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Title: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: RD_Professor on January 15, 2018, 10:51:04 pm
First off, thanks to everyone for cooling off on the whole wipe discussion over the holidays. But I'm bringing back that spicy passion to see what the opinions of wiping just gold are. This is something that would coincide with the strat reset. And please do keep the discussion just on wiping gold. For now, wiping other elements of characters is out of the question. Discuss/debate/duel to the death!
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: zottlmarsch on January 15, 2018, 10:57:04 pm
Other options should be pursued (such as selling respecs/heirlooms in market)

This, all gold will soon be gone once everyone uses it up to buy looms, added with the bonus that players (market whores) will have to lower their prices to whatever is dictated by shop prices. This will cause a massive downfall in the prices of the player market making looms more affordable for everyone, whether they are new or old.

More looms = everyone happy
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Yeldur on January 15, 2018, 10:57:44 pm
Yeah tbf I couldn't handle a gold wipe in all honesty, all that does is completely fucking ruin every single build anyone has ever made as they now cannot use any gear due to the fact that they don't have enough money left to handle repairs etc etc.
Not a good idea at all to wipe all gold.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Asheram on January 15, 2018, 11:22:08 pm
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sell respec, heirloom exchanges etc for a set rate on market not auction.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 15, 2018, 11:32:27 pm
I dont have any gold, wipe it all lul
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: pogosan on January 16, 2018, 12:22:59 am
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: _uwu_ on January 16, 2018, 12:26:25 am
me and a good amount of other players only have like 300k gold but then there's the small portion of vets who have millions upon millions of gold so wiping gold wouldn't make any sense

i say we should redistribute all the gold in crpg to make sure everyone has an equal amount of wealth

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Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Jarl_Onurb on January 16, 2018, 12:36:00 am
Other options should be pursued (such as selling respecs/heirlooms in market)

This, all gold will soon be gone once everyone uses it up to buy looms, added with the bonus that players (market whores) will have to lower their prices to whatever is dictated by shop prices. This will cause a massive downfall in the prices of the player market making looms more affordable for everyone, whether they are new or old.

More looms = everyone happy

About that option, wouldnt it be better to buy heirlooms exchanges rathet that buy loompoints? The option of buying loomspoints would make retiring almost useless.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: BlackxBird on January 16, 2018, 12:47:50 am
Please don't fully wipe it. Buying banners n'stuff will be retarded afterwards. I'd suggest that instead of giving weekly respecs make them buyable. The higher ur level is the more the cost should be. Would fix the inflation and the QQ about respecing.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: PoisonedTail on January 16, 2018, 12:52:34 am
This is probably a horribly unpopular opinion but I think it would be fun if everything was reset (looms, gold, etc). I remember the days when weapons were very hard to come by. Buying my first Arbalest felt like buying a first home. I had a lot of pride working my ass to show off that weapon in battle.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: BlackxBird on January 16, 2018, 12:56:15 am
This is probably a horribly unpopular opinion but I think it would be fun if everything was reset (looms, gold, etc). I remember the days when weapons were very hard to come by. Buying my first Arbalest felt like buying a first home. I had a lot of pride working my ass to show off that weapon in battle.

This will make a shitton of people quit the game! On the one hand it would be kinda funny, to start over again. On the other I'd be sad to see all the xp I played for the last 5 years gone.. If this was actually done I think Id not be playing as much as I did now
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Asheram on January 16, 2018, 12:58:14 am
This is probably a horribly unpopular opinion but I think it would be fun if everything was reset (looms, gold, etc). I remember the days when weapons were very hard to come by. Buying my first Arbalest felt like buying a first home. I had a lot of pride working my ass to show off that weapon in battle.
Not everyone has the time or inclination to regrind it all out again, so those that do will once again be on the "op" side.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: PoisonedTail on January 16, 2018, 01:01:16 am
This will make a shitton of people quit the game! On the one hand it would be kinda funny, to start over again. On the other I'd be sad to see all the xp I played for the last 5 years gone.. If this was actually done I think Id not be playing as much as I did now

