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Title: repair cost rape
Post by: deathbringer521 on May 28, 2011, 10:20:17 pm
is there anyway to avoid the RAPE caused by the repair cost of my Arablast and steel bolts? seriously, its getting up to 1000 gold per repair and its kinda pissing me off
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Bjarky on May 28, 2011, 10:34:58 pm
wear cheap armor until the x gold is about 2-3x.
as long your total gear is about 25k at x1, it isn't a problem.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: okiN on May 29, 2011, 12:24:21 am
Even 35k will easily get you a profit, because you can't lose all the time. Wear less armour.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: deathbringer521 on May 29, 2011, 12:48:09 am
i wear cloth armor, it costs 15 gold to repair all of it, its the arablast repair that kills me
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Baggy on May 29, 2011, 12:55:42 am
i wear cloth armor, it costs 15 gold to repair all of it, its the arablast repair that kills me
Ya...no
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Snatch on May 29, 2011, 01:47:13 am
is there anyway to avoid theRAPE caused by the repair cost of my Arablast and steel bolts? seriously, its getting up to 1000 gold per repair and its kinda pissing me off

Please stop using the word rape when discussing game mechanics. When I was a little boy, my mother and father used to argue a lot. Some mornings, I would wake up to the alarming sound of my parents arguing loudly. The disagreement would continue until my father would yell with finality, "That is it! I'm not talking about this anymore!" The dispute would end right there. My mother never got the last word.

My dad's yelling made me shrink in fear; I wanted to do something to make him stop raging against my mother. In those moments, I felt powerless because I was too small to confront my father. I learned early that he had an unfair advantage because of his gender. His size, strength and power intimidated my mother. I never saw my father hit her, but I did witness how injurious his verbal jabs could be when they landed on my mom's psyche.

My father didn't always mistreat my mother, but when he did, I identified with her pain, not his bullying. When he hurt her, he hurt me, too. My mother and I had a special bond. She was funny, smart, loving and beautiful. She was a great listener who made me feel special and important. And whenever the going got tough, she was my rock and my foundation.

One morning, after my father yelled at my mom during an argument, she and I stood in the bathroom together, alone, getting ready for the day ahead of us. The tension in the house was as thick as a cloud of dark smoke. I could tell that my mother was upset. "I love you, Ma, but I just wish that you had a little more spunk when you argue with Daddy," I said, low enough so my father couldn't hear me. She looked at me, rubbed my back and forced a smile.

I so badly wanted my mother to stand up for herself. I didn't understand why she had to submit to him whenever they fought. Who was he to lay down the law in the household? What made him so special?

I grew to resent my father's dominance in the household, even though I loved him as dearly as I loved my mother. His anger and intimidation shut down my mother, sister and me from freely expressing our opinions whenever they didn't sit well with his own. Something about the inequity in their relationship felt unjust to me, but at that young age, I couldn't articulate why.

One day, as we sat at the kitchen table after another of their many spats, my mother told me, "Byron, don't ever treat a woman the way your father treats me." I wish I had listened to her advice.

As I grew older and got into my own relationships with girls and women, I sometimes behaved as I saw my father behave. I, too, became defensive and verbally abusive whenever the girl or woman I was dating criticized or challenged me. I would belittle my girlfriends by scrutinizing their weight or their choices in clothes. In one particular college relationship, I often used my physical size to intimidate my petite girlfriend, standing over her and yelling to get my point across during arguments.

I had internalized what I had seen in my home and was slowly becoming what I had disdained as a young boy. Although my mother attempted to teach me better, I, like a lot of boys and men, felt entitled to mistreat the female gender when it benefited me to do so.

After graduating from college, I needed a job. I learned about a new outreach program that was set to launch. It was called the Mentors in Violence Prevention Project. As a student-athlete, I had done community outreach, and the MVP Project seemed like a good gig until I got a real job in my field: journalism.

Founded by Jackson Katz, the MVP Project was designed to use the status of athletes to make gender violence socially unacceptable. When I met with Katz, I didn't realize that the project was a domestic violence prevention program. Had I known that, I wouldn't have gone in for the job interview.

