Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Bjord on November 05, 2015, 05:52:49 pm
Title: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Bjord on November 05, 2015, 05:52:49 pm
http://spritzinc.com/
Ever heard of it?
You can allegedly learn and get used to 1000 wpm, like fucking Neo, and of course retain all the information.
Try it, it's quite fun. I could do 500 wpm right off the bat without any issues, 600 wpm is where I started having troubles.
If you have any study material in .pdf form you can even use Spritz reading with an App called RushReader, costs like $1 on AppStore/Google Play.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Golem on November 05, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
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Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Teeth on November 05, 2015, 07:38:40 pm
I worked with some speed reading training software for a few weeks, but I was kind of disappointed. Ultimately I felt that reading more quickly would not benefit either of the two main types of reading I do. I read a lot for the purpose of entertainment and for learning. Reading at fast wpm's reduces my enjoyment of a story and the degree of imagination I activate while reading. Reading when learning is usually limited by my cognitive speed and not my word recognition speed. I am a very fast reader, and with difficult texts I usually have to slow down anyway to allow my brain to do something with the text input. Aside from that I also noticed little improvement to my casual reading speed. Only when I really tried to peak I noticed that I had gotten somewhat faster.
Curious that this Spritz thing only uses one word at a time. The software I used focused on training several things and was designed to make you learn to read normal printed material faster. Things like suppressing tendencies to vocalize what you read, training your eye tracking speed and accuracy, enlarging the chucks you read before your eyes "saccade".
Also, why are you making threads like these in General Discussion?
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Bronto on November 05, 2015, 07:42:24 pm
I worked with some speed reading training software for a few weeks, but I was kind of disappointed. Ultimately I felt that reading more quickly would not benefit either of the two main types of reading I do. I read a lot for the purpose of entertainment and for learning. Reading at fast wpm's reduces my enjoyment of a story and the degree of imagination I activate while reading. Reading when learning is usually limited by my cognitive speed and not my word recognition speed. I am a very fast reader, and with difficult texts I usually have to slow down anyway to allow my brain to do something with the text input. Aside from that I also noticed little improvement to my casual reading speed. Only when I really tried to peak I noticed that I had gotten somewhat faster.
Curious that this Spritz thing only uses one word at a time. The software I used focused on training several things and was designed to make you learn to read normal printed material faster. Things like suppressing tendencies to vocalize what you read, training your eye tracking speed and accuracy, enlarging the chucks you read before your eyes "saccade".
Also, why are you making threads like these in General Discussion?
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Teeth on November 05, 2015, 07:51:35 pm
I would have been cool if I actually achieved Neo speeds, but now I just wasted a bunch of hours doing retarded exercises for probably nothing. I am pretty skeptical now about the whole "tripling your reading speed", at least for any functional reading outside of speedtests.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Rhekimos on November 05, 2015, 08:17:36 pm
I briefly tried these as well. Interesting in itself, but the normal fixed sight points and reducing sub-vocalizations methods are enough for me.
Here's a free one that lets you use the same technique on any webpage and book you can open in your browser: https://squirt.io/install.html
No logins necessary either.
And here's a bit of a letdown article for anyone wanting to be able to read all of physics in mere hours: http://lifehacker.com/the-truth-about-speed-reading-1542508398
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Latvian on November 05, 2015, 09:15:31 pm
found out i am slightly faster at russian than english, never would have guessed that . :|
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Rebelyell on November 05, 2015, 11:03:32 pm
I would have been cool if I actually achieved Neo speeds, but now I just wasted a bunch of hours doing retarded exercises for probably nothing. I am pretty skeptical now about the whole "tripling your reading speed", at least for any functional reading outside of speedtests.
I went up from 80 words per minute to 400(can't really remember now) when I was like 12 with similar training nowadays I have my startup speed 300 but I am sure that I can go way faster when I get sunk in to a good book, I managed to finish 2 Sormlight books in 2 weeks with all the RL stuffs like job ect.
But I actualy cant read on voice nowdays, It meakes it imposible for me because things that I try to say are like half sentence behind that I read atm. I think that it is similar to stuttering in RL.
edit: actually that web is really difrent to what I was doing, I had to foucus on whole sentences instead of words.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Ikarus on November 05, 2015, 11:06:34 pm
awkward name (Spritzen means "Squirting" in german) but nice idea
still, I prefer to enjoy my books and take my time
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Asheram on November 06, 2015, 12:38:22 am
Also, why are you making threads like these in General Discussion?
I think he is trying to make the moderators work.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: //saxon on November 06, 2015, 12:50:14 am
500 is doable, but then it starts getting a little silly at 600 and especially 700.
