cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Alexander_TheGreat_ on February 14, 2018, 11:56:03 am
Title: Remove DTV
Post by: Alexander_TheGreat_ on February 14, 2018, 11:56:03 am
Take a risk, mod is dying again, remove DTV and force people to play EU1, i have no issue losing those 20-30 players playing on DTV, i dont know them anyway. I can suggest them to go play Invasion or some other braindead mod for them.
Do it
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Finse on February 14, 2018, 12:16:25 pm
i wouldnt say EU7 is killing the mod, its the masses of ranged, again not that ranged is OP, its just many of them. And the balance these days have been changed alot and people has not gotten much info about it.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 14, 2018, 12:25:51 pm
People are not playing EU1 because auto balance isnt working. Nothing else.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Oberyn on February 14, 2018, 12:27:18 pm
DTV is gay and anyone that enjoys playing it regularly is a dumb autist, fite me irl my old friend00ts.
Replace DTV server with Rageball server.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Thorvic on February 14, 2018, 12:35:03 pm
Good idea if your plan is to kill the mod's activity as fast as possible !
EU7 is the only place I and lots of EU players can enjoy the mod without being annoyed by the ranged spam of those last days. I logged on EU1 a few days ago when it had 12 players on it, 10 of them were using ranged weapons, and that ruins all the fun for melee players (ofc having a shield is uneffective when you're getting shot from all directions).
When something will be done to balance the amount of ranged players in the global EU1 population, i've no doubt that activity will rise again.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: illogical on February 14, 2018, 12:51:19 pm
Melee players afraid, lose, weak? i kill melee, kill ranged, kill cavalry. I'm ready for everyone all years of c-rpg.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 14, 2018, 01:02:19 pm
Nice idea, too many are playing X lets remove(nerf) it and funnel people into eu1(melee). Except people probably just quit when they cant play what they like.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Panos_Tournament on February 14, 2018, 01:02:36 pm
Is balance different in EU? Haven't noticed any issues playing in NA
They removed banner balance completely, so a lot of the time teams would be 30v10 and stuff like that (most rounds), and you could switch at will however you wanted, it's just horribly imbalanced
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Dalhi on February 14, 2018, 01:43:53 pm
They removed banner balance completely, so a lot of the time teams would be 30v10 and stuff like that (most rounds), and you could switch at will however you wanted, it's just horribly imbalanced
Balance was bugged for one day. Changes are reverted, so find a better excuse :D
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: McKli_PL on February 14, 2018, 01:45:31 pm
Is balance different in EU? Haven't noticed any issues playing in NA
you starting first round in team A after 1 round ur going into other team, than in 2/3rd round if ur going full mad u will be switched to team B and ppl from B team are switched to A team, in 4th round u have fucking full mixed teams :lol:
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: njames89 on February 14, 2018, 01:58:46 pm
Weird I haven't noticed any of these balance issues. Maybe it is only in EU.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Torben on February 14, 2018, 01:59:05 pm
Balance was bugged for one day. Changes are reverted, so find a better excuse :D
Last time i played i could choose team as i wished, we made it like 5v20 just to fuck with the system a bit. Then quit because its obviously broken, if its fixed now i might return for a bit.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Casul on February 14, 2018, 02:24:45 pm
80% of DTV population are DTV only players, they would not play EU1 a single time.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: RD_Professor on February 14, 2018, 02:27:30 pm
yeah, these """""balance issues""""" were present for one day. they have long since been addressed. the current system is not perfect, but it does stack by banner and balance only once per map.
remember guys, make sure to check that your assumptions are right. public service announcement of the day.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Osiris on February 14, 2018, 04:31:18 pm
I must have missed the announcement saying it was fixed :shock: guess it's safe to come back on tonight :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 14, 2018, 08:47:09 pm
I am still trying to understand what's so fun about dtv. Is it the standing around in sheds and choke points while 2-3 people chop away at braindead a.i. that charge into their weapons enmass?
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Richyy on February 14, 2018, 09:00:59 pm
yo dont remove DTV also give me admin on eu7 so i can kick some fools
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Tindel on February 14, 2018, 10:52:45 pm
yeah, these """""balance issues""""" were present for one day. they have long since been addressed. the current system is not perfect, but it does stack by banner and balance only once per map.
remember guys, make sure to check that your assumptions are right. public service announcement of the day.
