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Title: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on October 20, 2017, 03:59:26 pm
Interested to see what kind of support the idea of adding Native American / South American gear to the game has. Please answer the poll and feel free to discuss in the thread.

Personally I think it would be good to add some Mayan/Aztec gear and more nataive American gear to the game. I realize it clashes with the European focus of the mod, however, we already have samurais/ninjas/deli cap warriors and I think the added variety could benefit the mod.

Looking forward to hearing some opinions on this and seeing if the community is interested.

Examples of South American Armour/Weapons
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Examples of North American Armour/Weapons
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I wouldn't suggest adding in any mainly decorative or excessively intricate pieces. But that being said I believe some of the items could complement the game well.
Title: Re: Should Native American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 20, 2017, 04:17:42 pm
Go ahead and add them, the 10 people playing might enjoy them.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Oberyn on October 20, 2017, 05:21:29 pm
Macuahuitl isn't South American, if you wanna be pedantic (and I always do).
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Asheram on October 20, 2017, 05:33:51 pm
If you are adding Indians then you need to add cowboys and guns.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Casul on October 20, 2017, 05:41:43 pm
Heard native americans used siege ladders on their castle assaults. That means you need to add ladders again.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on October 20, 2017, 05:44:01 pm
Quote from: Cassi on October 20, 2017, 05:41:43 pm
Heard native americans used siege ladders on their castle assaults. That means you need to add ladders again.

Missed that part of history class I guess. But ladders are already back!
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Ikarus on October 20, 2017, 05:46:01 pm
wouldn't take long and people would ask for roman armors aswell, or indian armors from the late 18th century

I appreciate the motivation but nah, that'd kill the immersion for me

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Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on October 20, 2017, 05:55:51 pm
Pistols obviously will never be in the game. That being said I don't think that these items would be any more out of place than samurai armour or lederhosen on the battlefield.

Certainly nothing from the 18th century would be added. I would say the cutoff is probably 15th/16th century.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Asheram on October 20, 2017, 05:57:37 pm
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The GK tdm pistol is fun if you can get to it before dying.😀
Does it ruin your immersion running around in circles fighting in ways that those who wore the armor you like never fought in?
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Ikarus on October 20, 2017, 06:16:10 pm
Quote from: Asheram on October 20, 2017, 05:57:37 pm
Does it ruin your immersion running around in circles fighting in ways that those who wore the armor you like never fought in?

no, that just breaks my soul
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Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Oberyn on October 20, 2017, 06:26:31 pm
It breaks my immersion when retards wear mismatched armor from a bunch of different cultures and eras already. Add on roman armor as well! Add as many diff armors as possible.

Is it possible to give some sort of set bonus to people who use appropriately matched armor? Would cut down on tard combinations.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on October 20, 2017, 06:29:56 pm
Personally I don't think these items I have listed would be very out of place considering the things already in game. I also don't foresee any large percentage of the server playing this style of character at the same time. So I don't think it would be too immersion breaking for me personally. I understand the arguments against them though.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Asheram on October 20, 2017, 06:30:31 pm
Can you add instruments and standards that give buffs to nearby team mates like Napoleonic wars has?
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Thryn on October 21, 2017, 12:27:11 am
i don't think it should be added, i like the majority eurocentric medieval feel of the mod and i think going outside of that ruins muh immersion

i like the mongolian stuff b/c mongols had a presence in europe throughout history but japanese, north american, and south american peoples did not have any sort of foothold during the high middle ages that the game centers around

i think these armors are a bit outside of crpg's scope, but regarding the japanese armor: it's extremely popular and is already in the game, no reason to mess with it and piss off the weebs

 
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Golem on October 21, 2017, 08:53:57 am
I think adding them will truly drive home the feeling of absolute death that the mod is trying to portray.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: the real god emperor on October 21, 2017, 09:00:34 am
A medieval European, a Seljuk Turk and a Mongolian Raider having a fight in one of the best medieval combat simulators and on the horizon, appears a dude wearing tiger pyjamas and holding a weird stick, kinda ruins the immersion imho.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on October 21, 2017, 12:40:07 pm
Well I disagree completely but I respect that it appears a large portion of players do not want equipment of new cultures added in.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Thryn on October 21, 2017, 07:09:46 pm
Quote from: njames89 on October 20, 2017, 06:29:56 pm
I understand the arguments against them though.

wtf this guy is trying to be reasonable

how did he become admin
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Voncrow on October 22, 2017, 12:24:06 am
Quote from: Kratos on October 21, 2017, 09:00:34 am
A medieval European, a Seljuk Turk and a Mongolian Raider having a fight in one of the best medieval combat simulators and on the horizon, appears a dude wearing tiger pyjamas and holding a weird stick, kinda ruins the immersion imho.

