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Title: Star Wars Help
Post by: BlackxBird on December 27, 2015, 05:44:14 am
I've never seen any star wars movies and now due to all those people going full crazy cuz of that new star wars movie I think I gotta finally watch them! The thing is just, how do I start? Before watching movies Im allways checking out in what order I should watch them (Hell I didn't even know there is Episode I n'stuff, I would have imo started if I knew that from the beginning :O ). So I asked google and some websites recommended starting with the 4th movie and then watch till the end and then continue from I - III. The other said some weirdass bs I can't remember now, but I think they said I should skip some movies... The other told me to go for the normal order, like I - VI. Errrrrrrm, wut? I've really absolutely no idea what's going on there, but that there are different orders to watch it is REALLY suprising :O I mean like is it like in Hangover I-III that u see the same retards doing the same things at different locations?

I really need help here!! Oh and I know the excitement about that new movie is big, but are they really that good? That weirdass space pew pew shit is actually not really my branch, but I guess I gotta do it :D
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Jona on December 27, 2015, 06:22:23 am
I've never seen any star wars movies and now due to all those people going full crazy cuz of that new star wars movie I think I gotta finally watch them! The thing is just, how do I start? Before watching movies Im allways checking out in what order I should watch them (Hell I didn't even know there is Episode I n'stuff, I would have imo started if I knew that from the beginning :O ). So I asked google and some websites recommended starting with the 4th movie and then watch till the end and then continue from I - III. The other said some weirdass bs I can't remember now, but I think they said I should skip some movies... The other told me to go for the normal order, like I - VI. Errrrrrrm, wut? I've really absolutely no idea what's going on there, but that there are different orders to watch it is REALLY suprising :O I mean like is it like in Hangover I-III that u see the same retards doing the same things at different locations?

I really need help here!! Oh and I know the excitement about that new movie is big, but are they really that good? That weirdass space pew pew shit is actually not really my branch, but I guess I gotta do it :D

I actually know a few people in the same boat as you. One person watched starting at episode 1 (which many people can agree isn't all that great) and they kinda stopped watching halfway through the 2nd since it isn't much better. In order to watch 6 movies of a series you really need to start off strong otherwise you definitely run the risk of thinking "is the payoff really worth sitting through 3 2.5hr movies?" Another couple people started at episode 4 and continued on to watch 5 (4+5 are often regarded as the best two) and are stoked to keep going even knowing that 6 isn't as good as the first two (but still pretty great). Those two aren't sure if they want to even bother watching 1-3 since it might "ruin" the experience for them, but I'd strongly recommend starting at 4 and watching up through 6 and then making that decision for yourself. More likely than not you will end up with a mindset similar to plenty of other people where they accept them as the cannon story for what happens prior to episodes 4-6, and yet have no desire to really ever watch them again since they don't hold too well on their own (despite being really flashy with cool cgi scenes and stuff).

Tl;dr: Watch episodes 4-6. If you really like them, then go back to 1-3 knowing that they probably can't recapture the magic of the originals, but will still offer their own additions of a few decent characters, cool effects and newer spaceship/weapon/technology designs and such (since honestly half the reason to watch star wars is just to be immersed in that cool universe with technology both far superior and inferior to our own... I mean they've got hyper-lightspeed travel and yet can't transfer any sort of wireless data and they only have shitty low-res crt tvs).
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Xant on December 27, 2015, 07:56:32 am
Watch from episode 1 to episode 6. That way the timeline makes sense. Easy. People say 1-3 suck but here's some new news: 4-6 aren't that good anymore either in the year of our lord 2015, they're really showing their age.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: BlackxBird on December 27, 2015, 08:17:59 am
So... Are they actually worth being watched? Doesnt really sound like tbh
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Post by: Jona on December 27, 2015, 08:43:21 am
So... Are they actually worth being watched? Doesnt really sound like tbh

Say what you will about each individual movie in comparison with the rest, but they are all enjoyable movies on their own and are well worth watching at least once. Fans will often say that "episodes 1-3 suck" but really that is merely in comparison with the originals, and episodes 1-3 are pretty good movies on their own. Not necessarily worth watching again and again, but I'd still recommend seeing them at least once. Episodes 4-6 tell more of a fun sci-fantasy (not necessarily sci-fi) tale of adventure while episodes 1-3 tell a bit of a slower paced tale of the politics/diplomacy of a galaxy in a massive civil war with clips of epic battles thrown in here and there to spicen things up a bit. Pick whichever seems more intriguing to you and start with that trilogy in my opinion. What Havelle recommended sounds pretty interesting, but I'm not necessarily sure I'd want to watch these movies in that order on my very first viewing. It would be an interesting experience if I could somehow erase my previous star wars memories before trying it in that order to have a more educated opinion on it, but obviously that isn't exactly feasible.