When was it restored? Tuesday? This monday it was still not working correctly. Have not tried to play since then.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Elio on February 14, 2018, 10:57:21 pm
People that don't understand DTV should simply don't like or understand the aim of cooperative. It's more about team playing and organization that I never found in other Battle or Siege mod, or there is 3 or 4 years ago maybe.
Of course DTV bots are dumb and easy to block, but a lot of people don't play DTV to grind XP, at least that's my case to get fun. But if bots were more intelligent, less unpredictable and finally make it more competitive I would greatly appreciate.
I personally play on the multiplayer only cooperative games since years, even FPS (I was an old Counter Strike player in 1.6 & CZ, later OFP, and Insurgency now), I stopped playing pvp because a lot or mainly players were more worried to their K/D ratio that making to win their team, and sadly it's the same on cRPG, none would be a support class that doesn't would gain points, and that's the problem, they simply don't get the the point/fun of collective game, everyone want to be on the top score and individualist, making an unrealistic builds just because it's the best way to rule the game, no matter how the mood/ambience of the server is fucked up.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: RD_Professor on February 14, 2018, 11:32:16 pm
When was it restored? Tuesday? This monday it was still not working correctly. Have not tried to play since then.
it was restored 12 hours after I implemented the broken version, practically right after I woke up. it was certainly working on monday.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Dark_Blade on February 14, 2018, 11:47:46 pm
remove eu 1 rather than dtv just to force people play eu 2 D:
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Varadin on February 15, 2018, 12:21:33 am
lol this has nothing to do with DTV or number blaance issue. It has to do with amount of range that was on eu1 in past 2 weeks.Ppl who play melee had no fun so majority quit. simple as that.
Best solution was to turn battle into siege or even beta siege.After all most ppl used to play siege and it was biggest fun ever.
FLAG FLAAAAAAAAG
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: the real god emperor on February 15, 2018, 12:38:30 am
Step 1: Make melee fun to play. Step 2: Profit.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 15, 2018, 01:03:24 am
lol this has nothing to do with DTV or number blaance issue. It has to do with amount of range that was on eu1 in past 2 weeks.Ppl who play melee had no fun so majority quit. simple as that.
Best solution was to turn battle into siege or even beta siege.After all most ppl used to play siege and it was biggest fun ever.
FLAG FLAAAAAAAAG
I never found seige more fun than battle but I did find it more fun than DTV.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Bronto on February 15, 2018, 01:11:01 am
I'm all about bringing back siege!
The funny thing is today, when I was on EU1, yes they were a lot of ranged but there was also a lot of cav. Pretty much a 1 to 1 ratio of those two classes. RIP was even playing as a lance thrower. I think maybe 4 total melee only characters. Cav and ranged everywhere.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 15, 2018, 01:12:54 am
EU had seige up with around 30 players on it sometime last week, not sure how long it was up before I got there but it didnt stay up long.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 15, 2018, 02:31:50 am
Take a risk, mod is dying again, remove DTV and force people to play EU1, i have no issue losing those 20-30 players playing on DTV, i dont know them anyway. I can suggest them to go play Invasion or some other braindead mod for them.
Do it
EU7 is only server where you can have fun now. On eu1 you constantly get shoot by op ranged, (2 shoots to the body under 55 armor and you are dead), balance is shit, tons of ranged, boring shiters who run away with 9 ath and xbow just because they can. Keep xbow 1 shooting people under 35 body armor to the body, infinite ammuntion for ranged, low STR requirements on xbows, STR whores with longbows and you wont see any people on eu1 expect them. Its already dead, thanks to shitty balancers who prefer to pew pew with their xbows instead of make this game fun not only for ranged players. Also not updating servers after patch is something that I dont understand, I heard that someone couldnt join the game because of it so, why you cant appoint one day to upload the patch and then update servers?(question for Professor).
Anyway have fun getting shoot in CRPG GO. And dont try to take only fun for melee/cav players who are boring of this pew pew bs that balancers serve to us.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Varadin on February 15, 2018, 02:53:12 am
I never found seige more fun than battle but I did find it more fun than DTV.