So when Katz explained that they were looking to hire a man to help institutionalize curricula about preventing gender violence at high schools and colleges around the country, I almost walked out the door. But during my interview, Katz asked me an interesting question. "Byron, how does African-American men's violence against African-American women uplift the African-American community?"

No one had ever asked me that question before. As an African-American man who was deeply concerned about race issues, I had never given much thought about how emotional abuse, battering, sexual assault, street harassment and rape could affect an entire community, just as racism does.

The following day, I attended a workshop about preventing gender violence, facilitated by Katz. There, he posed a question to all of the men in the room: "Men, what things do you do to protect yourself from being raped or sexually assaulted?"

Not one man, including myself, could quickly answer the question. Finally, one man raised his hand and said, "Nothing." Then Katz asked the women, "What things do you do to protect yourself from being raped or sexually assaulted?" Nearly all of the women in the room raised their hand. One by one, each woman testified:

"I don't make eye contact with men when I walk down the street," said one.
"I don't put my drink down at parties," said another.
"I use the buddy system when I go to parties."
"I cross the street when I see a group of guys walking in my direction."
"I use my keys as a potential weapon."
"I carry mace or pepper spray."
"I watch what I wear."

The women went on for several minutes, until their side of the blackboard was completely filled with responses. The men's side of the blackboard was blank. I was stunned. I had never heard a group of women say these things before. I thought about all of the women in my life -- including my mother, sister and girlfriend -- and realized that I had a lot to learn about gender.

Days after that workshop, Katz offered me the job as a mentor-training specialist, and I accepted his offer. Although I didn't know much about gender issues from an academic standpoint, I quickly learned on the job. I read books and essays by bell hooks, Patricia Hill Collins, Angela Davis and other feminist writers.

Like most guys, I had bought into the stereotype that all feminists were white, lesbian, unattractive male bashers who hated all men. But after reading the work of these black feminists, I realized that this was far from the truth. After digging into their work, I came to really respect the intelligence, courage and honesty of these women.

Feminists did not hate men. In fact, they loved men. But just as my father had silenced my mother during their arguments to avoid hearing her gripes, men silenced feminists by belittling them in order to dodge hearing the truth about who we are.

I learned that feminists offered an important critique about a male-dominated society that routinely, and globally, treated women like second-class citizens. They spoke the truth, and even though I was a man, their truth spoke to me. Through feminism, I developed a language that helped me better articulate things that I had experienced growing up as a male.

Feminist writings about patriarchy, racism, capitalism and structural sexism resonated with me because I had witnessed firsthand the kind of male dominance they challenged. I saw it as a child in my home and perpetuated it as an adult. Their analysis of male culture and male behavior helped me put my father's patriarchy into a much larger social context, and also helped me understand myself better.

I decided that I loved feminists and embraced feminism. Not only does feminism give woman a voice, but it also clears the way for men to free themselves from the stranglehold of traditional masculinity. When we hurt the women in our lives, we hurt ourselves, and we hurt our community, too.

As I became an adult, my father's behavior toward my mother changed. As he aged he mellowed, and stopped being so argumentative and verbally abusive. My mother grew to assert herself more whenever they disagreed.

It shocked me to hear her get in the last word as my father listened without getting angry. That was quite a reversal. Neither of them would consider themselves to be feminists, but I believe they both learned over time how to be fuller individuals who treated each other with mutual respect. By the time my father died from cancer in 2007, he was proudly sporting the baseball cap around town that I had given him that read, "End Violence Against Women." Who says men can't be feminists?
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Apsod on May 29, 2011, 01:55:09 am
Whoa :o Did you really write all that just now?

I am not sure if you just copy and pasted that from somewhere or if that is real. If it is real then you have my condolences.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Seawied on May 29, 2011, 02:23:39 am
actually, that was written by Byron Hurt. Been featured on NPR and numerous other places.