700 is ridiculous, when would you need to read that fast. Ordering food at record speed in a restaurant.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Jona on November 06, 2015, 02:08:54 am
I found myself able to comprehend almost all of the text at 600 wpm, missing only a couple words. At 700 wpm I could comprehend what it was saying, but I found I couldn't really restate the sentences word-for-word... I got maybe 60% of it and just filled in the blanks. That said, who the fuck would ever want to read 1 word at a time at these "breakneck" speeds. It's such a strain on the eyes and really removes any and all enjoyment from reading. As Teeth said, if I wanted to read to learn something my brain wouldn't be able to keep up with what my eyes were seeing. If I was reading for fun I really wouldn't be in any sort of rush, it's more of a relaxing thing to do anyways. Overall, a pretty useless program/website unless for some reason you really only ever needed to skim things, which arguably means it might have been nice for getting through the required high school reading from back in the day.
P.S. Get rekt britmy old friends, the flag for the english language is the US flag.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Rando on November 06, 2015, 05:38:36 am
awkward name (Spritzen means "Squirting" in german) but nice idea
still, I prefer to enjoy my books and take my time
Reading at 700 words per minute is probably a pretty good way to make women squirt.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Xant on November 06, 2015, 11:21:59 am
Literally useless. 700 wpm was easy, but what's the point? When reading for entertainment I like to stop and appreciate the clever wordplay or beautiful exposition of something or what have you, and to re-read some things, and to stop and let my my imagination work.
When reading research it's similar, you want to control the speed of your reading and to give yourself time to fully understand what you just read, that's how you remember it in the future. Reading at a normal pace you can stop and think about the implications and different applications, so it both helps with memory and makes you think and understand it better, as opposed to speedreading where the concepts just flash through your mind and you can't stop to think about anything.
And I hate how they're selling it. "Read a 1000 page novel in 10 hours, what could you do with your spare time?!" as if entertainment is some sort of a competition. Hurr durr, what could you do if you fast-forwarded every movie you watched?
I still subvocalize at 700 WPM and I don't see why I'd want to get rid of that, helps make it coherent.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Xant on November 06, 2015, 11:26:07 am
Curious that this Spritz thing only uses one word at a time. The software I used focused on training several things and was designed to make you learn to read normal printed material faster. Things like suppressing tendencies to vocalize what you read, training your eye tracking speed and accuracy, enlarging the chucks you read before your eyes "saccade".
From the FAQ:
Why Spritz is Different There are lots of other reading techniques out there such as skimming (not reading every word), avoiding sub-vocalization (talking to yourself while reading) and enlarging the peripheral span (reading an entire page at a time by mental “snapshot”) that attempt to increase reading speeds. While these methods can be effective, achieving significant improvement requires intensive, continuous training and dedication. By contrast, spritzing can be learned in less than 5 minutes and, if you don’t spritz for a month, no practice is needed to return quickly to your previous speed or skill-level.In addition, none of these methods mentioned above help you unless you’ve got a lot of physical space for your content. From the fonts that we use to the algorithms that process content, Spritz is designed from the ground up to empower effective reading on a small display area. There is a lot more to Spritz than just reading fast!
--
Actually one use I can see for it is in stuff like smart watches, having some information flash by at 700 WPM would be pretty useful. But that is a very niche market, especially since an iPhone serves the same purpose but better and without spritz 99.9% of the time.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Bjord on November 06, 2015, 12:45:13 pm
It's not "literally useless", you're just very cynical and unimaginative.
For sure, I might want to read normally as well but I seriously think this could help you study something.
Let's say you're studying something that you don't care too much about but you want to cram all the terminology, all the lingo and all the other crap into your head you could easily do this Spritz thing for a while in addition to normal reading.
Practiced for 20 minutes and 700wpm is easily achievable unless you are boby da slow brayn.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Xant on November 06, 2015, 01:56:24 pm
700 wpm should be easily achieved instantly, Bjord, you needed to practice? Are you boby da slow brayn, Bjord?
And you're not going to learn "terminology and lingo" at 700 wpm. You need to already recognize the words you read or it will be too fast.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Bjord on November 06, 2015, 02:02:41 pm
700 wpm should be easily achieved instantly, Bjord, you needed to practice? Are you boby da slow brayn, Bjord?
And you're not going to learn "terminology and lingo" at 700 wpm. You need to already recognize the words you read or it will be too fast.
You're cute.
Either you're being difficult on purpose or your imagination is really that bad. If I wanted to learn a set of terms, I would jot them down on a piece of paper and go through each of the meanings, however detailed the description, using Spritzing and then re-cap by paraphrasing.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Rebelyell on November 06, 2015, 02:17:01 pm
700 wpm should be easily achieved instantly, Bjord, you needed to practice? Are you boby da slow brayn, Bjord?
