fun of your boyfriend should be muted, then i guess you have a point because it's against the server rules.lmao chill. Im saying that the admins are inconsistent in enforcing there rules. When I said that everyone should be free to say whatever they want that was me saying my opinion. My opinion on what should be done is not happening so I think the admins should be consistent in there rules, and not turn a blind eye to other, equally as bad, racist remarks.however, this is clearly not the case because you then say that everybody should be free to say whatever they want without getting muted. it's obvious that you're just assblasted about getting muted for dropping n bombs. i can say with confidence that i alone have dropped more n bombs than you and your boyfriends combined. everybody fucking hates you. is it really that surprising that no one is willing to come to your defense?(click to show/hide)
opinion from my experience as the head admin of the native battle server, from running many 200 man events for years in NW, and my observations watching other admins.And yet the native na battle server is dead most of the time and when it isnt it usually devolves into people tk in spawn intentionally and dies off.
The most trouble I ever see from trolls and edge lords is when admins rule with an iron fist. The more an admin flexes their power the more a subset of players will be taking up arms against them. In the end you might end up muting or banning half a dozen or more players.
Practically speaking: I would let 1 player slur occasionally, rather than mute/ban them immediately and then subsequently have to do the same to another half dozen players taking up arms out of spite. Almost every time I see rampant flaming/racism/whatever on GK TDM, it is because an admin was too quick with the punishments.
In my admin experience, letting players express themselves how they wish is the best way to keep things under control. The occasional slur will be thrown out, and luckily we are all grown adults so we can handle that, and personally judge the character of the offender as we see fit. Admins are not needed until it is truly obnoxious and out of control, which I find rarely happens if you let players do what they want.
Maybe you cRPG admins are so vindictive that you feel you MUST immediately punish bad behavior. That's your prerogative. You'll end up punishing a lot more players that way, not all of whom are bad people.
in other news:
god hates long mauls
it's hard to understand what the argument is here other than that admins should stop muting people at all. Give some examples of specific admins muting specific players over specific instances and we can better judge things on a case by case basis. Even if a muting is retroactively judged as unjust, so what?
If you act like trash in chat, you should expect to be treated as such.
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And yet the native na battle server is dead most of the time and when it isnt it usually devolves into people tk in spawn intentionally and dies off.
The only decent na battle server was Ronin.
Yeah I got on native a few days when crpg was dead planning to gk tdm and saw 30 ppl on battle so I went there. The very first rounds had Tsb Ruth, Manry and a few others repeatedly spwn killing. They killed me and a bunch of others then started saying I was tk in spawn and they ban polled me and I was kicked for no fkn reason.
the rule isn't hypocritical, the enforcement is hypocritical. admins are expected to mute as per the rules (No abuse of in-game chat (racism, insulting, griefing, spamming...)) for all offenses. however, if this is done, sometimes what grimsight says happens and the server erupts in "civil disobedience," leading to more mutes and bans which is a situation no one is happy about. i've also been one of the "muh freedom of speech" guys who, on principle, would have these rules tossed. but seriously, is this not a thread based on who accrues more points on the victim scale? you're upset because admins mute on their own discretion and friend is higher than muslim on the offensive chart? in our society we can argue about how all offensive remarks should be held on the same pedestal, but in reality "friend" is the higher than all other insults for obvious reasons. because of this, people are more inclined to use it to be offensive because the word is just that: more offensive than other words. given this fact, i think it's understandable why there is a difference in punishment between the two words, kind of like how 2 tws are treated differently than 2 tks.
since you also brought up narmin, people give him shit because he's a complete retard who deserves to get shittalked for the amount of mindless garbage he spews in the server. he's a bad example to use because he himself should be muted as per the rules because of how toxic he is. ***disclaimer*** narmin does not shittalk, for imo shittalk must rely on some level of banter in order to be affable (i.e. GOBBLINKING personality), where as narmin insults people.
at the end of the day, the rules aren't going to change and everyone that decides to break the rules should at lease be man enough to take the punishment. if your rule breaking goes unpunished, consider yourself lucky.
as someone who has admin and lacks a personal mute button, i can totally understand why some people get muted more than others.
It's always fascinating to find someone who can talk so much but say so little. This thread is about consistency of rule enforcement, not some 6d commentary on the state of free speech in our society, nor is it about who has more points on the victim scale. We've already stated multiple times that we don't personally care about insults directed towards narmin, but are instead confused as to why rules are being inconsistently enforced in regards to discriminatory language.
sounds like you got owned asheramI never even got the chance to play so I guess you are right.
Yeah I got on native a few days when crpg was dead planning to gk tdm and saw 30 ppl on battle so I went there. The very first rounds had Tsb Ruth, Manry and a few others repeatedly spwn killing. They killed me and a bunch of others then started saying I was tk in spawn and they ban polled me and I was kicked for no fkn reason. So I went and played gk tdm and 5-10 minutes later they showed up there spewing the same crap. I went to check battle pop and it was 8 down from 30 in 5 minutes.
I always prefer battle over tdm or seige but I wont be visiting na battle anymore.
Hopefully in time you will be able to move on from the trauma that is Warband teamkilling.
Don't worry. Once I get admin I will mute for F-Words and N-Words.Did you even read what he said or are you trying to sound stupid on purpose? "Maybe if I say something 'funny' I'll get likes even though it has nothing to do with the conversation at all and no one finds it funny."
I'm not trying to play the victim card"free speech! free speech! everyone should be able to say whatever they want without getting muted! friend friend friend friend friend friend friend! friend!"
Ok well if the whole point is just a recommendation for the entire admin team to be truly consistent in how they deal with the broad issue of in game chat racism (and verbal abuse?) I would say your recommendation is unreasonable to expect and more than a little bit naive.im just giving feedback to the admin team. even morris admitted I have a point in the argument im making. I really hope that every time admins get criticized you dont resort to "we are human too!!!! we make mistakes as well!!!" let me ask this, why is the N word banned? If its something completely unrelated with it being offensive then Ill admit im retarded and just lock the thread, but If it is to do with something along the lines of it being offensive, maybe theres a black member in the community or whatever the fuck reason you give, then id bet that your reasoning can be applied with people making remarks about islam. I feel like the only reason you people are disagreeing with me is because narmins incredibly toxic and you dont wanna shift the rules to help him
In game administration amounts to little more than in the moment judgement calls that each individual admin makes in an effort to keep people playing while following the basic rules. It will always be case by case, there will never be actual consistency. Remember, admins are just as dumb as you are.
Again, the problem is inconsistency. Either you censor it all or you censor nothing.
moddb doesn't matter
Make me badmin I will mute for everything.Bro these kids would have to be crazy to make you an admin. You know all you would do is look for any reason to mute/ban everyone who pissed you off til you got fired.
I have banned the word "the" from being used henceforth. Consistency will be valued, do not try and circumvent this.T|-|3
I have banned the word "the" from being used henceforth. Consistency will be valued, do not try and circumvent this.what about da?