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Title: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Turkhammer on March 28, 2017, 11:35:13 pm
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Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Ikarus on March 29, 2017, 12:07:21 am
please sum it up, I´m dumb and I can´t read that much text without assistance
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Casimir on March 29, 2017, 12:39:52 am
EU is a corrupt, technocratic and oligarchic system which is damaging to left wing social democratic values.  Left wingers should embrace brexit as the author believe the constitution and institutional framework of the EU makes it only favorable with neo-liberlism and not with democracy or socialist agendas.  By embracing leaving the EU left wingers can somehow reclaim lost ground from the right (something which the british left certainly hasn't managed lol).

It's nothing new and doesnt actually offer anything different from what the same sort of shit the guardian was pushing in the years before the EU referendum became a reality.  It ignore the fact that most of the centre left would prefer neo-liberlism with some social democracy to the free reign that brexit has given to the right and while claiming to be internationalists shows absolutely no evidence of that what so ever.  Its basically an article explaining why someone like Corbyn is willing to stick his head in the ground and get fucked in the arse.
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Paul on March 29, 2017, 07:45:44 am
Also, getting rid of the stupid EU environmental laws gives them island apes the opportunity to gloriously evolve into the dirty man of Europe once again.
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Molly on March 29, 2017, 08:12:15 am
Also, getting rid of the stupid EU environmental laws gives them island apes the opportunity to gloriously evolve into the dirty man of Europe once again.
...like Trump removing the restrictive policies on coal and which in return will bring more JOBS JOBS JOBS! Sad!
Although, according to some articles, the solar power industries already employs twice as many people as coal...
...details!

Personally, I am looking forward to the spectacle the Brexit will bring politically.
Only because I can watch from the sideline and cheer for the EU :lol:
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Grytviken on March 29, 2017, 09:35:07 am
...like Trump removing the restrictive policies on coal and which in return will bring more JOBS JOBS JOBS! Sad!
Although, according to some articles, the solar power industries already employs twice as many people as coal...
...details!

Personally, I am looking forward to the spectacle the Brexit will bring politically.
Only because I can watch from the sideline and cheer for the EU :lol:

First you need to pay your NATO debts..... 350 billion.....then we can talk about burning coal.....

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Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Molly on March 29, 2017, 11:54:17 am
First you need to pay your NATO debts..... 350 billion.....then we can talk about burning coal.....

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Our Mistress of Defence says that you have to subtract the money we're spending on Nato missions. Meaning the Nato owes us actually :P
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: njames89 on March 29, 2017, 02:25:10 pm
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Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Casimir on March 29, 2017, 02:38:19 pm
If I've learnt anything studying EU law it's that no one should  'cheer for the EU' in its current form.  It categorically fails to meet any of its own defined standards or objectives, has too much autocratic power over areas which are largely of national interest and so few in areas which would benefit the international community.   Overall the organisation is in desperate need of reform but there is so little impetus to do so at the commission level that this will never happen, they would rather hang on to the influence they have then attempt anything which would allow the organisation to develop.
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Paul on March 29, 2017, 04:19:33 pm
I've never seen a Native speaker make the then/than mistake before. Admit it, you are secretly a Continental by heart.
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Casimir on March 29, 2017, 08:05:13 pm
I've never seen a Native speaker make the then/than mistake before. Admit it, you are secretly a Continental by heart.

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Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Molly on March 29, 2017, 08:08:20 pm
If I've learnt anything studying EU law it's that no one should  'cheer for the EU' in its current form.  It categorically fails to meet any of its own defined standards or objectives, has too much autocratic power over areas which are largely of national interest and so few in areas which would benefit the international community.   Overall the organisation is in desperate need of reform but there is so little impetus to do so at the commission level that this will never happen, they would rather hang on to the influence they have then attempt anything which would allow the organisation to develop.
Valid critique while completely ignoring all the benefits?

That's what I miss with all those EU-damnation statements... most they completely ignore that massive benefits that come from the EU.
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: njames89 on March 29, 2017, 08:15:57 pm
You misspelled benetits

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Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Grytviken on March 29, 2017, 10:01:56 pm
Cau dy ffycin ceg

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Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Casimir on March 30, 2017, 12:57:45 am
Have you ever been to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?
Yeah the only redeeming feature of that typically shit north wales town is the announcement on the train. 

Valid critique while completely ignoring all the benefits?

That's what I miss with all those EU-damnation statements... most they completely ignore that massive benefits that come from the EU.

Oh i don't ignore the benefits at all, the organisation has achieved some incredible things in a wide variety of sectors, the politic stemming from it has made my life so much better providing a huge amount of opportunities that would other wise have never been there.  What I can't believe in is the obnoxious europhilia that ignores the systemic problems in the EU and makes it so anyone who dares to criticise the organisation is labelled as an uneducated xenophobe that doesn't understand and is clearly so ignorant that their opinion is invalid - something which is un-ironically stated among some Europhiles. 

I'm pro-EU and definitely pro european integration but I do not support the organisation in its current form, it needs to change become more democratic and reshape the existing treaties to unambiguously reflect its nature and objectives (something which will hopefully happen in the next few years), if not it will only attract more dissent and cause more harm to itself and its citizens than what its done over the last few decades.
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Grytviken on March 30, 2017, 04:17:30 am
Our Mistress of Defence says that you have to subtract the money we're spending on Nato missions. Meaning the Nato owes us actually :P

If you donate all your money to charity does that exempt you from paying the electric or water bill? Tsk tsk ....what example does this set for the others who are even further behind their obligations..



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Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Xant on March 30, 2017, 08:00:19 am
Our Mistress of Defence says that you have to subtract the money we're spending on Nato missions. Meaning the Nato owes us actually :P
How can NATO owe Germany when Germany's a member state of NATO? NATO's missions are Germany's missions as much as they are anyone's. That's like saying you're in debt to yourself because you bought things from the grocery store.
Title: Re: The liberal case for Brexit
Post by: Grytviken on March 30, 2017, 08:03:59 am
How can NATO owe Germany when Germany's a member state of NATO? That's like saying you're in debt to yourself because you bought things from the grocery store.

....2017... having to beg Germany to spend 1%of their budget on their own military because they are going on an international charity rampage... :lol: 

basically they are going above and beyond on peacekeeping, foreign aid and training missions, on that they should be applauded, but at the same time they are not adequately equipping and maintaining their own military equipment to mandatory NATO obligation standards which sets a bad precedent if they ever want other countries to share a equal and proportionate burden of the alliance in the future...