Yea I totally get that. From my standpoint I have no incentives to really play for. I will never gain enough xp to level up again, have all the looms I need, and don't need any gold. I miss the days of looming my first weapon or getting to level 31 for the first time. The "magic" is gone.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: the real god emperor on January 16, 2018, 01:02:00 am
Wiping gold doesn't make too much sense imo. Creating new money sinks should fix our problem in time.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Morris on January 16, 2018, 01:32:22 am
wipe looms instead
sick & tired of garbage players using all their +3 items as a crutch when in reality they wouldn't hold a candle to players like me who are way WAY above them skill-wise
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Gristle on January 16, 2018, 04:54:16 am
all that does is completely fucking ruin every single build anyone has ever made as they now cannot use any gear due to the fact that they don't have enough money left to handle repairs

That's exactly why we have repairs, and why wiping gold is being considered. You're not supposed to be able to equip all of the best gear without repercussion. You should be worried about putting a dent in your pocket. You're supposed to ask yourself, "can I afford to wear full plate this round? As someone who has been perpetually poor through the years, I assure you it is possible to still play and not worry. My normal gear is 2,836 upkeep.

I also have a problem with the alternatives idea. Allowing players to buy looms with gold was a big mistake, and part of the reason some players stopped retiring. They can keep leveling past level 31, knowing they can buy looms if they really need to. There should be only one way to earn looms outside of special occasions (like the christmas looms we were given). You should be giving up something when you choose to stop retiring. Looms lost a lot of value and wonder once the marketplace was introduced.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Dalhi on January 16, 2018, 08:39:03 am
I see the reasoning for that, there are plenty of people in plate armours and they don't have to worry about upkeep especially with the crazy price of looms.

I don't think wiping will fix that in long run, I'd rather say that this could lead some players to leave the mod for good.

I would consider another gold sink. We have lots of new items, maybe allow players to exchange heirlooms for gold?

Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Panos_Tournament on January 16, 2018, 08:46:36 am
Please don't fully wipe it. Buying banners n'stuff will be retarded afterwards. I'd suggest that instead of giving weekly respecs make them buyable. The higher ur level is the more the cost should be. Would fix the inflation and the QQ about respecing.

God, are you really that stupid?

This is beneficial to only old -and rich- players, all the newcomers would get fucked by your suggestion.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Larvae on January 16, 2018, 11:42:37 am
Remove all the gold,raise repaircost of armor,horses and stuff.
Also remove all loomed items and points and give players the same amount of looms as their gens are.

This would reduce the tincans - also in the long run.
Also it would reduce the amount of loomed stuff in crpg.
Marketplace would be alaive again and high lvl players would not cry about loosing their grinded xp.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: njames89 on January 16, 2018, 02:36:31 pm
I think an option in the shop to buy a no XP loss respec for 300-400k and an option to buy an heirloom exchange for roughly 600-700k would be a nice way to continue decreasing the amount of gold in the community.

Maybe not the exchanges but certainly the respecs I would like to be sold in shop.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Varadin on January 16, 2018, 02:42:51 pm
First you need to fix gold earning , i think its way too much in DTV.Let us buy heriloom exchange for 500-700k , Name change 300-500k,No EXP loss respec for 500-1000k. and cut gold in half for everyone and make repairs cost more.

i have 8 milion gold, and got 10 +3 items, i dont even know what to do with gold. its pretty much useless as i even earn gold while wearing plate armor.

I dont like Mercs mod as much as i like cRPG but they still have much better gold system.It actually matters there.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 16, 2018, 04:06:09 pm
A pretty big change that could improve a lot of aspects of the game would be to go back to a system similar to native, where you earn temporary gold in game to spend on armors weapons etc. It would take some effort to balance out costs and stuff, but i think it could potentially improve the game a lot too. With this you could also remove gold as a currency all together, but keep looms. It would hurt the rpg aspect though as you cant always wear everything you want, but it would also make more people play in light armor generally, more variety and more reward from playing well as you can armor up if you are performing well.

Very drastic change obviously, but its a much more rewarding system.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Asheram on January 16, 2018, 04:26:00 pm
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Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Bugnir on January 16, 2018, 05:02:08 pm
Instead of wiping everything how about at the end of each month all the characters gets confiscated by the devs and then auctioned off to the highest bidder. This not only creates a huge moneysink but it also incentivises people to grind gold.
All the money earned from the auctions will be donated to my support group in order to help cRPG players cope with their ADHD (RIP, Xesta, Yuhmaz etc).
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: zottlmarsch on January 16, 2018, 06:52:10 pm
Also please remove booths, they serve no purpose except making the 5 richest people in crpg even richer. These guys dictate the price of LP's for the whole community, buying up any cheap looms they see within minutes and then selling them at their high Jew prices. Nobody can even afford to buy a booth except these multi billionaires, seriously what is the point?