You are minority who likes Eu1 over Eu2. Trust me its like on every mod, Native,Mercs,NW and long ago on cRPG, more ppl always used to play EU2/Siege compared to Eu1/Battle.Simply cos even if thye would make a mistake or die by range they would respawn and not have to wait 10 mins for new spawn and to get randomly couched by my old friend cav.
thats my 2cent.
FLAG FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGG
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 15, 2018, 03:40:15 am
You are minority who likes Eu1 over Eu2. Trust me its like on every mod, Native,Mercs,NW and long ago on cRPG, more ppl always used to play EU2/Siege compared to Eu1/Battle.Simply cos even if thye would make a mistake or die by range they would respawn and not have to wait 10 mins for new spawn and to get randomly couched by my old friend cav.
thats my 2cent.
FLAG FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGG
I guess I am just a special case as I like native battle server over tdm or seige too.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Varadin on February 15, 2018, 04:50:36 am
i guess so, even on native most populated servers are sieges :)
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 15, 2018, 06:04:59 am
Anyway have fun getting shoot in CRPG GO. And dont try to take only fun for melee/cav players who are boring of this pew pew bs that balancers serve to us.
Im not sure you understand what game youre playing, have you tried native warband? Ranged is about as gimped as it gets without being turned into a complete non-threat. This isnt what the balancers serve us, this is what the game serves us, the balancers have just tried to cater to the crying melee while not actually completely shunning away the ranged audience.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Larvae on February 15, 2018, 09:40:53 am
Remove Eu1 to populate eu2 xD (im honest)
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 15, 2018, 02:26:16 pm
Im not sure you understand what game youre playing, have you tried native warband? Ranged is about as gimped as it gets without being turned into a complete non-threat. This isnt what the balancers serve us, this is what the game serves us, the balancers have just tried to cater to the crying melee while not actually completely shunning away the ranged audience.
I ve never seen you on native and I played in some tournaments. I know how bs ranged is there as well, but in mod it can be changed. I dont play native when crpg is "alive" because its boring and unplayable for infantry there, and infantry is that what I love to play : https://clips.twitch.tv/PleasantCoyWatermelonFreakinStinkin
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Torben on February 15, 2018, 03:51:51 pm
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: woody on February 15, 2018, 04:02:33 pm
I have mixed views on this.
Cant see the point of going online to fight bots, but learning to fight humans is tough and humiliating. I thought I was awesome after playing single player and destroying best bots, finding I was a total scrub was a shock.
If people who couldnt play DTV would go to EU1 and stay great, but a few rounds of death to ranged/cav/ganks and solo guys who are running alone because guess what they are bloody good and I cant see them staying. In addition I have found playing solo to be almost pointless on EU1.
Of course some guys who are good go to DTV just to grind but ffs get a life.
As for teamwork if thats really the case DTV guys form a clan and teamwork together versus opponents that are more adaptable than a lampost.
In the end I dont think getting rid of DTV will achieve anything, its an almost completely separate game.
PS Siege rules, no cav/ranged spam lots of melee. I miss EU2.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 15, 2018, 04:04:48 pm
I ve never seen you on native and I played in some tournaments. I know how bs ranged is there as well, but in mod it can be changed. I dont play native when crpg is "alive" because its boring and unplayable for infantry there, and infantry is that what I love to play : https://clips.twitch.tv/PleasantCoyWatermelonFreakinStinkin
Unplayable? Was that a infantry only tournament then? If you want a infantry only game you can probably find that elsewhere, are there no native infantry only servers, or are they as dead as the crpg ones used to be?
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: the real god emperor on February 15, 2018, 04:34:37 pm
Removing DTV won't work. DTV players don't play EU1 for a reason, which is getting demolished by every sperglord veteran in the server, let it be ranged, 2h or cav. What MIGHT work is happy hour(only for EU2, maybe?) and Prof is already working on it, so stay tuned™. However imo the chances of grindy elements reviving the mod is smaller than when we first ranted about wipe (sorry not sorry about bring this up once again, as we all can see everything leads back to this question), since Strat was alive for 1-2 months and people had enormous amounts of exp in this period, many people completed their builds. Plus the fact that EU1 is not fun at all as a melee player, combined with level 33-34 archers in every corner, I see the point of people not playing the mod. However I believe we should be good when Strat reset + Happy Hour changes are completed.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 15, 2018, 06:28:59 pm
Unplayable? Was that a infantry only tournament then? If you want a infantry only game you can probably find that elsewhere, are there no native infantry only servers, or are they as dead as the crpg ones used to be?