Then enter the Plate donkey riding wedding dress wearing Torch wielding party goers. There's already enough in that might ruin that immersion. I don't see why not add in another kind of immersion breaking armour.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Elmetiacos on November 02, 2017, 09:12:47 pm
I don't see the point in adding a load of weapons made of stone and sharks' teeth - European and Asian gear will win every time, as happened in history.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Drunken_sailor on November 02, 2017, 09:59:05 pm

death whistles plz thnx
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 02, 2017, 10:23:28 pm
That's a shit whistle.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: elvis1325 on November 03, 2017, 12:28:03 am
Idk I quite like the idea of adding Native American armor. Crpg was always (not sure about 2011 years) western euro knights using bardiches and scimitars vs Russia bois using katanas and long bows vs steppe bois using longswords and pikes etc anyways.
The only people I ever saw on NA actually following any kind of immersion/historical theme was Acre, a Byzantine clan (I think is EU) and a couple small niche clans which usually died a month later (I was a part of at least 3 of the many niche clans). 
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Turkhammer on November 03, 2017, 02:25:46 am
Quote from: njames89 on October 20, 2017, 05:55:51 pm
Pistols obviously will never be in the game. That being said I don't think that these items would be any more out of place than samurai armour or lederhosen on the battlefield.

Certainly nothing from the 18th century would be added. I would say the cutoff is probably 15th/16th century.

Ok, then take out the samurai armor and lederhosen. 
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Drunken_sailor on November 03, 2017, 02:50:52 am
Kazoos plz, they are ummm ahem native instruments of war or something...
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Thnk u
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on November 03, 2017, 05:04:04 am
Quote from: Drunken_sailor on November 03, 2017, 02:50:52 am
Kazoos plz, they are ummm ahem native instruments of war or something...
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Thnk u

Kazoo is the ultimate instrument of terror, but also beauty. No army should be without it.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Asheram on November 03, 2017, 03:50:24 pm
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on November 03, 2017, 05:04:04 am
Kazoo is the ultimate instrument of terror, but also beauty. No army should be without it.
That would be vuvuzelas
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Kadeth on November 06, 2017, 11:14:33 pm
Immersion in cRPG hAHahAhahHAhaa

Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: bensai on November 10, 2017, 03:51:45 am
Well the fact that the game has Samurai/Chinese armors despite the fact that european medieval powers never clashed with these civilizations is displaying in its own right that the game isn't that euro-centric (plus this game goes way far after the medieval era. the majority of weapons and armor are renaissance so yea ur all retarded)

I think the more variety the better, personally. If your immersion wasn't ruined by fighting a guy with a samurai helmet and a byzantine cuirass then I think adding 14th and 15th century meso american and south american gear would be more than acceptable. Albeit not much data remains on what mayans/incans/aztecs wore during precolombian times I think it's fair to say their look didn't change too much in the century before the spanish came. plus we have gear up to the late renaissance anyway meaning that those south american guys were in the time frame anyway

im alot smarter than most of you guys and i play more often so my judgement is a liiiitle more valuable
 
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Casul on November 10, 2017, 01:14:24 pm
my turn:

I voted yes but only because I like troll stuff and peasant clothes. (^:

I have thought about the argument that we already have samurai stuff and it doesnt bother anyones immersion, but I think thats 1st: because samurai stuff has already been content from the base game and 2nd: it indeed is comparable to the western society because you can look at it as an equal powerful rising force, such as any other european realm was. It is a different style indeed, never had touched the other side of the world, but its metal, it uses swords, polearms, bows and armor.

Leopard pyama scrap covered tomahawk throwing runners do not really fit this, but I'd still be fine with it.