At least if the shop had a standard price for t LP's, looms etc there would be at least some control over prices in the player market.

Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Nehvar on January 16, 2018, 07:15:33 pm
I think heirloom exchanges and respecs being available at the shop is a good idea...but I would advise against making them something only the rich players can afford.  You don't need to wipe out the gold surplus in one night. 

I think that 200k gold, the current price for exchange events, is a good number.  I only make about 100k gold per retirement cycle on my alt; and that's rolling with medium armor most of the time; so 200k/swap/cycle would definitely drain my bank(6m) over time while still being reasonably affordable for a newer player.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Krex on January 16, 2018, 07:40:12 pm
I don't have a lot of gold and I don't have enough time to grind (neither do I want to retire my chars right now, to be honest).
Would like to see other gold drains though.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Panos_ on January 16, 2018, 07:46:04 pm
First you need to fix gold earning , i think its way too much in DTV.Let us buy heriloom exchange for 500-700k , Name change 300-500k,No EXP loss respec for 500-1000k. and cut gold in half for everyone and make repairs cost more.

i have 8 milion gold, and got 10 +3 items, i dont even know what to do with gold. its pretty much useless as i even earn gold while wearing plate armor.

I dont like Mercs mod as much as i like cRPG but they still have much better gold system.It actually matters there.


welp, you can give me some gold for a banner slot and banner upkeep.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Osiris on January 16, 2018, 07:48:48 pm
this week is literally the first week ive ever had over 200k gold thanks to some loom point market trading. plz no wipe  8-)
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Asheram on January 16, 2018, 08:33:24 pm
this week is literally the first week ive ever had over 200k gold thanks to some loom point market trading. plz no wipe  8-)
You want 200k more? Put up a trade and give me a link.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: RandomDude on January 16, 2018, 08:36:45 pm
I haven't had time to think this one through but what about a gold:xp conversion with exponentially decreasing returns?

Would that even be something that players want? It would be a nice way to take out a big chunk of xp that's needed for levelling in the low-mid 30's.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Golem on January 16, 2018, 08:38:25 pm
Why not wipe everything instead?
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Rhekimos on January 16, 2018, 08:56:04 pm
Wipe gold, looms, levels, titles, posts and passwords too. It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Osiris on January 16, 2018, 09:19:24 pm
you should totally let me merge alts! say get rid of my gen 2-3-4 alts and transfer xp to mains! would totally make sense in this convo and not just benefit me who has many
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Pandemona on January 16, 2018, 10:13:02 pm
How about you implement shop respecs to make it easier for us to get rid of our unnecessary gold ?

It would be great for those who want to try over 9000 builds within a day, also it might mean lesser retirements because most people will no longer need to retire and change their builds, therefore lesser loompoints around which will probably increase loompoint prices therefore reduce the amount of gold players have.



For example, i just realised that i've made a mistake with my build and put 3 to shield instead of 2. So please allow me to pay for it with my gold rather than my time. If you want you can make it more valuable as you get to higher levels as well.

So if you are worried about people changing their builds before strategus battles to have the class advantage, it will cost them so much that it will not be a viable way.

My posts i sent few weeks ago about excessive gold we have at the moment, i am still of the same mind.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: darmaster on January 16, 2018, 10:54:32 pm
paying for respecs and loom change would be nice ye
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Grumbs on January 16, 2018, 11:11:19 pm
Let people dump their gold into some cosmetics. Make off-season items available for some gold for example (1 mil for a christmas hat or pumpkin head etc). If you make something ridiculously expensive the people with money to burn with pay for it, especially if they can show it off in game. Basically we need TF2 hats

That and let people dump their gold into some titles that get announced when they join the server like for the people who own fiefs, or let people skip the respec timer. Stuff like that.

