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Title: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 18, 2016, 02:54:22 am: After hours of licking my wounds, resting on a donut in my computer chair to ease my bruised and stretched anus, and carefully applying bacteen to my dick-torn lips, I may have come up with a solution to the problem of last minute ninja rostering. By ninja rostering I mean secretly signing up 30 people at 8:01 for a battle that is happening at 8:02, so that someone who thought you were bringing no players to a pointless battle will only show up with a handful of players and you will shit on them with your hordes of nerds. Obviously this probably won't get introduced even if it is a good idea because m o d is dead.... but there is a shot.

There's a few simple changes in my plan to give people a chance to fight ninja rostering autists.

1. Implement a limit on how many players (maybe 10?) can be signed up and accepted in the last X minutes (5, 10, 15--however many is agreed on as reasonable) before the battle starts. This first rule stops 30 people from secretly signing up in the last few minutes before a battle.

2. Allow anyone who signs up in the first 23 hours and 45 minutes (or whatever is decided) before the battle to be allowed to be taken off and put on the roster freely, even in the restricted 5-15 minute period before the battle starts. That is to say that so long as people applied before the restricted period they can still be put on in the restricted period. The restricted period doesn't apply to them. This way if you need to do a lot of roster changes in the last few minutes because people didn't show up to roll call, you can take on or put off as many people as you want with no limit so long as they applied in the 23 hours and 45 minutes before the battle.

3. Make the number of mercenaries that have applied to either team public information. You don't have to say who they are or anything about them, just list it as a number. Put it on the c-rpg.net page for battles where people apply and check briefings. Just put it somewhere next to the faction/troop list/battle leader. This way people can see if a ton of people have applied to a battle in the first 23 hours and 45 minutes and just aren't being accepted because the battle leader is a cheeky cunt. This will allow a faction to know that the other team are being cheeky bastards.

If you implement all three of these simple changes, people who are ninja rostered against will at least have 5-15 minutes to prepare a roster for themselves if they only had 1 or 2 people signed up, they will be able to see if the enemy team secretly is signing up a bunch of god damn people to be huge nerds, and everyone will still be able to conduct roll calls before battles. The only drawbacks are that people will have to sign up in the first 23 hours and 45 minutes (or however many minutes) before a battle, and honestly that is not an unreasonable expectation to have. Like you have 23 fucking hours to apply. Get your shit together.

Tell me what you think.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Renay on February 18, 2016, 03:05:21 am: If people get fucked because they didnt sign enough players, it's their fault....
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Froi on February 18, 2016, 03:07:30 am: Quote from: Renay on February 18, 2016, 03:05:21 am
If people get fucked because they didnt sign enough players, it's their fault....
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 18, 2016, 03:12:35 am: I just think one of the shittier elements of this game is that if you're not an autist with Mountain Dew for blood and Doritos for bones then you can get fucked over and have your experience ruined at any time. It is no fun having to sign up 20 people just in case for battles that are like versus a 100 man peasant army. Nobody gets fun out of that. Not the person having to get people to sign up, not the people coming to a battle to fight maybe 2 peasants that show up. It's arbitrary and shitty and boring and awful for everyone involved.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Froi on February 18, 2016, 05:54:27 am: Why not stop complaining, and play!
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: MURDERTRON on February 18, 2016, 08:01:34 am: AI bots pls.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Rando on February 18, 2016, 08:04:39 am: Quote from: Renay on February 18, 2016, 03:05:21 am
If people get fucked because they didnt sign enough players, it's their fault....

Quote from: Froi on February 18, 2016, 05:54:27 am
Why not stop complaining, and play!

Classic meme - reply to a well-thought out thread with a shit eating comment that took 2 seconds to type after likely not even reading the original post.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GandalfJr on February 18, 2016, 09:39:39 am: Just seems like you're a little mad you lost a army to ninja rostering, it may be looked down upon, but fair game in strat. Just take every battle as if they do have a roster and no problems.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Knute on February 18, 2016, 12:03:05 pm: Quote from: MURDERTRON on February 18, 2016, 08:01:34 am
AI bots pls.

I always thought that would be a perfect solution for Strategus. Maybe four options to choose from before a battle:

1. Have a roster with all other players like normal.
2. Command all the troops yourself like in Warband singleplayer, with x number of troops assigned to 3 or more classes that use certain types of gear before the battle.
3. Maybe a hybrid of options 1 and 2, like in the Napoleonic Wars mod commander battles where you have players on each side commanding small groups of bots.

4. If you don't show up for your battle at 4am and don't hire any mercs... then whoever is attacking you faces an AI bot army like in Warband singleplayer.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Bryggan on February 18, 2016, 06:03:14 pm: Ninja rostering was pretty much standard last strat on any attack on a small army or village, so it rarely worked. It is annoying when you have to keep showing up for tiny little battles just because there is a 10% chance the enemy might show up. But we all know there will be no mechanics changed on this game.