Just do yourself a favor and watch episode 4, it's not even a long movie and it'll be over before you make up your mind with all this unnecessary debating going on. If you enjoyed it, keep going. If not, stop before you invest too much of your time. Plenty of people say that episode 5 is better, but if you really didn't care for episode 4 at all then it probably won't suddenly make you a huge fanboy.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Teeth on December 27, 2015, 09:39:20 am
As someone who magically avoided watching Star Wars for years too, I watched them 4 to 6 and then 1 to 3. That is how they were released and written, so that is how most people watched them, so it can't be a terrible way to experience Star Wars. Still, watching the other way around gives you a much neater story arc and prevents you having to shuffle it all around in your head, so I would personally recommend that. One thing to keep in mind though is that the special effects and action scenes in general of the old trilogy do not hold up at all. So going from the neat action of the third movie straight into the bumbling awkwardness of the first can be a pretty deflating experience.

So... Are they actually worth being watched? Doesnt really sound like tbh
I personally thought the movies ranged from a little good to mostly bad, with the third episode being my high point, but they are worth watching for their enormous cultural relevance. As Jona said, if you are unsure whether you are going to watch them all, watch 4. It does a much better job at introducing the universe and telling a story than 1.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: WarLord on December 27, 2015, 10:27:43 am
I actually know a few people in the same boat as you. One person watched starting at episode 1 (which many people can agree isn't all that great) and they kinda stopped watching halfway through the 2nd since it isn't much better. In order to watch 6 movies of a series you really need to start off strong otherwise you definitely run the risk of thinking "is the payoff really worth sitting through 3 2.5hr movies?" Another couple people started at episode 4 and continued on to watch 5 (4+5 are often regarded as the best two) and are stoked to keep going even knowing that 6 isn't as good as the first two (but still pretty great). Those two aren't sure if they want to even bother watching 1-3 since it might "ruin" the experience for them, but I'd strongly recommend starting at 4 and watching up through 6 and then making that decision for yourself. More likely than not you will end up with a mindset similar to plenty of other people where they accept them as the cannon story for what happens prior to episodes 4-6, and yet have no desire to really ever watch them again since they don't hold too well on their own (despite being really flashy with cool cgi scenes and stuff).

Tl;dr: Watch episodes 4-6. If you really like them, then go back to 1-3 knowing that they probably can't recapture the magic of the originals, but will still offer their own additions of a few decent characters, cool effects and newer spaceship/weapon/technology designs and such (since honestly half the reason to watch star wars is just to be immersed in that cool universe with technology both far superior and inferior to our own... I mean they've got hyper-lightspeed travel and yet can't transfer any sort of wireless data and they only have shitty low-res crt tvs).

Wait, what? Either my english has become so bad I misunderstand this or you confused something ... of course they can transfer wirelesss data  :D
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Admerius on December 27, 2015, 12:23:50 pm
Just watch them already!

Just keep this in mind:
They have aged,
Their target audience(imo) is the mental age of 8-14.

Just keep these things in mind:
It is an Epic Space Opera, it isn't star trek light or some techno-babble philosophic bs.
It is more like a folk-tale(maybe even greek epic) set in a sci-fi setting.
These, the core things, actually never age imo.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Leshma on December 27, 2015, 04:20:24 pm
They say new movie is a lot like first Star Wars (A New Hope). That movie was released in 1977, some twenty years before you were born. Star Wars was the shit back then, now is a bit dated. So if you want to feel a bit of what people felt almost 40 years ago, then just watch newest movie. It's probably not that groundbreaking but if it mimics original a little little bit, it should be more than fine consider that most modern movies that come out of Hollywood are utter crap.

As for prequels, they weren't that bad. Especially third (Revenge of the Sith). My main issue with prequels, apart from bland and badly executed story is character cast. Anakins role was given to some schmuck no one remembers today. Some scenes in those movies are very boring to watch, for me scene when they go to investigate clones takes the cake (think it was Attack of the Clones).