playing with the same stats and eq over and over is boring to be honest, thats why I prefer crpg. You could met different opponents not only left spam 1h players here ;) but now only players who play on eu1 are ranged so there is no point of playing this game anymore.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Ikarus on February 15, 2018, 06:35:00 pm
Quote
remove DTV and force people to play EU1
that wouldn't result in players switching to EU1, but less people playing crpg overall. Some people simply enjoy it, taking it away because "it's stupid and I don't like it" is ignorant and a terrible idea
Not that much of a DTV fan myself but I remember how it was able to keep some people playing crpg last autumn before some patches lured in new people, DTV got more and more people and finally they poured over to EU1. Then ppl heard about the bigger patch and lots of old players came back. Overall, it's pretty much the ignition plug for EU1 if the population is low. It's really hard to get some population together on EU1 when there's 7 people and 5 of them are ranged or even HA (so if you're ranged, do other ppl the favor and just play as melee until there's 15+ ppl, please)
Also, DTV is good for beginners to get used to the, as they often say, "floaty" movement and overall mechanics of cRPG, and let's be fair, EU1 is an absolute shithole for newcomers. EU2 would be ideal for newbies but we simply don't have enough people for that anymore since the game is just old
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: njames89 on February 15, 2018, 06:37:49 pm
I agree DTV is the best option for low population cRPG. It can be played with even 1 player and will slowly build population. Then when the group wipes generally if there are enough people they can hop over to battle and get that server started.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 15, 2018, 06:43:34 pm
I agree DTV is the best option for low population cRPG. It can be played with even 1 player and will slowly build population. Then when the group wipes generally if there are enough people they can hop over to battle and get that server started.
and die to ranged spam and then quit :D
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Elio on February 15, 2018, 06:57:21 pm
I agree DTV is the best option for low population cRPG. It can be played with even 1 player and will slowly build population. Then when the group wipes generally if there are enough people they can hop over to battle and get that server started.
You get the answer, DTV server is easy to populate, but not Battle or Siege.
That's why Battle and Siege should implement a progressive restriction to avoid to unbalance teams with just a single player, by limiting the power/armor/weapon of character bellow a certain number of players.
Seriously, who would play Battle below 10 players online when starting a new build level 1? Except loving to get raped by everything that move. Non veteran have clearly no chance, and balancing is really hard to manage in this actual way.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Leshma on February 15, 2018, 06:57:50 pm
Phase, get a job.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Penitent on February 15, 2018, 07:28:41 pm
I think we need a new generation of smaller battle maps that are designed around 25v25 players MAX.
Once people get used to smaller maps, then smaller "squad" battles of 5v5 or whatever would be more fun.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to make maps. :(
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 15, 2018, 07:38:42 pm
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Bannaz1 on February 15, 2018, 07:48:24 pm
I mean I don't understand why you'd play crpg to play PvE ... what is the point in that, removing DTV would be good imo ...
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Osiris on February 15, 2018, 07:48:41 pm
if your thinking about small maps perhaps a look at the IG Battlegrounds map thread could be useful, its the main native battle server and has a max pop of 50
if your thinking about small maps perhaps a look at the IG Battlegrounds map thread could be useful, its the main native battle server and has a max pop of 50
I mean I don't understand why you'd play crpg to play PvE ... what is the point in that, removing DTV would be good imo ...
Remove something on the basis that you personally dont play it? Buncha ignorant bigots here
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: _Tamra_ on February 15, 2018, 10:03:05 pm
I think those who want to remove DTV are just those who dislike fighting bots and are annoyed that there are so many players in EU7 who do that. Theoretically these numbers could go to EU1/2, but practically they wont. Not like anything I'm typing hasn't been mentioned tho.
For my own part I always enjoyed DTV and Strategus the most. DTV is a place to play crpg while being fairly relaxed, which comes super handy to me. I never liked EU1 so much because I usually end up with 70% of retarded teammates who run in circles and die like flees while leaving me alone to get raped as well. While this can be fixed with clan,TS n shit, I still rarely enjoy it. Strategus and DTV were always different in this regard, even brainless spamming in siege used to be a lot of fun.