When I was fighting the Wardens we just made a gentleman's agreement to no ninja rostering as well as no raiding. But this only works if you are gentleman.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Renay on February 18, 2016, 06:10:42 pm: Quote from: Bryggan on February 18, 2016, 06:03:14 pm
But this only works if you are gentleman.

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 18, 2016, 07:07:32 pm: I mean obviously this is all moot because m o d is dead but I thought it was a neat thing to talk about.

Cunts.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Oreo on February 18, 2016, 08:18:06 pm: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: BaleOhay on February 21, 2016, 05:29:23 am: ninja roster is fine and a fun mechanic.. If you are not willing to put in the time for small fights, then perhaps do not attack. Or attack with a smaller number of troops to mitigate the risk. It is one of the more interesting strat mechanics. It is not abuse in any way to wait to the last minute to hire people.

It is fun watching 5 knights get spanked by 50 peasants.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Gmnotutoo on February 21, 2016, 06:49:26 am: Quote from: BaleOhay on February 21, 2016, 05:29:23 am
ninja roster is fine and a fun mechanic.. If you are not willing to put in the time for small fights, then perhaps do not attack. Or attack with a smaller number of troops to mitigate the risk. It is one of the more interesting strat mechanics. It is not abuse in any way to wait to the last minute to hire people.

It is fun watching 5 knights get spanked by 50 peasants.

^ This. Epic peasant uprisings are always fun to be apart of.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on February 21, 2016, 07:13:33 am: It sucks the first time, but in my reckoning this is now a non-issue.

The shit only works once against anyone moderately dedicated and skilled. Didn't have a problem doing it against FCC/maybe some others a time or two.

But I'm sure everyone saw just how many people we've gotten online for the shit-peasant cleaning battles now. A lot of folks, at least enough to win each fight easily. Of course we won't let that shit happen to us again, and I imagine that other groups have also learned this lesson vicariously. I would be very surprised if a ninja-roster worked against anyone but fools within the next few months. It might work if some people forget about it. Of course, if it is a really shitty time-slot, ninja rostering is more likely to work. ...Unconventional (or as others would call, scummy) tactics are enhanced by shitty battle times, unfortunately.

I'm not saying that it is a GOOD thing that this is possible at all; but I'm not saying that it is intensely terrible, either. It is simply insignificant.

I'd be upset if a large faction did it to a smaller faction unprovoked; but I cannot really be upset if a small, resource-poor, or otherwise disadvantaged group does it to another. Conspiracy or not, the AoW fellas certainly didn't have the resources to hurt us with conventional means. Furthermore, we gave them the opportunity to slip us the dick in an admittedly unsavory way.

However, Daruvian, Havelle, others ARE absolutely right on at least one thing. Anyone that hasn't had a leading role in a strat faction doesn't know shit, but constantly being under the threat of ninja-rosters (which truthfully is 100 percent of the time barring complete trust in an agreement or something) and holding the responsibility and role of getting nerds into the server for that SUCKS. IT SUCKS DICK. IT SUCKS SO MUCH DICK.

Yes, I do intimately understand that it is fucking nice when your faction kicks the crap out of another with a huge gear disparity, no matter how you do it. I comprehend how effective this can be, and how FUN it truthfully is for the group doing that. I do get it, and I ain't saying "wow you fucking trash players fight this large faction on completely equal footing pussy".

But anyone saying "wow it isn't hard to just fill your roster LOL" or "just dont attack if you're scared of this LMAO" are fucking cunts. I guess they're a bit less of cunts if they say these things after being in charge of nerd-herding in strat. But the folks that have been rank-n-file roster fillers (even if extraordinarily well-performing) and basically throw out the QQ haven't got a lick of sense about the whole thing.

Of course I can't say it like this and expect success, but this is what I'm essentially saying to anyone I'm trying to coax into a ninja-roster prevention fight. "Hey, the chances that we will have anyone to fight are extremely slim, they will only sign up a sizable force if they feel we are unaware. In the event that we do have anyone to fight, they will likely have horrid gear yielding almost no XP. Please discontinue whatever activity you are partaking in to create a presence in this shitfest. Especially if you're having fun."

Feel free to shitpost on this, I'm a fucking jackass for typing all this tripe out.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Gandalf77 on February 21, 2016, 01:51:35 pm: lol why you cry about that ? just accept your man and be prepared to fight.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Keshian on February 21, 2016, 04:51:04 pm: As someone who has had to do a lot of recruiting for small battles this really is nowhere near the big deal (Drama!! - gay accent) it is being made out to be. You just make sure majority of your attacks are initiated in that roughly 8 hours of primetime between east and west coast, don't initiate fights with massive armies against tiny peasant ones (those are always the biggest targets for ninja rosters -and actually have an impact if ninja rostered), ask people in your clans to sign up just in case telling them odds are they wont have to leave na1 or another game. If people show up just hop in ts or steam people to actually show up - about 6 minutes spawn prep time in start of battle is usually plenty , if not (majority of the time) don't bother reminding people.