::edit::
you really should give credit to the original author, Gaga.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Baggy on May 29, 2011, 04:30:30 am
Who says men can't be feminists?
I say so.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on May 29, 2011, 04:39:10 am
I see where you're coming from OP, I too occasionally balk at being brutally raped by repair costs. Nobody should have to feel this way--as if a gigantic penis is being inserted into their anus without consent. Some think that I exagerate, but I do not. Paying for my courser is like being tied to a chair and being fucked in every hole of my body by dicks. Upkeep is simply rapetastic. It happens randomly and without mutual consent, and it leaves the victim feeling insecure

and sticky.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: DarkFox on May 29, 2011, 04:47:41 am
is there anyway to avoid the RAPE caused by the repair cost of my Arablast and steel bolts? seriously, its getting up to 1000 gold per repair and its kinda pissing me off
Repair price is very low. Its just boring that people can easily wear any expensive gear, like arbalest greatsword or poleaxe. Same for armor. I am starting to loose gold only when I have like 50k equipment. So I dont know about which rape you are talking about.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on May 29, 2011, 05:37:48 am
But in all seriousness, there should really be no rape going on. I find that if I keep my costs near too or less than 2k gold I still make money, even at mostly x1.

How much do all ur items cost, all together?

I'd suggest switching back and forth betwen arbelast and some weaker xbow. That includes bolts.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Diavolo on May 29, 2011, 07:30:18 am
There should be a thread about money managing. People who dont have a large surplus of money will get in this problem: get better and better equipment untill they start losing money so they cant afford to use their gear no more. What people need to know is what is a suiteable total equipment cost for different situations? earn a lot, earn a bit or just avoid losing. This is also nice to know for the different multipliers, so if someone sets up their equipment so they just dont lose money on 1x they are safe. They dont lose money even if they lose, while higher multipliers give a good surplus.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: BlackMilk on May 29, 2011, 07:34:51 am
Even 35k will easily get you a profit, because you can't lose all the time. Wear less armour.
I swear that I have to repair my Katana 9 out of 10 times and this is why I dont use it in Siege anymore. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Tzar on May 29, 2011, 12:23:19 pm
Its and lottery either you escape the high repairs or it picks your best item 5 out 10 times and your buffer will get ruined and you have to wear light peasent gear 5 games to make up for it..

Just cross your fingers each time round end and hope for the best  :lol:
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Leesin on May 29, 2011, 03:06:22 pm
Then use a cheaper xbow until you build up enough funds you can use Arbalest for a very long time. Arbalest should be expensive because it's damn powerful, I use it on my xbow alt and I use it constantly without having to trade out because I have a small lump of gold that covers my repair costs. If you are paying repair every round you are just really unlucky.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Polobow on May 29, 2011, 05:05:49 pm
(click to show/hide)

Now that is what i call the opposite usage of  wat (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Wat)!
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Jacko on May 29, 2011, 05:44:38 pm
Repair cost is fine. I have about 32k upkeep with my arbalest and it's no problem. Just have a small buffer. I've made 150k (slowly, over time) with my current equipment.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 29, 2011, 07:02:33 pm
actually, that was written by Byron Hurt. Been featured on NPR and numerous other places.


::edit::
you really should give credit to the original author, Gaga.

Could someone find a link for me of the original article, or an article that just shows what GaGa posted? I tried googling his name but all I am finding is other stuff :/

Found it, never mind
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: deathbringer521 on May 29, 2011, 07:54:58 pm
altogether my gear costs exactly 23,358 gold. 21,360 of that gold is the arablast and the steel bolts for it. without my Xbow and ammo my gear costs only 466 gold.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Reas on May 29, 2011, 07:57:49 pm
Im a new player, I only have one char at lvl 16.

I thought I wanted to make an xbow player with an arbalest (since it was the best), and didnt buy anything before I had the gold. FINALLY I can wear it and got steel bolts :)

BUT here comes the same problem as OP, it cant even pay of 2 use it.. AND I only selected this build to help my team (so I could get more money for another char).

This cant be true :( I played so many hours and cant even use my item which I dont even get any kills with cause I get one shotted all the time (And i geuss my repair costs will be REALLY high if i even think about buying an armor!!)

Really need some help ppl :(

And yes, I am a newbie to cPRG as mentioned!
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Diavolo on May 29, 2011, 08:27:00 pm
the trick with money is to keep buying better and better equipment as you level up. That way you can downgrade for cheaper equipment when you are short on cash. One other thing to note is that money will fluctuate a lot. I reccomend always having atleast 3-5k unused to spend on repair costs. Even though you win, some rounds you will be unlucky and get heavy repairs. Arbalest is nearly 1k in repair, so make sure you have the money to use it before you do. Going straight for a super expensive weapon is very stupid. The reason why we have repair costs is to help new and poor players, so they can afford nice gear. And it really is helping a lot. (if some of you remember the time when cRPG was just a few platers in huscarl shields slaughtering tons of peasants) 
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 29, 2011, 08:27:44 pm
Im a new player, I only have one char at lvl 16.