I find it quite awesome that a PVP mod like crpg has a PVE element attached to it, sure remove it, best idea which comes up over and over again.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 15, 2018, 10:13:53 pm
The true solution is to merge eu1 and dtv, a bot filled battle server :mrgreen: Reminds me of the commander mode, that shit was pretty cool tbh
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 15, 2018, 10:25:56 pm
Has anyone play the co-op mod Full Invasion 2?
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: _Tamra_ on February 15, 2018, 10:26:48 pm
Wish bots would be more smart in Warband like in Counter Strike for example? So you join Eu2 and fight like a fixed amount of 20 bots, and whenever a player joins the bots decrease. Best way to populate a server actually. Sadly wont work right.
The true solution is to merge eu1 and dtv, a bot filled battle server :mrgreen: Reminds me of the commander mode, that shit was pretty cool tbh
Ye, just give those bots random names plus add them to the player count, so it seems that there is some wonderous influx of new people and we get to pwn them nubs.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 15, 2018, 10:32:23 pm
I don't know if they are smarter per say, I dont think I've ever had one block or chamber me. They DEFINITELY have a fuckload more HP and better stats which makes them tougher to kill
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 15, 2018, 10:59:33 pm
I don't know if they are smarter per say, I dont think I've ever had one block or chamber me. They DEFINITELY have a fuckload more HP and better stats which makes them tougher to kill
So do they also run enmass to chokepoints?
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on February 15, 2018, 11:24:53 pm
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: zottlmarsch on February 15, 2018, 11:58:19 pm
NO update , lied the epic , balance ? keep mention about the deve is working but whats the result? just same like others early access game excited at the beginning then shit at last. The players are getting lesser and lesser, soon most the player forgot about this game.fuck this developer.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Leshma on February 16, 2018, 02:22:15 am
The true solution is to merge eu1 and dtv, a bot filled battle server :mrgreen: Reminds me of the commander mode, that shit was pretty cool tbh
I'm more for evolution of DTV, an actual MOBA for cRPG with capture points, bot mobs, player controlled bot squads, power ups. Kinda like conquest mode but with bots involved. Only fear is that average cRPG pub will find that too complicated. Conquest was never popular because it asks for a little bit of attention, even more than regular siege mode. You don't need to pay attention when playing battle (press W, die, repeat).
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Tindel on February 17, 2018, 12:43:04 am
You are minority who likes Eu1 over Eu2. Trust me its like on every mod, Native,Mercs,NW and long ago on cRPG, more ppl always used to play EU2/Siege compared to Eu1/Battle.Simply cos even if thye would make a mistake or die by range they would respawn and not have to wait 10 mins for new spawn and to get randomly couched by my old friend cav.
thats my 2cent.
FLAG FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGG
Remove EU1 and DTV, everyone comes to EU2 = win!
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Asheram on February 18, 2018, 12:34:32 am
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Oberyn on February 18, 2018, 05:26:55 pm
Just make gold and xp gain lower overall than EU1, easy solution. DTV is full of leechers and always has been, people who enjoy the braindead "gameplay" will keep playing it, and it will make it less attractive to leeches.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 18, 2018, 09:23:19 pm
Just make gold and xp gain lower overall than EU1, easy solution. DTV is full of leechers and always has been, people who enjoy the braindead "gameplay" will keep playing it, and it will make it less attractive to leeches.
I'd rather have leechers in DTV than on EU1 though. It fucks with the balance too much, cant really account for afk'ers that well.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Rando on February 19, 2018, 09:44:51 pm
Just make gold and xp gain lower overall than EU1, easy solution. DTV is full of leechers and always has been, people who enjoy the braindead "gameplay" will keep playing it, and it will make it less attractive to leeches.
Really, the only reason I ever played DTV (even as a new player) was because of the increased benefits over the battle server. I couldn't imagine ever touching it without these massive rewards, the only time I could imagine it being any fun is if you played with a small group of friends (anything is fun with friends) and didn't use cheese tactics like the cuck shed on that one map or hiding behind a fence with flamberges.
Title: Re: Remove DTV
Post by: Westwood on February 20, 2018, 02:58:44 am