Don't just delete gold. That undermines the progression which is half of what makes some players come back and stay invested in their character
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Rhekimos on January 17, 2018, 12:21:27 am
Please let me know in advance so I can buy about ten thousand plated chargers before the wipe. For entirely unrelated reasons. Certainly not for the purposes of an armored horse based tax haven.

And remove booths. They don't help the market at all.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Gristle on January 17, 2018, 10:40:43 am
Hmmm, I actually find this puritanical approach pretty convincing.

Also that players shouldnt be able to spend gold on looms like you say. IMO even with your suggestion, as long as there are market sharks there will be some people who never have to worry about gold or upkeep. Which is unfair to the grinders. So should the market in general be limited?

I personally believe the market was the single worst addition to the mod. It made chadz and crew lazy. They used it as an excuse to not deal with some problems, and it's part of the reason gold is so out of control today. It's too late to straight up remove it, but it needs to be reined in. Getting rid of booths is a good start. I like loom exchanges, but not the idea of selling loom points. I liked it when the amount of looms you had was directly related to your gen. It felt more personal back then. If they add more gold sinks, but also limit the ways the market makes some players super rich, they can then attempt to balance gold gain.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Mirliva on January 17, 2018, 11:33:13 am
Stop killing the mod! If you will wipe; you have to wipe everything like gold, lp, experience otherwise just a bullshit.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Gristle on January 17, 2018, 11:40:32 am
If you will wipe; you have to wipe everything
Why does it have to be all or nothing?
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: RexArmadilo on January 17, 2018, 11:52:25 am
wipe is not a solution

Maybe you can do new exp/gold and repair system

Stop killing the mod! If you will wipe; you have to wipe everything like gold, lp, experience otherwise just a bullshit.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Mirliva on January 17, 2018, 12:02:31 pm
Why does it have to be all or nothing?
Why there must be a wipe? This is the question. If there'll be a wipe; it have to be for all because there is people that only playing for fun like STF Characters and STF Characters need golds. And also; if you wipe golds "marketplace" will be fucked up.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: fetus on January 17, 2018, 12:10:47 pm
Looms are expensive and people not buying it instead they loom their own items by retiring..
Wiping gold is not a good idea but maybe you can make it hard to gain ? Idk how tho
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Bronto on January 17, 2018, 02:44:03 pm
I know someone already said this but I'm reinforcing the point:

Sell heirloom points all the time on shop tab where you buy other items. Just add an icon.

Sell respecs all the time in the same manner.

Charge ludicrous prices, rake in that digital dough.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: pogosan on January 17, 2018, 03:14:29 pm
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Zeus_ on January 17, 2018, 03:57:33 pm
I know someone already said this but I'm reinforcing the point:

Sell heirloom points all the time on shop tab where you buy other items. Just add an icon.

Sell respecs all the time in the same manner.

Charge ludicrous prices, rake in that digital dough.

brontooooooooooooo hi

he makes a good point, im the type of person to spend 700k on a loom point i wont use for 3 months
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Osiris on January 17, 2018, 08:25:48 pm
i too believe the best way to keep crpg alive is to wipe all the gold or looms from the players who just came back so they leave again because they dont wish to grind for another year  :shock:
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: //saxon on January 17, 2018, 10:46:36 pm
Maybe implement some sort of tax system based on how much gold you have
in Britain if you earn over a certain amount on salary the higher your tax is,
and i'm sure that crpg lottery was a main cause of this gold rush aswel.
Plus have it so new players don't start paying tax till they have over a certain amount of gold.
similar to the tax system here in Britain i think it's once you've earn'd over 10k £££ pounds then you start paying tax.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: BlackxBird on January 17, 2018, 11:53:20 pm
And to trick the tax u make chars called

Zürich
Bernv
Basel
Luzern

and add money on them
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Algarn on January 18, 2018, 12:30:48 am
Or you just keep your wealth stashed as loompoints.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Captain_Georges on January 18, 2018, 12:54:25 am
lemme keep my shekels pls
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Gristle on January 18, 2018, 06:44:14 am
If you combine both "yes" choices, "yes" and "no" are currently tied. "Other options" is currently winning, and I don't think anyone in the thread has been opposed to that.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: belda on January 18, 2018, 12:42:05 pm
Skill Consumables
Power throw: 2 Duration: 1 hour Price: 15000 gold
Shield: 5 Duration: 1 hour Price: 30000 gold
Iron Flesh: 10 Duration: 1 hour Price: 90000 gold

