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Title: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: LooR on May 30, 2011, 08:24:42 pm
Hacking doesnt payoff good!

One day i came up with an idea to try to break into someones account. It was a day after Market was realeased on cRPG mode.
Me, GDaemon and Pizdogryz were trying to break into some account by using random passwords.
After some of easy passwords like (123, strategus, chadz, donkey, cRPG) we tried same password as login names and it worked.
We were shocked!
In the beginning we tought that it was just random person who used same psw as login name.
After some time we were breaking into even more accounts by using that kind of passwords (most of time normall nickname worked even withought clan tag)

After few days of breaking into accounts we made decision to move all heirloomed items onto our account.
Ofcourse we were not that stupid to move them to our account on the beginning so we used inactive account where we were storing that items.
After that we were trading items to our accounts and rest of the items we were selling on market to dodge chadz banhammer ^^.

The next day we realized that our mission failed and we were banned on all cRPG servers. In the beginning i talked to chadz and to be honest i was plaing a fool and tried to trick him
but after a while i admited to say the truth and i told chadz how we managed to break into that many accounts.

I want to apologize all clans that we'v hacked:

-ENG
-Fallen
-Pillagers
-STR
-Pecores

I know that it was really stupid, mindless and unhonorable but remember even person who killed someone comming out from prison after 25 years...
I know that i will met with comments like "fuc!@#" "perm" like GDaemon but i think so that You will consider that i admited to crime and chadz repaired hole in security system.

I think so that it will be warning for futhure to setup that kind of easy passwords.
I know that noone should even try or think about breaking other peoples accounts but i think so that there will be more peoples trying to earn money by easy way..
So i want to warn that hacking doesnt pay off good because justice will get You anyway its just a mattter of time, when chadz or some other admins will find out our sins in Database.

Human leanrs on their mistakes and we just learned that only honest and good work payoff not a hacking.
We wont ever do the same mistake!

I have hope that just a few peoples will atleast few peoples will consider my apologize!
I want to thanks to chadz for giving us a second chance even we did that kind of bad things wich is hacking.
I will face his finall decision even if it means permanent ban.

I want to apologize once again all defrauded peoples and i beg for lenient sentence.
I do really feels bad with what i did.
Hacking doesnt pay off!

EviLLoR
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 30, 2011, 08:30:58 pm
They stole stuff, ban em for life.
He admits that he tried to get away with it but chadz had them collared, same with the other guy they only say sorry cos they have been caught.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Jambi on May 30, 2011, 08:35:49 pm
Stealing useless piece of ****. Once a thief always a thief. I bet you wouldnt have felt so bad... if you didnt get caught.

Btw your essay looks very similair to the guy before you...... personally, i think you dont give a shit.

Ban for life.

Quote
Human leanrs on their mistakes and we just learned that only honest and good work payoff not a hacking.
We wont ever do the same mistake!

Yeah... but you can also learn from others there mistakes. Everyone knows stealing is bad. Nice try buddy
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 30, 2011, 08:53:49 pm
you just needed to add at the end "We woulda got away with it but that meddling  chadz"
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: polkafranzi on May 30, 2011, 09:04:35 pm
same as before, 1 and perma

native is ok but the shields are pretty crap imo - no steel afaik
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Kabookie on May 30, 2011, 09:30:04 pm
When you noticed our members/ players lack of good passwords, that is when you should have admitted what you had done... not after you caused mayhem with their accounts and tried to cover your tracks.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Thovex on May 30, 2011, 09:33:40 pm
I say no perma - simply because:

Ofcourse it's a bad thing to start "hacking" but I can hardly call this "hacking" - I call this more abusing people's sorry if I'm offensive but serious dumbness.

If you have a really simple name or password it's quite obvious that you'll eventually be hacked, I had this before in another MMORPG and it teaches people to use effective passwords instead of simple ones like your own username or anything.

It's fixed now so people have to use common sense when making a password.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Jambi on May 30, 2011, 10:04:37 pm
I say no perma - simply because:

Ofcourse it's a bad thing to start "hacking" but I can hardly call this "hacking" - I call this more abusing people's sorry if I'm offensive but serious dumbness.

If you have a really simple name or password it's quite obvious that you'll eventually be hacked, I had this before in another MMORPG and it teaches people to use effective passwords instead of simple ones like your own username or anything.

It's fixed now so people have to use common sense when making a password.

So its less bad, to steal from dumb people ?

