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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => EU (Official) => Topic started by: Gandalf77 on February 28, 2016, 08:48:20 pm

Title: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 28, 2016, 08:48:20 pm
1. Name of your character involved - Bowman_of_Rohirrim
2. Name of offending character(s) - Rest_in_Peace
3. Time and server, as accurately as possible 20:37(GMT+1)
4. Written description of what happened, the whole story. Also what happened before and after.  I was aiming for enemy in the gate he stabbed me first almost for no dmg no idea why after than when i reported him he tked me.
5. Why you think the offender did what he did.* Rage about report. And no idea why he begun to hit me
6. Multiple Screenshots
(click to show/hide)
7. Names of players who witnessed what happened.**  some players on the screen
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: pogosan on February 28, 2016, 08:59:50 pm
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 28, 2016, 09:05:27 pm
Quote from: pogosan on February 28, 2016, 08:59:50 pm
Looks like it's the middle of the round and he accidentally hit you 3 times in a row during fight. He uses swords with long reach so it's hard not to hit team mates.

inb4 Guray comes

yea behind the lines he hit archer gg 3 times in a row. Write better lies Hobo
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: pogosan on February 28, 2016, 09:07:48 pm
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Finse on February 28, 2016, 09:11:55 pm
tbh honest a pic of a chat Box cant prove 100% of the story

you might be in his way
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: tropik33 on February 28, 2016, 09:13:08 pm
I saw this, wasnt really paying attention on that but it didnt seem like 3 accidental  hits
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: LEKIS on February 28, 2016, 09:15:01 pm
I'll start to printscreen and put up a banrequest every time someone hits me more than once aswell.


Ratings for this banthread:
Evidence: 1.5/8
Screens: -2/8
Topkeks:24.5/8

Over all: 8

Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 this 8/8
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: pogosan on February 28, 2016, 09:21:47 pm
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 28, 2016, 09:29:15 pm
Quote from: pogosan on February 28, 2016, 09:21:47 pm
It's not that rest in peace breaks rules more than others it's constant hate on him by those who don't like him. And if you check his last ban thread it was created by the member of SGuards clan, now it's Rider from Polanie. If I tell you that both Polanie and SGuards are our enemies in strat and rip is one of the best our fighters I think you can see the whole picture.

ofc he dont break the rules. Look at his bans history, i have even screens when he was leeching 3 maps but i didnt posted it becouse i dont care, he did not do anything to me with that but he tk me for what? becouse you like to make me mad? becouse you lose at strat? maybe you want to make me mad so i will tk him back so he can go on forum and admin will ban me instead of him so my faction will lose commander in battles for some time?
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Yeldur on February 28, 2016, 10:46:56 pm
I saw the argument you two were having in the server and to be honest, over one teamkill that's a waste of time.

Your evidence isn't sufficient enough as it is as it gives no context to the situation thus is worthless, for all the admins know it could have just been an accident (Note how the screen shows the kill at the bottom of the screen instead of showing what happened before AND after. So RIP COULD have apologised and we'd never know.)


Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: the real god emperor on February 28, 2016, 11:05:43 pm
I was there, RIP apologized after the kill, hitting someone multiple times doesn't make everyone assume it is intentional. RIP is on the edge of an essay ban and I knew people were going to get him banned again because of that, but I honestly don't want to see one of my faction leaders getting banned over such little evidence.

Waiting for Guray to translate OP from Turkish..
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: pogosan on February 28, 2016, 11:34:22 pm
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: XyNox on February 29, 2016, 08:43:55 am
Quote from: Kratos on February 28, 2016, 11:05:43 pm
RIP is on the edge of an essay ban

That is true and most of the defenders I see here appear to be people that I frequently see with him when he is pushing his limits or very close of doing so. I will not draw a final conclusion from one screenshot without checking the logs first but 3 teamhits in a row by accident seems rather unlikely, especially so soon after the round started.

Also, it strikes me as a bit odd that you pogosan have a screenshot of your own ready to present about this matter, as if you were already prepared for an action that knowlingly would provoke a banthread.

I will consult other admins about this, I just hope the logs dont reveal anything unfavourable Rest_In_Peace. Afterall I hope the talk we had after your last ban was not for nothing.
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: the real god emperor on February 29, 2016, 08:53:50 am
Quote from: XyNox on February 29, 2016, 08:43:55 am
Also, it strikes me as a bit odd that you pogosan have a screenshot of your own ready to present about this matter, as if you were already prepared for an action that knowlingly would provoke a banthread.