After all these years, standout thing about Star Wars for me is performance of Alec Guinness (Obi-Wan Kenobi). Apart from that, Star Wars movies are meant for children but those specific parts still hold some value for me personally.

At some point George Lucas figured out that franchise merchandise sell better than movie tickets, so he added certain toy like characters to series. Like Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Xant on December 27, 2015, 05:24:27 pm
The new movie is the first three movies condensed into one, with all the same plot elements. And feminized, with the super-awesome-unexplainably-epic-princess-warrior.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on December 27, 2015, 06:29:18 pm
After all these years, standout thing about Star Wars for me is performance of Alec Guinness (Obi-Wan Kenobi). Apart from that, Star Wars movies are meant for children but those specific parts still hold some value for me personally.

To be fair I think Obi-Wan Kenobi in general is the best part of the films. Ewan McGregor did about as well as any actor could hope to do amidst such awful cohorts. I think he did a good job. So give some credit to him too.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Jona on December 27, 2015, 08:18:09 pm
Wait, what? Either my english has become so bad I misunderstand this or you confused something ... of course they can transfer wirelesss data  :D

No, your English seems spot on. When do they wirelessly transfer data in the movies? Other than being able to communicate across the stars via hologram and use headsets to communicate to nearby spaceships, they never seem to be able to send any sort of emails or texts or anything.

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Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: WarLord on December 27, 2015, 08:20:19 pm
No, your English seems spot on. When do they wirelessly transfer data in the movies? Other than being able to communicate across the stars via hologram and use headsets to communicate to nearby spaceships, they never seem to be able to send any sort of emails or texts or anything.

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Ah, now I get it. Yeah, they only can send holographic messages, but no "data" in sense of big "files". Thats true then :)
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on December 27, 2015, 08:42:39 pm
Watch them 4-6 1-3 7

Cos that's the right way to do it. I mean hell if you can get an OG copy without the stupid addons that Lucas made over the past 30 years watch them first.

My order of quality - 5, 6, 4, 7, 3, 1, 2.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Admerius on December 27, 2015, 11:45:22 pm
No, your English seems spot on. When do they wirelessly transfer data in the movies? Other than being able to communicate across the stars via hologram and use headsets to communicate to nearby spaceships, they never seem to be able to send any sort of emails or texts or anything.

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Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Leshma on December 28, 2015, 12:04:36 am
To be fair I think Obi-Wan Kenobi in general is the best part of the films. Ewan McGregor did about as well as any actor could hope to do amidst such awful cohorts. I think he did a good job. So give some credit to him too.

Ewan is one of my favorite actors but don't think he did particularly good job depicting Obi-Wan. Fight between him and Anakin at the end of RotS is cringe inducing (also awful CGI). That was probably the most important scene in prequel trilogy and they blew it.

Actor who was decent in prequels is Liam Neeson. His performance is silver lining of otherwise awful The Phantom Menace. Samuel L. Jackson looked so out of place and did terrible job imho.

Another actor that did excellent job is of course voice of Darth Vader, James Earl Jones. While it is considered iconic performance, it still can't hold a candle to his role of Thulsa Doom in Conan the Barbarian. That is one badass movie that has aged very well imho. There are other movies from late 70s and early 80s that aged very well, don't consider Star Wars: A New Hope among them.

Edit: Damn, I forgot about late Christopher Lee. He was perfect in everything he did, same goes for goofy character of Count Dooku.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: BlackxBird on December 28, 2015, 12:24:04 am
So I think I'll just watch the IV and then I'll see if I like it or not :)
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Post by: Angantyr on December 28, 2015, 12:36:36 am
When you watch the original trilogy don't watch Lucas' crappy re-releases, they look horrible and even change certain characters for the worse (Han Solo shot first).
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Admerius on December 28, 2015, 05:20:35 pm
The way I watched them was episode 5,6,4,1,2,3

Imo episode 5 is the most mature of the star wars movies.

If you watch ep.4 then you MUST watch ep.5, the difference in quality of the storytelling is like the difference between "Conan the barbarian" and "Gladiator".

Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: LordBerenger on December 28, 2015, 07:44:42 pm

Episode 1 the best
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on December 30, 2015, 12:34:45 am
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Episode 1 the best

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Post by: Gravoth_iii on December 30, 2015, 12:47:04 am
Watch them 4-5-6-7.