I thought I wanted to make an xbow player with an arbalest (since it was the best), and didnt buy anything before I had the gold. FINALLY I can wear it and got steel bolts :)

BUT here comes the same problem as OP, it cant even pay of 2 use it.. AND I only selected this build to help my team (so I could get more money for another char).

This cant be true :( I played so many hours and cant even use my item which I dont even get any kills with cause I get one shotted all the time (And i geuss my repair costs will be REALLY high if i even think about buying an armor!!)

Really need some help ppl :(

And yes, I am a newbie to cPRG as mentioned!

I don't think you should get "the best" of anything if your intent is to save money for your next generation/character.

The Arb' costs about 18.7K and the Steel bolts about 2.5K so this does leave a little bit of grace for affording armour.

You can go up to a total of 25K worth of gear and still make a nice profit in the long run, assuming that you have a reserve of at least 12K (this specific number may vary from character to character, some people like reserves of at least 50K but I personally have never been that unlucky) as a "grace" for bad streaks. 30K total cost is ok for a sustainable build that is capable of generating a small revenue, though this may not work out so well for you since you wanted to make a nice amount of money for your next character, but I still think it is doable. 35K is as high as I would go for a "normal" character, as it is capable of in the long run breaking even and making an extremely small profit on average once you hit retirement level.

I suggest you buy a nice "tunic" of some sort (I personally would go with the cliche "Studded Leather Coat" for your best bet of protection VS saving money), then leather gloves or chain mittens, then buy an ok helmet and boots, not the greatest, but since you are not a melee character you don't have to worry about people hitting you in the head as much, and a headshot will still blow your brains out regardless of what helmet you can afford to wear so don't go too nuts or worry. As for the crappy boots, you will not get hit in the feet that often either as an infantryman who is not a shielder.  This should leave a reasonable amount of cash to get a crappy 1 hander, so either a hatchet or a hammer if you want to save money, or some low-end sword if you think you can actually defend yourself and want to do more then scare off other peasants.

TL:DR make your total cost 25-28K and you should make money for your next character, try to be closer to the 25K mark for your total gear to make a nice profit.

EDIT: You may hate to hear this, but I am going to say that you only use your arb' if you have a X2 multiplier or higher, and then use a much cheaper crossbow (like a standard) for the X1 multipliers. This would allow you to make a lot more money in the long run for your second character, as if you want to make an appreciable amount you may want to cut corners like this.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: txtsd on May 30, 2011, 04:09:20 am
Even 35k will easily get you a profit, because you can't lose all the time. Wear less armour.

WHAT?
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: DANK on May 30, 2011, 04:55:55 am
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lol I was impressed until I found out you didn't write this... You say don't use the word Rape... I say don't steal other peoples works(writings)....
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: AgentQ on May 30, 2011, 04:56:29 am
My cursor repairs at $990 alone. my cav gear costs 47k. Well, i makes money slowly.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: DANK on May 30, 2011, 05:01:16 am
I wear the same gear continually (unless I go and play in Black Plate for fun which costs more)... I do not make much money, but I don't lose money either. I have been hovering around 20-40k for 2 retirements.  My gear costs 46,874 gold.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: MouthnHoof on May 30, 2011, 09:34:42 am
Dont like the repair costs? use cheaper equipment. Cheaper xbows kill just as well.
Learn2spend
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: dado on May 30, 2011, 09:47:47 am
Im a new player, I only have one char at lvl 16.

I thought I wanted to make an xbow player with an arbalest (since it was the best), and didnt buy anything before I had the gold. FINALLY I can wear it and got steel bolts :)

BUT here comes the same problem as OP, it cant even pay of 2 use it.. AND I only selected this build to help my team (so I could get more money for another char).

This cant be true :( I played so many hours and cant even use my item which I dont even get any kills with cause I get one shotted all the time (And i geuss my repair costs will be REALLY high if i even think about buying an armor!!)