Its plain clear, that he was trying to hack us out of self-interest. People that only care about themselves.. shouldnt belong in a community, were people to try play a game together and have fun.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Wrenaq_Lars on May 30, 2011, 10:16:53 pm
I say no perma - simply because:

Ofcourse it's a bad thing to start "hacking" but I can hardly call this "hacking" - I call this more abusing people's sorry if I'm offensive but serious dumbness.

If you have a really simple name or password it's quite obvious that you'll eventually be hacked, I had this before in another MMORPG and it teaches people to use effective passwords instead of simple ones like your own username or anything.

It's fixed now so people have to use common sense when making a password.
thing is the autoblock hack fellas got banned (as they should) and I see hacking into someones account and stealing from them far worse so permaban
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: WV_Blackitt on May 30, 2011, 10:19:01 pm
Not perm - this wasn't any bad hacks, he was just trying to log in using the same password. It's very inviting to do something with informations like that.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Thovex on May 30, 2011, 10:33:35 pm
So its less bad, to steal from dumb people ?

Its plain clear, that he was trying to hack us out of self-interest. People that only care about themselves.. shouldnt belong in a community, were people to try play a game together and have fun.

I'm not saying it's less bad to "steal from dumb people" It's just dumb that if your password is the same as your username.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: SystemAddict on May 30, 2011, 10:41:12 pm
I say they should be allowed to play again, but with specially modified accounts that no matter what they do, or what they try, they can only play as a naked level 1 peasant with a wooden stick.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: BcBKC on May 30, 2011, 11:03:55 pm
They should be perma banned without even thinking about it. Showing leniency to cheaters isn't going to help discourage them.

If you don't ban them make sure you give all their looms to the peoples accounts they stole from, or atleast penalize them in some way.

Not that the people with hacked accounts deserve them. Using easy passwords like that is just asking for it.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Ujin on May 30, 2011, 11:12:14 pm
Call it a hack, a glitch or whatever you like, i call this  theft.  These people stole things from other people, things that those people worked for in the game. Just because the passwords were so simple to guess doesn't make the hackers look any better. I sure don't want to play with the likes of them on the same servers. Perma ban please.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Siboire on May 30, 2011, 11:43:32 pm
Call it a hack, a glitch or whatever you like, i call this  theft.  These people stole things from other people, things that those people worked for in the game. Just because the passwords were so simple to guess doesn't make the hackers look any better. I sure don't want to play with the likes of them on the same servers. Perma ban please.

Yeah, they tried to ruin the fun/accounts of others and now that their own accounts got ruined (banned) they feel bad? Should have thought about it earlier pal...
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Gzywa on May 30, 2011, 11:55:53 pm
I think everyone deserves a second chance, i'm not admiring what he has done but IMO people who have such easy passwords are just begging to be hacked.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Ujin on May 31, 2011, 12:10:30 am
I think everyone deserves a second chance, i'm not admiring what he has done but IMO people who have such easy passwords are just begging to be hacked.
But Your Honour, that old lady was asking for it walking down the street at 11 pm with that purse ... You get the point.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Malaclypse on May 31, 2011, 02:15:54 am
lol at people having such weak passwords.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Reinhardt on May 31, 2011, 03:27:17 am
But Your Honour, that old lady was asking for it walking down the street at 11 pm with that purse ... You get the point.

This.

I'm generally a lenient person, but this is just an idiotic offense.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Blondin on May 31, 2011, 03:35:46 am
They used inactive accounts to try to hide their actions... They made many test to try to find more and more password... And noone of them ever thinked that they could ruin the fun of their victims.

Damm i hope that they will not find a cheap sell of MB after their perma ban.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Camaris on May 31, 2011, 12:00:14 pm
At least 6 month ban + deleting every of his heirlooms.

I would give him permaban.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Jarlek on May 31, 2011, 01:55:50 pm
These people stole, did nothing to tell any devs about the security hole and then tried to get away with it. Only when chadz got them they confessed and told anyone about this. I never saw anyone of them regret it in their essays ether. They should not be allowed back. BUT! IF they do then make them suffer for it.
They stole heirlooms right? So what about putting a level cap for all their characters at 30 and never letting them get any heirlooms again. No access to the market ether and no ability to use the skip to level 30 thing. Level cap at 30 for them and no market. Let them on strategus tough, or they will just buy new CD-keys. This is the pay off for their stealing and delaying strat.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Oberyn on May 31, 2011, 02:29:01 pm
"Sure, I stole that guy's plasma TV, but he left his window open! You shouldn't punish me for taking advantage of idiots".
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: HarunYahya on May 31, 2011, 03:09:21 pm
I've read your "Confessions of a Serial Killer" oops i meant "Unban essay" .
Since you made it for once then you repeat the same crime , you should be grateful to cRPG team cuz they didn't sentence you to death.
I do not want to play this game with you so ...
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Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Cheap_Shot on May 31, 2011, 06:22:34 pm
Jeeze that was short and wasn't even an essay!
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Berserkadin on May 31, 2011, 06:49:33 pm
1 and Permban, like people before me have written, these assholes wouldnt be sorry if they would have gotten away with this.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Varric on May 31, 2011, 06:51:33 pm
Too bad.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Wildling on June 02, 2011, 07:13:03 am
1 and Permban, like people before me have written, these assholes wouldnt be sorry if they would have gotten away with this.