CULTURAL DIVERSITY!
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 10, 2017, 01:27:39 pm
I think any gear that could be used to field different types of RP armies in strat would be a nice addition.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Oberyn on November 10, 2017, 03:11:26 pm
Guarantee all the my old friends whining about "muh immersion" would REEEEEE like a bunch of of eunuchs if there was a malus penalty for mismatching armors/weapons from different eras and cultures.
I absolutely would want more variety from as many diff cultures and eras as possible, but I would also prefer if there was some sort of set bonus for properly matching armor/weapon pieces. If you added roman and aztec armor right now some oblivious cunt would walk around in jaguar pyjamas, roman helmet and wielding a katana.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 10, 2017, 03:14:30 pm
Damn doing that would make them about 20% as cancerous as the average cRPG player
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Turkhammer on November 10, 2017, 04:45:46 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on November 10, 2017, 03:11:26 pm
Guarantee all the my old friends whining about "muh immersion" would REEEEEE like a bunch of of eunuchs if there was a malus penalty for mismatching armors/weapons from different eras and cultures.
I absolutely would want more variety from as many diff cultures and eras as possible, but I would also prefer if there was some sort of set bonus for properly matching armor/weapon pieces. If you added roman and aztec armor right now some oblivious cunt would walk around in jaguar pyjamas, roman helmet and wielding a katana.

Not any more cunty than weeaboos in samaurai armor or Apaches mixing with Medieval European warriors.  Perhaps there could be a malus penalty for that also.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bronto on November 10, 2017, 09:43:06 pm
Dudes I already had a native american alt back in the day. Short bow/regular arrows, hatchet, and a palfrey because it is the closest to a paint horse in the mod. no armor because native american's weren't pussies.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Casul on November 12, 2017, 04:41:08 pm
Quote from: Bronto on November 10, 2017, 09:43:06 pm
Short bow/regular arrows, hatchet, no armor.

leecher.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Torben on November 12, 2017, 05:49:50 pm
krems
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 12, 2017, 10:54:10 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on November 10, 2017, 03:11:26 pm
If you added roman and aztec armor right now some oblivious cunt would walk around in jaguar pyjamas, roman helmet and wielding a katana.

Think I've found my next character  :wink:
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 12, 2017, 11:52:47 pm
Alright, listen to me if you want to fix this beautiful mod.

1. Fix stable servers. High ping and downtime kills the mod everytime it gets a slight revival.
2. Re-do strat, one calradia map for both NA and EU. Strat can't survive with seperate strat scenes and the occasional "Fun battle!!!" With enough players from both continents drama and real wars will be created and people will start to play the game again.
3. Reset. Everything. You. Fucking. Idiots. Ignore the "but muh looms" virgin squad. Fuck em. They won't quit. Grinding from 0 again along with a strat reset with both continents together = surge in interest
4. Also, what the fuck is this thread? Priorities please

No problem, make me moderator/admin and I'll single handedly save this mod
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: elvis1325 on November 13, 2017, 04:04:56 am
Quote from: Bittersteel on November 12, 2017, 11:52:47 pm
Alright, listen to me if you want to fix this beautiful mod.

1. Fix stable servers. High ping and downtime kills the mod everytime it gets a slight revival.
2. Re-do strat, one calradia map for both NA and EU. Strat can't survive with seperate strat scenes and the occasional "Fun battle!!!" With enough players from both continents drama and real wars will be created and people will start to play the game again.
3. Reset. Everything. You. Fucking. Idiots. Ignore the "but muh looms" virgin squad. Fuck em. They won't quit. Grinding from 0 again along with a strat reset with both continents together = surge in interest
4. Also, what the fuck is this thread? Priorities please

No problem, make me moderator/admin and I'll single handedly save this mod

Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: the real god emperor on November 13, 2017, 05:50:38 am
Quote from: Bittersteel on November 12, 2017, 11:52:47 pm
Alright, listen to me if you want to fix this beautiful mod.

1. Fix stable servers. High ping and downtime kills the mod everytime it gets a slight revival.
2. Re-do strat, one calradia map for both NA and EU. Strat can't survive with seperate strat scenes and the occasional "Fun battle!!!" With enough players from both continents drama and real wars will be created and people will start to play the game again.
3. Reset. Everything. You. Fucking. Idiots. Ignore the "but muh looms" virgin squad. Fuck em. They won't quit. Grinding from 0 again along with a strat reset with both continents together = surge in interest
4. Also, what the fuck is this thread? Priorities please

No problem, make me moderator/admin and I'll single handedly save this mod

No way you take my looms you communist cuck
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 13, 2017, 03:23:55 pm
Quote from: Bittersteel on November 12, 2017, 11:52:47 pm
Alright, listen to me if you want to fix this beautiful mod.

