Norwegians and their damn guns, Tor also has his dealers. You guys are nuts, stop shooting up schools and shit will ya.
What you mean schools, these niggas shoot up a whole island
Going to any concerts soon?
(click to show/hide)
shoot a mouse too and get a good taxidemist
Thanks for the bump Odin, just picked up a CZ 455 with scope and a suppressor + upgraded trigger, now I can start hunting forest pigeons and crows. Incidentally I also got two packs of surplus ammo for my rifle in the OP, not sure if I'll use them as I've heard surplus ammo can be a bit nastier to your barrel and you have to clean it with water or something after each session.
You should always clean your gun after each session but NEVER and I mean NEVER use water to do it. You need a gun cleaning kit, just google it, they're anywhere from $45 USD to $115 or so. Use the gun oil, which most kits come with. If your gun is brand new or been sitting around for a while you should apply some gun oil to the moving parts before you shoot it. Also, find out how your gun breaks down and get used to completely disassembling it and reassembling it. This not only makes it easier to clean but also easier to replace any parts that might wear out (firing pin, springs, etc.) during the life of the gun. Anyhow, good luck and have fun shooting shit.There's nothing wrong with using water to clean a gun. Indeed it's standard practice especially after it gets exposed to salt water.
There's nothing wrong with using water to clean a gun. Indeed it's standard practice especially after it gets exposed to salt water.
The problem I have with using hot water to clean a gun is getting it all out once the gun itself is clean. There are so many tiny parts that will rust (pretty much overnight) if you aren't thorough enough, especially between the firing plate/firing pin. Plus once you've done that, you're going to need to oil it anyway so why not just skip the hot soapy water clean, and clean it thoroughly with something that isn't corrosive? The only time I've seen hot soapy water cleaning as an effective process is if you're using corrosive ammo such as shot from an older gun IE a musket or something like that, but again you're going to oil the metal anyway after you're initial scrub down unless you like rust. So unless you're shooting corrosive type ammo hot soapy water is not needed or as xant pointed out, you're busting caps in seagulls at the beach exposing your gun to saltwater.You just dry the gun. And of course you use oil as well.
I'm also American and own 4 guns. I've been shooting/hunting for the past 25 years of my life and all my guns are like new condition, even my 30/30 which used to be my grandpas. Never once have I hot water cleaned anything. Just some elbow grease, cleaning kits, and gun oil. Also, I live in Western PA so I've never exposed my guns to saltwater and am not sure why I'd have them at the beach in the first place.
That's a lot of people's opinions if you read through the links you posted. I'd say it's about a 50/50 split on using hot soapy water to clean it.What? That's clearly not what I was referring to, nor is it what the portion you quoted was addressing at all.
What? That's clearly not what I was referring to, nor is it what the portion you quoted was addressing at all.
Did you read and comprehend what the quote said or any of the links you posted did? It seems you didn't.Yes, I did, but you clearly didn't, since you think the person you quoted is somehow presenting an argument for (or against) cleaning guns with water.
I was in the military and I'd put the opinion of an experienced and well-linked gun owner way above those "military practices". Once reasonable guidelines are twisted into common-sense defying abdominations by the sheer force of will of the retarded personnel. The gun-owner might want to sell his items one day. The military man often just doesn't give a shit or isn't able to. At least from what I have seen.If only there were hallowed "gun owners" talking about it and saying they use water behind the links I provided. Alas.
Yes, I did, but you clearly didn't, since you think the person you quoted is somehow presenting an argument for (or against) cleaning guns with water.
I've been in the military. You haven't. My arguments therefore carry 100 times more weight when it comes to cleaning guns.
Jesus christ man how can you not read and think you're still so smart. He's saying the way the military does it is fucked but he doesn't want to raise the issue because he's almost out.No, he's saying that the way his unit does it is fucked up, because they're not doing it properly. See, the thing is, I'm smart and can understand nuances. You're not, so you can't -- you see "we do X with water even though we shouldn't, this results in bad things" and think "hmm, water = bad."
Is that simple enough for you to understand now? Again, if you read the links you posted THOROUGHLY, you'll see that some people (mostly military) do and other people don't.Yes, imagine that -- a thing that some people do and some don't. Clearly this means the portion of people doing it are wrong. And even better, you've decided to cherry pick one of the people who aren't in favor (of doing it wrong....) to champion your cause, while not quoting anyone who thinks it's good. Again, something that a lot of the less clever folk don't realize is that cherry picked opinions don't mean anything, even if (as isn't the case here) they're talking about the right subject.
Xant he clearly says "in the Army", not in my unit in the Army. L2Read. Go reread your links as well. You'll see it's about a 50/50 split as I've said before. As per my previous statement IR Kouin is a new gun owner so he should stick to the easiest and most effective way to clean his gun, until he gets familiar with breaking it down piece by piece. Here we go again with the cherry pickin'. How bout you cherry pick your ass to the nearest place that's hiring and quit leeching off your government."In the Army" means "when I was in the Army, in my unit we did X", since a single person cannot experience all of the Army at once (which should be extremely easy to deduce even with ~70 IQ), and as other posters affirm, what he describes is not common practice in the Army as a whole (for obvious reasons).
water + carbon steel = flash rust (if it's not 110% dry)
Please stop being retarded.
Since you want quotes I'll give you quotes:
My Never and I mean Never do it, is because he's:I suggest you research the definition of "never" and then think about your line of reasoning again.
1. not in the military
2. not firing black powder
3. new gun owner
4. you're wrong
5. I'm right
6. Deal with it
My line of reasoning is sound. He's not a fucking navy seal. He just needs a simple way to clean his gun and I'd assume he doesn't want it to rust in places he can't see.Navy seals don't use guns.
Navy seals don't use guns.
Navy seals don't use guns.
Don't water your gun
I've been in the military. You haven't. My arguments therefore carry 100 times more weight when it comes to cleaning guns.