For example, My character has 4 points in Iron Flesh, if I use the consumable I will have 10 points.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Gurnisson on January 18, 2018, 12:54:10 pm
Skill Consumables
Power throw: 2 Duration: 1 hour Price: 15000 gold
Shield: 5 Duration: 1 hour Price: 30000 gold
Iron Flesh: 10 Duration: 1 hour Price: 90000 gold

For example, My character has 4 points in Iron Flesh, if I use the consumable I will have 10 points.

Pay to win. No thanks
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Captain_Georges on January 18, 2018, 01:59:54 pm
Add magic spells, I want to be able to heal people and shoot lightning. What kind of an rpg doesnt have magic
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: njames89 on January 18, 2018, 02:03:44 pm
Add magic spells, I want to be able to heal people and shoot lightning. What kind of an rpg doesnt have magic

Reminds me of when delson turned all his throwing lances into lightning bolts and his stones into fireballs  :lol:
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Gurnisson on January 18, 2018, 02:24:36 pm
We need Al_Adin back

Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Captain_Georges on January 18, 2018, 02:35:50 pm
Im a scientologist tho
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Captain_Georges on January 18, 2018, 02:57:25 pm
only because I dont have enough money
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: //saxon on January 18, 2018, 03:01:39 pm
And to trick the tax u make chars called

Zürich
Bernv
Basel
Luzern

and add money on them

either way if a character has gold, it's getting taxed. money sync.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: njames89 on January 18, 2018, 03:03:19 pm
Quickly transfers all gold into looms.

Oh yes great idea wipe all those dirty gold hoarders  :lol:
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Mirliva on January 18, 2018, 04:03:56 pm
Give 100000 looms to everyone to solve loom prices....
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Bronto on January 18, 2018, 04:09:20 pm
If it's higher than market price, people will just buy from there though. And making it lower will either kill the market by having lower than competitive prices or not do any effect if it's lower by just a little. Instead of tinkering with the economy directly and selling more looms that are introduced into market artificially, it's much healthier to change how valuable looms actually are.

Why do they cost up to 2mil now? Is it because getting to lvl 31 is too hard now? Is it because old players have no reason to retire (or don't want to waste very high levels), and the market is basically just a few looms from newer players?

It won't work very well without doing something to gold though.

That's the point you undercut the market forcing the prices on there down and essentially phasing out gold hoarding shit bags who have nothing better to do than "play the market" instead of playing the game.  You allow the people with less gold, HESKEYTIME, a chance to obtain the stuff they want once they grind enough money to afford it, or retire to get the points. By giving people an opportunity to buy straight from the site rather than from another person, you won't see assholes asking 1.7 million for an heirloom point, they'll try to then undercut the website. It will put the decision back in the hands of the player rather than giving all power to the marketplace and clan armories.

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Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Jona on January 18, 2018, 04:59:29 pm
In essence, ensuring a minimum sell price and a maximum buy price which can be made to the system at any time. Forcing players to make personal transactions outside of this more appealing.

In essence, economics.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: POOPHAMMER on January 18, 2018, 05:01:11 pm
Now that mod is alive we want to take ur shekels *palm rubbing intensifies*
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: sJimmy on January 21, 2018, 12:56:28 am
Wipe everything, gold, looms. Give everyone 1 Mill Gold, 24 loom points (so you could have a full armor set and weapon set), 1 level 32 Character and enjoy the grind toward lvl 36. Because why not. Mod is older than dirt.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: RD_Professor on January 22, 2018, 04:56:35 am
Haven't read through the responses, but as far as I can tell, looking into gold sinks on marketplace is the best way to proceed. I'll give this a shot over the next week or so.
Title: Re: Gold Wipe Poll
Post by: Grytviken on February 04, 2018, 12:54:28 am
What if you made a new market only accessible to people who partake in a voluntary gold wipe. People who don't want to do this would be limited to the old market and only trading with other players who didn't as well. You could even make this on a per character basis.

There would obviously have to be incentives for the ppl who decide to wipe, like loompoint and exchanges for sale in the new market.