Actually it's not that weird, I take screenshots of everything as well.

I mean this is Rider, he creates a ban thread for everything. e.g.: http://forum.melee.org/eu-(official)/ban-gengis_kharn/ (http://forum.melee.org/eu-(official)/ban-gengis_kharn/) pretty fresh too.

I am sure if it was a legit intentional TK there would be more people witnessing the situation, since even newbies don't avoid the situation.
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Yeldur on February 29, 2016, 08:59:32 am
I mean considering the argument they had, Rider even said he was going to make a ban thread so it's quite likely to assume that Kratos knew that he was going to bullshit the post up by making it very bias by not presenting all the facts such as an apology, thus he took a screenshot.
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 29, 2016, 09:45:02 am
Quote from: pogosan on February 28, 2016, 11:34:22 pm
Here's the screen on which rest in peace apologizes to Rider:

(click to show/hide)

Rider doesn't want justice, his only desire is to get his rival banned. He would get charged in court for falsifying facts but luckily for him it's just a game. Would someone who intentionally kills a team mate apologize for it? I don't think so, if I was mad I'd curse him and make a kick poll and rip even corrected his misspell.

If you really cared for rules Rider you would provide whole story without hiding parts of it, now you behave like government's channels in 3rd world countries.

So in your opinion its  not breaking the rules to kill someone ON PURPOSE and say sorry after that? Btw i started to do ban threat after i took the screenshoot, even if he said sorry its against the rules to tk someone ON PURPOSE if i good know or i mistake ? Maybe now everyone will start to tk some random guy at beginning of the round and say sorry after that and all will be fine?

And why he shouldnt  write false apologize to make some shit posts like you here?
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Latvian on February 29, 2016, 09:48:35 am
ban for like 2 hours and get over with it
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Finse on February 29, 2016, 09:58:58 am
How do You know its ON PURPOSE? everyone makes mistakes, Your just a grumpy fart who wants to ban people You dont like
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Molly on February 29, 2016, 10:01:36 am
May I remind everyone that this is a ban thread and not a freaking open discussion!
Title: Re: Ban Rest_in_Peace
Post by: Rico on February 29, 2016, 09:37:12 pm
I am not under the impression that there is sufficient evidence proving the teamhits were intentional. The server could have been on low population like so often, which would explain why the teamkill has seemingly happened shortly after the repairs. The many chat messages before the start of the fight suggest that time has passed between the repairs from last round and the fight in this round. This hypothesis is supported by the fact the chat messages were a conversation between few people rather than unrelated comments from different senders who posted all at the same time upon respawn.

The precaution to take a screenshot with the "sorry" message is one I would have undertaken as a player as well, knowing that OP has a reputation for overusing ban threads even upon minor situations.

I am aware that RIP is not pushing himself very hard to act conformable with the rules, but during my play time on the servers, he has not exceeded the threshold of rule-violating behavior that would justify a serious ban. To clarify, let me refer to a situation a few days ago on EU7: RIP was standing around the virgin, chatting, moving occassionally and killing straggler bots. While we should punish people for AFK-leeching over several minutes, for example, we cannot ban people for eating a snack or rolling a cigarette in front of their PC, chatting ingame and killing a few bots around the virgin instead of tryharding 100% of the time on the front lines.

I guess RIP is just not as popular as other guys out there. This is because someone asked me to ban him in a situation exactly as described above; he was limiting his contribution to help the team but not AFK, engaged in sabotage or actively leeching. For educational reasons, I followed the request and banned RIP for 1 minute, but applying the same standards, I banned the guy who reported him for 2 minutes because the reporter had only half the kills RIP had despite both being highlevel.

Given
1) the OP who seemingly tries to get everyone banned for almost anything,
2) RIP being targeted by unjustified ban requests in the past,
3) and insufficient evidence in this specific example,

I conclude that doing nothing is the perfect response. The reasoning has been peer-reviewed by Uther and XyNoX.

We could have avoided posting this wall of text if the server logs updated, but unfortunately, clinging to hidden signs and their interpretation is the only way to handle ban requests for the time being, unless there is overwhelmingly clear evidence.

@RIP: Please be more careful with teamhits in the future!