Far, far more of a bitch is filling a 50 man roster when most of na allies together (similar to previous iterations of Gobblins where 70-80% of the map allies together against whatever few people don't join their gay plate armored (thanks to abuse of money glitch) alliance. Thats like pulling teeth and still only getting 30 v 50 every fight because guys just want to feel how dominate they are in a big alliance instead of actually wanting real fights. So basically when all the biggest factions ally with the most gold, number of mercs, troops, etc. etc - thats where the bitch comes in making strategus just a boring, non-challenging game for one side and a tedious nonstop recruiting focus for the other side.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 21, 2016, 05:28:44 pm: days since kesh last randomly megaposted about me/GOBBLINS while claiming were obsessed with him:
0

rofl kesh skimmed your post cause I knew it would be bullshit, but when you crunch the numbers we are way, way, way outnumbered on the map, especially when you consider how many of the members are people I barely convinced to come back and AFK in this bad game lol. oh and most of our battles in STRAT 4 with plate were legitimately financed rofl, largely by malgalad hahahah

plus we are consistently having the most people sign up against us in AI defenses lol. but clearly that means we are the care ears when we're 45v30 in our sieges and the four next most important factions get 10 people to sign up against them lol

plus if u use the chart archive we cause the most battles of any faction in STRAT lol u moron, and always have at least 1 war target, but again we r just the carebear yep.

I think it's really cute u think of me every single day ;)
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 21, 2016, 05:35:39 pm: additionally lol we even turned groups of people down from joining GOBBLINS because we thought it would mean compromising our style. or we would be bigger than what we r now. u can ask the very people in this thread. what kind of carebear would do that?

edit: hey kesh I see through ur act bb girl being all tsundere, thinking about me every day, talking bout me everyday... y don't u just ask me to join u and ur lady in bed already, cuck?
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Keshian on February 21, 2016, 07:19:23 pm: Quote from: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 21, 2016, 05:35:39 pm
additionally lol we even turned groups of people down from joining GOBBLINS because we thought it would mean compromising our style. or we would be bigger than what we r now. u can ask the very people in this thread. what kind of carebear would do that?

edit: hey kesh I see through ur act bb girl being all tsundere, thinking about me every day, talking bout me everyday... y don't u just ask me to join u and ur lady in bed already, cuck?

lol, u mad bro. 1 post generally talking about gobblins in a previous strat to explain rostering and you think its about you. You talk about me specifically every other post. Your obsession is frightening and no, I'm sorry, no matter how much you talk about me I wont go gay for you in bed (I caught your not so subtle hint that you are sexually obsessed with me at this point).

So the answer is NO, Never, not in a million years. Go keep circle-jerking by yourself and leave me out of those weird deranged fantasies of yours.

P.S. I don't know if you realize but you have really lost your edge in forum-posting, lately you have just been coming across as autistic ragelord (maybe it is intentional, I don't know), but try and use wordplay and sarcasm or something funny/trolly next time or you will just keep getting dominated in the battle of wits.
(though I expect next post will just be something like "Kesh, you are such an autist nerd for playing this game I totally don't take seriously enough to post about or lead a huge faction in and if we do bad its just because you guys are all just tryhards and if we do well it because you guys all suck at this game.")
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 21, 2016, 07:31:01 pm: Hours since kesh last posted about us: 0

lol literally 8/10 of ur last posts are about me hahaha. fucking obsessed bro. literally like a post a day hahaha every day. clockwork.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 21, 2016, 07:42:11 pm: and as far as u saying I've lost my touch well there's an old little snippet of wisdom about that from my personal hero the joker who is SO COOL

"If you're good at shitposting, don't do it for free."

u see u don't deserve effort full entertaining shitposting. so i don't invest that effort for you.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: xxkaliboyx on February 21, 2016, 10:48:27 pm: Quote from: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 21, 2016, 05:35:39 pm
additionally lol we even turned groups of people down from joining GOBBLINS

I just looked over and saw this. This hurts man. Fuck you
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Totally Not McDeath on February 21, 2016, 11:24:30 pm: Man though, for someone who claims they have no horse in the race anymore (kesh/FCC) you seem to care so much about crpg and strat
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Gmnotutoo on February 22, 2016, 06:03:35 am: Quote from: Totally Not McDeath on February 21, 2016, 11:24:30 pm
Man though, for someone who claims they have no horse in the race anymore (kesh/FCC) you seem to care so much about crpg and strat

You claim to not be McDeath but I get the feeling your hiding something. If we're accepting each other at face value by our words then you should honor Kesh stating his lack of care so we can continue seeing you as a newbie peasant.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: Schoi on February 22, 2016, 06:28:19 am: Quote from: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 18, 2016, 02:54:22 am
Tell me what you think.

I think you're a my old friend
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: njames89 on February 22, 2016, 02:15:13 pm: Quote from: Schoi on February 22, 2016, 06:28:19 am
I think you're a my old friend

That's high praise coming from schoi.
Title: Re: Solution to Ninja Rostering
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on February 22, 2016, 04:16:51 pm: this thread and everyone in it are trash fuck you all trash queens