This. Give these assholes the perm-ban they deserve.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Vibe on June 02, 2011, 07:38:41 am
fuck you
permaban
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: EponiCo on June 02, 2011, 07:42:32 am
Nah, give them a second chance. Let them do some good work for the community. Like for the next 50 million xp they are capped at level 5 and all their xp and gold goes to gen 1 players?
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Vibe on June 02, 2011, 10:31:34 am
Nah, give them a second chance. Let them do some good work for the community. Like for the next 50 million xp they are capped at level 5 and all their xp and gold goes to gen 1 players?

I guess that's ok too.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: JKos on June 02, 2011, 12:53:32 pm
They should donate 20 EUR to cRPG for server upkeep.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Ujin on June 02, 2011, 12:55:43 pm
They should donate 20 EUR to cRPG for server upkeep.
No. You don't pay money to avoid a sentence unless there's corruption involved.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: JKos on June 02, 2011, 01:08:42 pm
No. You don't pay money to avoid a sentence unless there's corruption involved.

I don't know where you live, but in Finland it's common that you have to pay a fine for small criminal acts. And Finland is one of the least corrupted countries. But anyway they can get a new copy of warband with 25 EUR, so i think 20 EUR would be enough.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Ujin on June 02, 2011, 02:38:01 pm
I don't know where you live, but in Finland it's common that you have to pay a fine for small criminal acts. And Finland is one of the least corrupted countries. But anyway they can get a new copy of warband with 25 EUR, so i think 20 EUR would be enough.
Is stealing considered a minor felony in Finland ? Of course it depends on the price of the items that were stolen/amount of money , but then again , heirlooms are the most precious (hard to get) things for cRPG players.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: BlameMeForTheNoise on June 03, 2011, 12:48:03 am
I seriously don't see why there is even an the argument. If something like this happened in any other serious, respectable MP-Game they would simply get a permaban and off with it. No questions asked.

Only here people are so used to the lobbying and influencing things they (with good cause) should have no voice in whatsoever that arguing about this is even considered. Of course this is a "selfrun" mod without any "real" balancing/testing-team (and this is a load of work, i know) and in this line of thought it could or would sometimes help to let the community be heard...

But this? Its not even hilarious anymore. Its short of ridiculous.
This are just my - possibly a little bit drunken- two angry cents. But at least I tried to keep it troll-free and reasonable.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Korgoth on June 03, 2011, 01:22:20 am
Ban for life
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Thovex on June 03, 2011, 11:49:28 am
They should donate 20 EUR to cRPG for server upkeep.

Or just buy a new copy for 10 EUR in the shop.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Erathsmus on June 05, 2011, 01:57:12 am
lol Hacking doesn't payoff good yall! Hacking is a serious offense, and a badly written essay isn't going to change that.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: RagnarLodbroke on June 05, 2011, 04:03:50 am
Cant believe that actually U did this Lor, i always tought u was a really good player!

U dont deserver a 2 chance, thats my toughts!
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Lobster on June 05, 2011, 05:14:16 pm
The essays reads like it has been written be a retarded monkey wearing plate mittens.

The only thing the guy is sorry about is getting his account banned. hacking ppls accounts is as low as it can get, the amount of hours the players who was hacked had put into this game. For some thoughtless cunts to wreck it all.

SCUM!!!

Perm ban.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Wookimonsta on June 06, 2011, 03:09:20 pm
hmm...
you mad?

seriously though, if they apologize, delete their chars and make em start over, those hacked get their chars reset with all gens and heirloom points.
problem solved.
my 2 cents

also, i hope this taught the people who got hacked a valuable lesson about security. if you are stupid enough to use your name as a password, refrain from using facebook and the like.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Toffi on June 06, 2011, 03:20:52 pm
hmm...
you mad?

seriously though, if they apologize, delete their chars and make em start over, those hacked get their chars reset with all gens and heirloom points.
problem solved.
my 2 cents

also, i hope this taught the people who got hacked a valuable lesson about security. if you are stupid enough to use your name as a password, refrain from using facebook and the like.

i agree with Wooki, got the same idea, let them start oer, I like the way that they apologize.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Razzen on June 06, 2011, 03:31:36 pm
Down with hackers!
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Reinhardt on June 07, 2011, 12:59:13 am
who the hell uses a login name as password
but anyway they should be banned for fucking life, scum of the internet

And that's saying something! My opinion on all of them is the same: keep them banned.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Nessaj on June 07, 2011, 02:59:17 pm
In general people are horrible at remembering proper passwords that doesn't mean its OK to take advantage of them, same thing as you do not take advantage of the lesser fortunate (in any way).