Really need some help ppl :(

And yes, I am a newbie to cPRG as mentioned!
PM me on forum , and ll give u some gold.. :)
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Odion on May 30, 2011, 01:44:25 pm
it also depends on what mode you play, if you have a good team then dtv is a good game mode to make money. you are almost guaranteed the next round you play you will have x2 and not x1.

the next best mode to make money is siege. say i have X5 and im attacking, then im in a win win situation. if we win the round i get to keep my x5, if we loose then at least i got to enjoy the full 5mins of exp from it.

battle is not good if there is less than 15-20 players. when was the last time you saw a battle timer reach 0:00? resulting in not getting the max money from you x bouns and resulting in more repairs due to rounds ending quicker.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: mandible/splinteryourjaw on May 30, 2011, 02:23:22 pm
PM me on forum , and ll give u some gold.. :)

+1 ... an example of how the awesomebar should be used!!! 
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Kafein on May 30, 2011, 03:07:59 pm
And it really is helping a lot. (if some of you remember the time when cRPG was just a few platers in huscarl shields slaughtering tons of peasants)


No one remember this because it never was like that.

Just my two cents.


Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Tjerner on May 30, 2011, 03:23:52 pm
I don't mind repair cost, in fact i like it, i love the fact that i, as a rookie, can compete on even therms :)

But when that is said, it would be nice if they streamlined the system abit, to make it less random, so it would be easier to plan your gear.

I would recommend a system that repaired your items every time you had a tick of xp/gold, that would allso make cost of each game mode the same :)

Somthing like this: You earn 50g(-45 upkeep cost) total 5g

And then if u ran out off money all your items would start to become more and more broken until they where useless.

It should be based on the total price for your gear.
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Reas on May 30, 2011, 05:27:49 pm
I don't think you should get "the best" of anything if your intent is to save money for your next generation/character.

The Arb' costs about 18.7K and the Steel bolts about 2.5K so this does leave a little bit of grace for affording armour.

You can go up to a total of 25K worth of gear and still make a nice profit in the long run, assuming that you have a reserve of at least 12K (this specific number may vary from character to character, some people like reserves of at least 50K but I personally have never been that unlucky) as a "grace" for bad streaks. 30K total cost is ok for a sustainable build that is capable of generating a small revenue, though this may not work out so well for you since you wanted to make a nice amount of money for your next character, but I still think it is doable. 35K is as high as I would go for a "normal" character, as it is capable of in the long run breaking even and making an extremely small profit on average once you hit retirement level.

I suggest you buy a nice "tunic" of some sort (I personally would go with the cliche "Studded Leather Coat" for your best bet of protection VS saving money), then leather gloves or chain mittens, then buy an ok helmet and boots, not the greatest, but since you are not a melee character you don't have to worry about people hitting you in the head as much, and a headshot will still blow your brains out regardless of what helmet you can afford to wear so don't go too nuts or worry. As for the crappy boots, you will not get hit in the feet that often either as an infantryman who is not a shielder.  This should leave a reasonable amount of cash to get a crappy 1 hander, so either a hatchet or a hammer if you want to save money, or some low-end sword if you think you can actually defend yourself and want to do more then scare off other peasants.

TL:DR make your total cost 25-28K and you should make money for your next character, try to be closer to the 25K mark for your total gear to make a nice profit.

EDIT: You may hate to hear this, but I am going to say that you only use your arb' if you have a X2 multiplier or higher, and then use a much cheaper crossbow (like a standard) for the X1 multipliers. This would allow you to make a lot more money in the long run for your second character, as if you want to make an appreciable amount you may want to cut corners like this.

Thanks man, this is such a great help!! I will get some lower tier gear and switch when my team is on a streak :)
Title: Re: repair cost rape
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 30, 2011, 07:05:54 pm
Thanks man, this is such a great help!! I will get some lower tier gear and switch when my team is on a streak :)

Happy to be of service.  :)

I wear the same gear continually (unless I go and play in Black Plate for fun which costs more)... I do not make much money, but I don't lose money either. I have been hovering around 20-40k for 2 retirements.  My gear costs 46,874 gold.

Is that counting heirlooms which raise the cost but not the upkeep? How much is it using normal prices?