Instead of watching the prequels, i would reccommend watching RedLetterMedia's Plinkett review of the 3 prequel movies, they are about movie lengt per review per movie, they are funnier, and more informative.


Its pretty damn good. I think ive seen through all the reviews like 4 times, thats more than ive seen through all the movies. The review has more rewatchability than the actual movies.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: Angantyr on December 30, 2015, 02:31:25 am
Yes, I would give the same advice.

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on December 30, 2015, 06:33:25 pm
I think most Asians do the "R" thing, but are the Japanese known for aggressive boycotting?

Yeah dude they were notoriously exclusionist and didn't want any filthy foreigners (European or Chinese or anything else, didn't matter who) in their islands. No traders allowed. They did such a good job of locking themselves away from the outside world that they were still living it up like it was 969 AD with fuedal lords and samurai vassals paid in pounds of rice DURING THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR WHEN WE INVENTED METAL-CLAD GUNSHIPS AND GATLING GUNS HOLY SHIT GET OVER YOURSELF JAPAN, WE HAVE ELECTRICITY AND INDOOR PLUMBING IT'S THE FUTURE OVER HERE

Kind of a derail for a Star Wars thread but Japan's history is pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Star Wars Help
Post by: WarLord on January 09, 2016, 05:54:55 pm
One thing I like about the Star Wars films is that you can watch them multiple times and still pick up on new things, new theories every time you see them. I like watching them with my bro and sister cos we all grew up with ze Star Wars and although i'm the biggest Star Wars nerd out of them, we're all into it.

Latest viewing over Christmas (before seeing episode 7) I started to see Leia in a different light and it changed the way i then watched episode 7. Spoilering this essay due to size but also cos i talk a bit about episode 7:

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Nice read, indeed something I never really thought of until now.
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Post by: Kafein on January 09, 2016, 06:34:28 pm
Watch the new one first. I strongly believe you'll get a better experience that way.

For me, I feel that having seen all the others just generally spoiled the movie. Let's just say it has too many of the tropes of the old trilogy.
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 09, 2016, 10:04:22 pm
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 14, 2016, 12:56:59 am

Nice little minute-long edit (i was expecting there to be a gag, there isnt).

Damn Alec Guinness was an awesome actor. Even before they properly planned/fleshed-out the Anakin/Obi Wan backstory, the *looks* he gives during this scene speak 1000 words. Especially his face at the end

My favourite comment: 'my parents didn't sign my permission slip to go on this feels trip'

I haven't watched the original trilogy in many years, since before I saw the 3 more recent movies.

Holy shit, you're right. The thousand yard stares Obi Wan makes. I never realized how much of an "I've seen some shit" thing that scene was until just now.
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Post by: Angantyr on January 14, 2016, 02:29:43 am
That always was my favourite SW scene, nothing excited me more about SW than the mysterious clone wars when I was a kid, before the expanded universe books. Such a shame Lucas made it all seem so ridiculous when these scenes were realized in the prequels. The epic of Anakin Skywalker the best starfighter in the galaxy became little Annie at 8 years old with a child starfighter helmet, 'pod-racing' in a giant space battle by 'accident' blowing up the enemy control ship while delivering the most annoying punchlines and childish noises. And Darth Vader killing Anakin became the over-the-top CGI jedi duel, force jumping on moving platforms in a lava stream. The best part of the prequels is when they are back on dry land and Anakin burns and curses Obi-Wan and when he awakens in his sith armor suit and finds out he killed Padme.


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Post by: Kafein on January 14, 2016, 09:52:54 am
Amazing that Alec Guiness was the guest star of the movie when Episode 4 came out. How times change. And apparently he wasn't too interested in the movie, did it for the paycheck.
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Post by: Leshma on January 14, 2016, 04:02:37 pm
But still, even phoning it in for the paycheck he's that good of an actor to carry some major gravitas. They did have Peter Cushing as Grand Moff Tarkin too so Alec Guinness wasn't the only well known actor in it.

Exactly, those two great actors were the only famous and recognized talents in the whole movie. Rest were "kids", mostly unknown actors. Harrison Ford was carpenter and background actor prior to Star Wars...
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Post by: Angantyr on January 23, 2016, 07:15:52 pm
Speaking of that scene;

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Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on January 23, 2016, 07:32:57 pm
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 27, 2016, 02:16:31 am