1. Fix stable servers. High ping and downtime kills the mod everytime it gets a slight revival.
2. Re-do strat, one calradia map for both NA and EU. Strat can't survive with seperate strat scenes and the occasional "Fun battle!!!" With enough players from both continents drama and real wars will be created and people will start to play the game again.
3. Reset. Everything. You. Fucking. Idiots. Ignore the "but muh looms" virgin squad. Fuck em. They won't quit. Grinding from 0 again along with a strat reset with both continents together = surge in interest
4. Also, what the fuck is this thread? Priorities please

No problem, make me moderator/admin and I'll single handedly save this mod

lmao @ that vote ratio, virgin beta cuck JAMES can't have someone call out his precious looms what a loser LOL. Sad!
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 03:50:46 pm
Tbh if you don't play the game I don't think your opinion on the game is relevant
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 13, 2017, 03:58:27 pm
Holy shit that's some flawless logic right there!

Each time the reset discussion pops up, you and a few other people are against it while the overwhelming majority supports it. I might be wrong, but it feels like the only reason a reset hasn't happened yet is because you are "El Supreme Overlord". You deserve cred for trying to revive the mod atleast. Any response to the combined strat map idea?
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:01:36 pm
A partial wipe is something that has been discussed. And a merged strat map is an interesting idea but might be too much work for the current dev team. Not sure that is something that is achievable.

Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 13, 2017, 04:03:51 pm
Discussion is great.

Isn't is as easy as to just remove the NA Map and move players to EU side?
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:04:35 pm
Why would we do that. If we move to any map it will be NA :lol:
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 13, 2017, 04:09:52 pm
Because the EU side has the full map  :lol: :lol: but obviously you can just switch the servers around  :lol: :lol: if NA has the bigger population  :lol: :lol: some second grade thought process please  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:13:09 pm
The idea of a merged map with battle happening on defenders server is a decent good idea. Again I don't know if its possible professor/dupre would have to comment.

If you act like a cunt I will be sure to provide that right back to you
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 13, 2017, 04:13:48 pm
Quote from: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:01:36 pm
A partial wipe is something that has been discussed.

die, gief full wipe.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 13, 2017, 04:18:22 pm
Quote from: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:13:09 pm
The idea of a merged map with battle happening on defenders server is a decent good idea. Again I don't know if its possible professor/dupre would have to comment.

Good, it would give reason for many to start playing!

Quote from: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:13:09 pm
If you act like a cunt I will be sure to provide that right back to you

What? Was the laugh emoji to your own retarded thought process being a cunt towards me?
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:21:35 pm
I'm sure you have the capacity to understand how you were being a dickhead. You won't get any support from me if that's how you choose to act towards people that put months of effort into reviving the mod.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 13, 2017, 04:25:10 pm
Me calling you a virgin beta cuck? Sorry, I'll clarify, that was an autistic attempt of being funny. There's not a doubt in my mind that you're a CHAD that fucks tons of girls on the weekend. Like I said, I appreciate it a lot that you're putting a lot of effort into reviving cRPG.

Quote from: zottlmarsch on November 13, 2017, 04:13:48 pm
die, gief full wipe.

I'll also clarify Zottlmarschs comment, he doesn't actually want you to die, we both love you man!
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:28:25 pm
I get tired of the same bs from a bunch of players that don't actually play the game.

If you want to do something to support cRPG and help bring players online then play the game.

Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 13, 2017, 04:30:03 pm
Give us reset and combined strat map and I'll bring a chuckload of players baby
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:32:00 pm
A full wipe will not happen but as I said professor is looking at options for a partial wipe. Could happen feel free to join the discussion in discord.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: Bittersteel on November 13, 2017, 04:36:12 pm
What does a partial wipe mean?

Less XP needed in the highers levels is also a good idea for a "partial" reset, ~10 hours for retirement is optimal imo, it was like upwards 25 hours in the past wasn't it?
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: zottlmarsch on November 13, 2017, 04:38:03 pm
Quote from: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 04:32:00 pm
A full wipe will not happen but as I said professor is looking at options for a partial wipe. Could happen feel free to join the discussion in discord.

is that official then, no full wipe....ever? enjoy your dead mod then!  :P

don't have the time to join discord, i just wanna jump into a full(ish) server and kill my brain the odd time. i believe this is not possible without wipe.
Title: Re: Should Native North American / South American Gear Be Added?
Post by: njames89 on November 13, 2017, 05:09:16 pm
Damn a guy that doesn't play the mod is gonna quit playing the mod. What will we do!

You guys have successfully derailed this thread. Though lots of people seem to support the native American gear for now we will not be adding it as weren has lots of other gear to make first. May revisit this at a later date.