And you're not going to learn "terminology and lingo" at 700 wpm. You need to already recognize the words you read or it will be too fast.
you are actually right, got like 900 after some practice, it is is really different than the other technique that I used to learn but I think they can go well together. minus of that technik is actually decrease in details that I remember from text(it dropped around 17%) but u must be some wonderchild that you got 700 out of the bat.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Bjord on November 06, 2015, 02:20:52 pm
you are actually right, got like 900 after some practice, it is is really different than the other technique that I used to learn but I think they can go well together. minus of that technik is actually decrease in details that I remember from text(it dropped around 17%) but u must be some wonderchild that you got 700 out of the bat.
I seriously doubt you can comprehend English at 900 wpm, even with practice.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Xant on November 06, 2015, 02:27:25 pm
you are actually right, got like 900 after some practice, it is is really different than the other technique that I used to learn but I think they can go well together. minus of that technik is actually decrease in details that I remember from text(it dropped around 17%) but u must be some wonderchild that you got 700 out of the bat.
How did you get 900? The website only goes up to 700.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Rebelyell on November 06, 2015, 02:28:20 pm
I wanted to make comment about reading with understanding etc but I will just leave that thread alone.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Torben on November 06, 2015, 03:09:48 pm
top notch law students i know go through a few thousand pages a day, while dedicated medicine students top at a few hundred max. quite a hint to the kind of info you need to extract from the text being key to your speed.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Xant on November 06, 2015, 03:14:37 pm
Anyone can go through a few thousand pages a day if they just flip the pages.
Those kind of claims fail even the most rudimentary of sanity checks. Grab a book with a lot of pages near you. 500+. Now read six words, flip a page, read six words, flip a page, read six words, flip a page, etc. Still takes a very long time to go through a hundred pages. Now imagine actually reading entire pages, thousands of them, and how long it would really take.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: WarLord on November 06, 2015, 05:00:26 pm
Why the fuck is it named spritzing? Online English dictionary doesn't even list this word, and it surely has a very different meaning in German, lol.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Soulreaver on November 06, 2015, 05:06:06 pm
who the fuck would ever want to read 1 word at a time at these "breakneck" speeds
This. Retarded program.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Leshma on November 07, 2015, 03:11:16 pm
Hate this shit, it's made for fggts like Bjord. Subvocalization is strong in me and while reading words at high wpm I feel like I've set fast forward mode to x8. It just sucks and doubt it has any practical usage. You certainly won't memorize better if you go through words with such tenacity. Maybe if you have eidetic memory, but only few posses that trait.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Falka on November 07, 2015, 03:16:13 pm
Hate this shit, it's made for fggts like Bjord. Subvocalization is strong in me and while reading words at high wpm I feel like I've set fast forward mode to x8. It just sucks and doubt it has any practical usage. You certainly won't memorize better if you go through words with such tenacity. Maybe if you have eidetic memory, but only few posses that trait.
No one has an eidetic memory.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Torben on November 07, 2015, 06:06:41 pm
joe states its jack that anyone can run 100m under 10 seconds, because he himself barely runs them in 15.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Teeth on November 07, 2015, 06:16:52 pm
who's jack?
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Tibe on November 07, 2015, 08:16:18 pm
This is still basically an exercise. Which I assume, is ment to be beneficial to your readingskill in the long run. As in, you shouldnt really use it, to read a book you were trying to finish or homework you were trying to understand. Mybe just put some short story in there and try that. Cause yeah, it kills the enjoyement of reading and I dont know about the rest of you internet geniuses, but in my case if I read some stuff that has a lot of technical info in it, from which I have to start making some logical connection, my eyes and brain have to go back and forth between the lines in the page for me to fully grasp that info and create that connection.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Xant on November 07, 2015, 08:18:04 pm
That's the point, reading one word at a time doesn't make any sense, why would you want to do it? If you don't read aloud, reading multiple words at a time is a natural way to read.
joe states its jack that anyone can run 100m under 10 seconds, because he himself barely runs them in 15.
To read a few thousand pages a day - ofc it's douable. To study a few thousand pages of legal acts and commentaries? Nah.
PS. "ofc it's douable" - though probably not by me. I've read in one day a few quite long books, The Da Vinci Code, last 2 Harry Potter books, among others, but even 2 thousand pages in one day would be out of my reach I guess. But there're faster readers ofc.
Title: Re: Spritzing - Speed reading
Post by: Xant on November 07, 2015, 11:11:07 pm