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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Afina on February 18, 2018, 06:39:09 pm

Title: HEAL DTV
Post by: Afina on February 18, 2018, 06:39:09 pm
Dear developers. please add health restoration for the horse.
After every wave the player's health is restored, do the same for his horse.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: Nightingale on February 19, 2018, 05:45:30 am
Horses in DTV are already ungodly OP. I'd rather not see horses health restored after each wave.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 19, 2018, 06:18:21 am
Yes please dont make horses op in DTV you wouldn't want those a.i. bots to get mad and leave.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: Telford on February 19, 2018, 12:00:25 pm
Horses in DTV are already ungodly OP. I'd rather not see horses health restored after each wave.

Throwing axe to head, horse is dead. Rip.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: War_Ferret on February 19, 2018, 05:50:20 pm
I don't know why horses would be so OP in DTV. The only thing OP in DTV is a meatgrinder formation. Bot AI actually works better against cavalry than against infantry. If you fight them on foot, they fall for every feint and you can usually just spam them. If you attack them from horse, it's much trickier not getting hit by outmaneuvering them. I really don't see the logic here... What about shields? Also OP, because bots don't have any clue what to do against them other than mindlessly bashing at them, while getting killed from beyond? Why do they restore HP after waves then? Horses don't even take a lot of hits, especially at high speed you make one mistake and you're down. It's just arbitrary, no real point here...
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: Nightingale on February 20, 2018, 04:14:35 pm
You are already able to avoid practically all incoming damage depending on how cautiously you play. If you play super aggressive I can see why you might want a horse heal but at the same time I think the way it is currently doesn't need to be changed. Your horses should only be getting damaged if you the player makes a mistake against the AI bots.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: njames89 on February 20, 2018, 04:51:47 pm
I now have a cav alt and I am very bad pls buff my horse so I can not suck in DTV
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: War_Ferret on February 20, 2018, 07:24:27 pm
You are already able to avoid practically all incoming damage depending on how cautiously you play. If you play super aggressive I can see why you might want a horse heal but at the same time I think the way it is currently doesn't need to be changed. Your horses should only be getting damaged if you the player makes a mistake against the AI bots.

Uhm, yes. If you stay away from enemies and don't make the mistake of "aggressively" attacking, then you are relatively safe, as long as you don't get shot by ranged. It's the same on foot, if you run fast enough or stand in an unreachable location btw. Do you even sometimes play cav?
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: njames89 on February 20, 2018, 07:41:33 pm
You are already able to avoid practically all incoming damage depending on how cautiously you play. If you play super aggressive I can see why you might want a horse heal but at the same time I think the way it is currently doesn't need to be changed. Your horses should only be getting damaged if you the player makes a mistake against the AI bots.

Uhm, yes. If you stay away from enemies and don't make the mistake of "aggressively" attacking, then you are relatively safe, as long as you don't get shot by ranged. It's the same on foot, if you run fast enough or stand in an unreachable location btw. Do you even sometimes play cav?

In my opinion it's not unreasonable to have cav regain health after a round as has been said here a stray ranged missile can nearly one shot even heavy +3 horses so I am definitely on team #HealTheHorses. Am I doing this right?
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: RD_Professor on February 20, 2018, 07:46:49 pm
it's entirely possible to win dtv by yourself on horse if you are patient enough. you can abuse the heck outta the AI's attack patterns and ensure you don't get hit, so nah horse healing ain't a good idea. them's already strong enough
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: njames89 on February 20, 2018, 07:48:11 pm
 :cry:
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: _Tamra_ on February 20, 2018, 07:50:00 pm
Healing horses would mean I'm basically invincible as Two-Handed cav with my charger, don't necessarily make DTV even easier.
Consider adding fun stuff to DTV like Construction sites for admins only (to prevent extreme exploit) but nothing else.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: War_Ferret on February 20, 2018, 08:12:00 pm
it's entirely possible to win dtv by yourself on horse if you are patient enough. you can abuse the heck outta the AI's attack patterns and ensure you don't get hit, so nah horse healing ain't a good idea. them's already strong enough

Just as possible as standing behind a fence with a pike or some other long weapon. Still nothing but arbitrary.

edit: The whole game mode is about abuse btw. Maybe you should look at my DTV reform thread, if you seriously want to do something about it. And while you're at it, you can give an official statement why we can't see damage messages in the chat log.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: War_Ferret on February 20, 2018, 08:12:45 pm
In my opinion it's not unreasonable to have cav regain health after a round as has been said here a stray ranged missile can nearly one shot even heavy +3 horses so I am definitely on team #HealTheHorses. Am I doing this right?

Yes. Very good.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: War_Ferret on February 20, 2018, 08:26:48 pm
Healing horses would mean I'm basically invincible as Two-Handed cav with my charger, don't necessarily make DTV even easier.
Consider adding fun stuff to DTV like Construction sites for admins only (to prevent extreme exploit) but nothing else.
Yes, more exclusive VIP stuff for admins is what we need.

More exclusive weapons. More additional information about players, damage and stuff. Some more special privileges like the ability to join full servers and leech without getting kicked.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: Bronto on February 20, 2018, 09:29:53 pm
Healing horses would mean I'm basically invincible as Two-Handed cav with my charger, don't necessarily make DTV even easier.
Consider adding fun stuff to DTV like Construction sites for admins only (to prevent extreme exploit) but nothing else.

OH MY GOD! Adding c-sites would be amazing. I'd be manning that catapult so hard.
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: War_Ferret on February 20, 2018, 11:13:48 pm
Even *IF* we assume for a second that horses are indeed OP in DTV. What's better, getting an advantage (over bots...) by skillfully playing an expensive class or getting an advantage by abusing bot AI in the easiest and most effective possible way and mashing them to stew from behind a shield wall or shooting them in the back while stuck? The former can at least be called "playing the game". The latter is really just dumb exploiting that requires you to repeatedly press one button. While this is very handicapped-friendly, it doesn't necessarily make the game more fun or challenging.

Prof's abuse point is just ridiculous, sorry. Like I said, DTV is ONLY about "abuse". It can't be won (in it's current state) without excessive abuse. Show me one game where players win without getting bots stuck in fences, under roofs, in doors... just one! How can you abuse the AI more than that? By playing cav?
Title: Re: HEAL DTV
Post by: McKli_PL on February 20, 2018, 11:53:45 pm
Even *IF* we assume for a second that horses are indeed OP in DTV. What's better, getting an advantage (over bots...) by skillfully playing an expensive class or getting an advantage by abusing bot AI in the easiest and most effective possible way and mashing them to stew from behind a shield wall or shooting them in the back while stuck? The former can at least be called "playing the game". The latter is really just dumb exploiting that requires you to repeatedly press one button. While this is very handicapped-friendly, it doesn't necessarily make the game more fun or challenging.

Prof's abuse point is just ridiculous, sorry. Like I said, DTV is ONLY about "abuse". It can't be won (in it's current state) without excessive abuse. Show me one game where players win without getting bots stuck in fences, under roofs, in doors... just one! How can you abuse the AI more than that? By playing cav?
in old days with alot of players who only play dtv and other playing shittons on every server sure, it's very hard: require hardcore teamplay, luck, tons of dodging arrows/bolts and its pure dtv fun not this shit like we have nowadays