Yes, having the same password as character name, is, extremely silly, but that isn't an invitation to hack (in reality the correct term is 'crack') these peoples accounts. Same thing as leaving your doors unlocked aren't an invitation to rob your house and so on, or to use a more 'close' analogy, take for example someone who doesn't use an administrator password on their computer, not the best idea if its connected online but even so that IS NOT an invitation to wreck havoc...

Hopefully those 'cracked' learned a lesson and are returned their items/gens, doesn't make it okay.

I'm all for redemption but hmm...

Sad to see you do this LoR, you were a good player, we could devour whole teams as a duo.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Thomek on June 07, 2011, 05:03:24 pm
Simply let them choose.

Donate at the current price of warband (keep their chars and half their xp half their heirlooms), or let them buy a new key.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Razzen on June 07, 2011, 06:43:53 pm
Simply let them choose.

Donate at the current price of warband (keep their chars and half their xp half their heirlooms), or let them buy a new key.
If you ask me then buying a new key is a easy way to be able to play again, even if you "hacked" alot of accounts, so i would say do it.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Penitent on June 17, 2011, 08:10:07 pm
He tried to get a thrill, and was caught.  He is sorry.
I say let him back.  Do you think he's be stupid enough to hack again?  That would be the only reason to keep him banned.

I don't think this is the case.  Based on the info we have (his past actions and his essay) I don't think he is a threat any longer.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Korgoth on June 26, 2011, 12:59:37 am
I say unban them and delete everything on thier characters. Let them start all over again. Maybe give away their hierlooms to people just to rub it in more.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Bokuzen on June 27, 2011, 07:44:34 am
BURN THEM
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on June 27, 2011, 02:30:17 pm
I say unban them and delete everything on thier characters. Let them start all over again.

Thats fair.

Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Reyiz on August 12, 2011, 10:06:05 pm
heh, banning him from DB didnt work as it seems, he bought a new cd key still plays the game...
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: deathbringer521 on August 31, 2011, 06:02:01 am
They stole stuff, ban em for life.
(they stole stuff if your reason? c'mon atleast come up with an original point (even though m point is not original, still)) EVERYONE deserves a second chance, in the end no harm was done, a few accounts got hacked, items stolen, but all the damage was repaired. im not saying what they did wasn't wrong, it was wrong definitely wrong, but they all still should get a second chance it doesnt matter who they are.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Blondin on August 31, 2011, 09:30:51 am
(they stole stuff if your reason? c'mon atleast come up with an original point (even though m point is not original, still)) EVERYONE deserves a second chance, in the end no harm was done, a few accounts got hacked, items stolen, but all the damage was repaired. im not saying what they did wasn't wrong, it was wrong definitely wrong, but they all still should get a second chance it doesnt matter who they are.

Nice necro mate!

No they deserve permaban, no fuckin pity for this guys who don't give a fuck of others
Their mind is corrupted by envy and stupidity, this is a game, it's meant to play for fun, we don't need such behaviour.
Btw, they have their chance, they just have to buy a new key.

Next time you necro a thread, try to bring valid point and say something usefull.
(Is he a friend of yours?)
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Patoson on September 02, 2011, 01:46:24 pm
These guys should be permabanned.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: verinen on September 02, 2011, 04:00:23 pm
You guys, shouldn't be surprised. Come on! It's Grey Order's doing. It is nothing new. Thing like this hapenned a few times before...
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Thovex on September 02, 2011, 11:42:19 pm
Fucking funny that theres still people complaining after this happened 4 MONTHS AGO.
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: Dezilagel on September 03, 2011, 03:15:52 pm
Fucking funny that theres still people complaining after this happened 4 MONTHS AGO.

Best post in this thread thus far
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: polkafranzi on September 03, 2011, 03:18:51 pm
Best post in this thread thus far

I WANT JUSTICE
Title: Re: Hacking doesnt payoff
Post by: djavo on February 27, 2012, 07:36:02 pm
nice essay