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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Deus Immortalis on April 15, 2018, 05:30:21 pm

Title: A proposed tweak
Post by: Deus Immortalis on April 15, 2018, 05:30:21 pm
If you have ever seen me in-game chances are I was using the Milanese armor together with the Great Bascinet. Long story short I got annoyed at how the Great Bascinet had no rigging, and decided to fix that myself (not the hard way mind you).

So I copied a rigging of one of Narfs packs, pasted it on and from what I saw it worked fine. At the same time I decided to remove the besagews (those round thingies) from the milanese armor set.

Pic:
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Anyhow, the 'milanese set' is not really milanese, it's french. Well it is milanese, but it was made in french style for a german count. Confusing I know. So my proposal is;

Paste some rigging on the Great Helm
Remove the besagews from the milanese set because they're piss ugly
Rename the armor to 'French Plate'

If the devs are too lazy, I have a brf file with this all done. All credit goes to Narf and whoever made that great helmet.
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Casul on April 15, 2018, 05:36:40 pm
If I'd get 1 dollar for every pixel on that pic, I'd have 8 dollars.

Edit: Now that I look at it on PC, its looks good, idk whats wrong on the mobile version....
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Golem on April 15, 2018, 06:19:53 pm
hax
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: the real god emperor on April 15, 2018, 06:24:59 pm
what a god
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Jona on April 15, 2018, 06:56:00 pm
#Freethemetalnipple
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Heibai on April 15, 2018, 07:04:58 pm
Do you want to get stabbed in your armpits?
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Deus Immortalis on April 15, 2018, 08:55:22 pm
Quote from: Heibai on April 15, 2018, 07:04:58 pm
Do you want to get stabbed in your armpits?

It is preferable to looking ugly asf

Quote from: Kratos on April 15, 2018, 06:24:59 pm
what a god

Glad someone finally noticed. I mean it's not like it's in mah name or anything
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Kadeth on April 16, 2018, 05:53:46 am
Quote from: Cassi on April 15, 2018, 05:36:40 pm
If I'd get 1 dollar for every pixel on that pic, I'd have 8 dollars.

>be european
>have 8 or more dollars
pick one
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Morris on April 16, 2018, 06:30:55 am
Quote from: Deus Immortalis on April 15, 2018, 05:30:21 pm
Anyhow, the 'milanese set' is not really milanese, it's french. Well it is milanese, but it was made in french style for a german count.

is this what people are into these days?
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Deus Immortalis on April 16, 2018, 09:16:05 am
Quote from: Morris on April 16, 2018, 06:30:55 am
is this what people are into these days?

No, just me
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Sniger on April 16, 2018, 12:11:07 pm
Quote from: Deus Immortalis on April 15, 2018, 05:30:21 pm
At the same time I decided to remove the besagews (those round thingies) from the milanese armor set.
"Besagues are circular defences designed to protect the armpits, as part of a harness of plate armour. The armpits are the location of the axillary arteries, and protecting them was therefore vital. Armour without besagues might employ larger shoulder defenses, such as winged pauldrons or simply leave the mail beneath exposed."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besagew

imo they should stay but not really a biggie
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Deus Immortalis on April 16, 2018, 09:04:38 pm
Quote from: Sniger on April 16, 2018, 12:11:07 pm
"Besagues are circular defences designed to protect the armpits, as part of a harness of plate armour. The armpits are the location of the axillary arteries, and protecting them was therefore vital. Armour without besagues might employ larger shoulder defenses, such as winged pauldrons or simply leave the mail beneath exposed."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besagew

imo they should stay but not really a biggie

Sure, if this were real life? Is it tho?

No, armor doesn't work that way in this mod. And so coolness < Besagews
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: bensai on April 18, 2018, 10:01:58 am
if you try and take away the great bascinet model we have right now im fucking out. the last truly ugly piece of shit armor i can wear out to display how chad i am. one thats not the already trademarked pigface klappvisor
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Deus Immortalis on April 18, 2018, 11:30:49 am
Quote from: bensai on April 18, 2018, 10:01:58 am
if you try and take away the great bascinet model we have right now im fucking out. the last truly ugly piece of shit armor i can wear out to display how chad i am. one thats not the already trademarked pigface klappvisor

I did not say to take it away. I said to add some fucking rigging to it.

The helmet is quite cool when used with the proper armor tbh. I used to hate it, but when you start to get interested in 14th and 15th century armor it grows on you. I quite like it

And the proper armor is the milanese set, since the milanese set is actually French (but is also very close to english style) and that great bascinet is in French/English style too. It's purrefect
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Sniger on April 18, 2018, 11:51:35 am
Quote from: Deus Immortalis on April 16, 2018, 09:04:38 pm
Sure, if this were real life? Is it tho?

No, armor doesn't work that way in this mod. And so coolness < Besagews

its just not that, but keeping things realistic also adds to the learning-part, for example in this case, some people may not know about these armour feats. and why they were used, mount & blade is based on realism. but like i said, its no biggie, im just expressing my thoughts since you asked for it. i did upvote + voted yes
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Blackbow on April 18, 2018, 03:50:03 pm
Quote from: Deus Immortalis on April 15, 2018, 05:30:21 pm


Anyhow, the 'milanese set' is not really milanese, it's french. Well it is milanese, but it was made in french style for a german count. Confusing I know

u wrong sir  like most of french things its
(click to show/hide)

now seriously it look great
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 18, 2018, 04:51:33 pm
As a haver of a +3 great bascinet, I'd be happy to see this change.

Personally I think it looks good with the grey corrazina body armor. The rigging would make it look fantastic together!
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Larvae on April 18, 2018, 05:29:49 pm
just put this armor u made ,with french plate as name into the shop,but give it because of missing nipples,2 less body armor or so ( because 2 nipples) ,i bet like 80 % of ppl will take the armor without nipples just because the other one is ugly as fuck^^
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 18, 2018, 08:45:53 pm
The nipples look good
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 18, 2018, 08:49:49 pm
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on April 18, 2018, 08:45:53 pm
The nipples look good

good signature material right here guys
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Deus Immortalis on April 18, 2018, 10:25:17 pm
Quote from: Sniger on April 18, 2018, 11:51:35 am
its just not that, but keeping things realistic also adds to the learning-part, for example in this case, some people may not know about these armour feats. and why they were used, mount & blade is based on realism. but like i said, its no biggie, im just expressing my thoughts since you asked for it. i did upvote + voted yes

I mean sure, I fully support this. The only issue is: people do not care. There are a million unhistorical armors in c-rpg anyway.

My second point is that one would purposedully not wear besagews in many cases. Some simply preferred them off. Like I do
The mail under the shoulders was generally enough to protect, from most things. Except really sharp points like lances and arrows/bolts, but that was a risk some were willing to take.

Anyhow, I don't mind besagews on real armors when I see them. They just don't look as good here.
Title: Re: A proposed tweak
Post by: Deus Immortalis on April 18, 2018, 10:33:55 pm
Quote from: Larvae on April 18, 2018, 05:29:49 pm
just put this armor u made ,with french plate as name into the shop,but give it because of missing nipples,2 less body armor or so ( because 2 nipples) ,i bet like 80 % of ppl will take the armor without nipples just because the other one is ugly as fuck^^

Well I did not actually make it, or even come up with the idea. I just saw it in another mod and it looked better. Don't remember which... might have been Mercs

Ah ye it was actually, since I then copied their texture values from OpenBRF to make the set more matching as they had. Not the textures themselves, just the numeric values.

I still removed the nipples myself, and copied the rigging from one of Narfs OSPs so I did not steal anything from them.