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Title: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Kasigi_Yabu on September 18, 2015, 09:53:26 pm
I'm looking for a new mouse and keyboard.

For the Mouse I want something that has good ergonomics and good for general use/gaming
So far I've found:
SteelSeries Sensei Raw (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007N6HS3G?keywords=steelseries%20sensei&qid=1442602140&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1)  and
Cooler Master Mizar (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00INT5K8M?keywords=cooler%20master%20mouse&qid=1442602982&ref_=sr_1_4&s=computers&sr=1-4)

Both are around £40. If I could have suggestions for similar mice, preferably cheaper that would be great.

For the keyboard something in a similar price range of £40 or under would be great. Ideally a keyboard that has quiet keys, is good for gaming and has extra keys for use of volume, skip, play ect.
Thanks for any help :)
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Leshma on September 18, 2015, 10:04:47 pm
Ignore ShitSeries. Buy yourself this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-G700s-Rechargeable-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B00CJAF194/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1442606180&sr=8-6&keywords=logitech+g502). There are other great mice from Logitech such as MX Performance, MX Master, Marathon M705, G602. Marathon M705 and MX Performance aren't best suited for gaming, but on G700s, G602 and MX Master you won't notice any lag.

ShitSeries is what Beats used to be for headphones. Brand popular among gamers for no good reason. Premium price but average quality.

But it is best to go to nearby store where you can try them out for size. That is very important.

Edit: As for keyboard, no idea really. I'm using old Logitech split keyboard (for ergonomics). Have trouble using normal keyboard for typing.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Leshma on September 18, 2015, 11:08:19 pm
Corsair Vengeance M65 is also good computer mouse. Forgot to mention it. Razer are also good but seems to be expensive because of brand value. Fact is, their build quality isn't better than Logitech.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on September 18, 2015, 11:50:38 pm
My brother has one of the Logitech 700 series mouse that Leshma linked, I've used it a few times and it is very comfortable and I like it a lot.

The Cooler Master one looks nice from pictures, I didn't know they made mice.

My personal mouse is a Dell OEM office desktop mouse from ~2005 or so, the paint is completely worn off the buttons and the scroll wheel is worn down to smoothness as well. I like it better than the $70 Razr mouse I had before it.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Asheram on September 19, 2015, 12:51:28 am
I would also recommend the Logitech 700s as well. I had one for about 2 years spilled a drink on it and didn't research to find out that you need to remove the battery before trying to wash it lol and I ruined it. Logitech sent me another one no charge as it was still under the 3 year warranty, didn't even need to send the broke one back to them (wasn't a paid warranty either, I bought the square trade insurance and didn't even need it lol).

I recently bought a Logitech g502 proteus core but its not as comfortable as my g700s as it seems really small and I have small hands too so I returned it back to Fry's (was on sale for $40). Wish it was bigger.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Xant on September 19, 2015, 01:06:10 am
SteelSeries is shit.

I've had pretty much every gaming mouse, and Mionix Avior 7000 is the only mouse that has had a good enough sensor to keep up with me. Great mouse. The materials feel "solid" too, as opposed to the cheap Chinese plastic pretty much every other gaming mouse is made out of.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Falka on September 19, 2015, 08:55:26 am
Hm, I've paid 10 $ for my mouse and it seems to be good enough.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Latvian on September 19, 2015, 11:56:46 am
i usually use cheapest shit i can buy in local store, doesnt prevent me from reking peeps here :D
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Molly on September 19, 2015, 12:51:48 pm
This is mine for about 3 years now. Works as well as on day one... (http://en.sharkoon.com/product/1692/10042#desc)
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Golem on September 19, 2015, 01:47:05 pm
I have almost the same mouse as Molly, works well.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: djavo on September 19, 2015, 01:55:27 pm
Used mx 518 and G5 for years. Now using g502. Perfect mouse but not for lefties.
About keyboard cant reccomend all our same shit to me.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Oberyn on September 19, 2015, 01:58:11 pm
There's no appreciable difference between a basic 10$ microsoft mouse and a "gaming" mouse that costs five times as much, at least for me. Maybe if I was competing for money or something in games like Starcraft or the MOBAs that are so popular right now, the edge from proper equipment would be definable, but for virtually fighting bundle of sticks trolls on a mod for a dead gay 5 year old turkish niche game, the barebones essentials are more than enough.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Radament on September 19, 2015, 02:15:39 pm
wait....all of you saying steelseries are shit...bought this http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Kinzu-Optical-Gaming-Rubberized/dp/B007AP8RJ4 (http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Kinzu-Optical-Gaming-Rubberized/dp/B007AP8RJ4) for like 25 euros and i will never change this , those weird looking logitech mouses with 192823737 buttons are not for me.
I can stand this http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Intellimouse-Explorer-Gaming-Package/dp/B000GOUE7O/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1442664694&sr=1-1&keywords=microsoft+intellimouse+3.0 (http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Intellimouse-Explorer-Gaming-Package/dp/B000GOUE7O/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1442664694&sr=1-1&keywords=microsoft+intellimouse+3.0) , maybe i am too old for those swag mouse out there but tell me a reason why are you all bashing steelseries.
Ok the brand is popular in the gaming scene , like cs but unlike razer it doesn't have very expensive mouse , the quality is quite good , really don't know why you so mad about it :/
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Radament on September 19, 2015, 02:18:19 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on September 19, 2015, 01:58:11 pm
There's no appreciable difference between a basic 10$ microsoft mouse and a "gaming" mouse that costs five times as much, at least for me. Maybe if I was competing for money or something in games like Starcraft or the MOBAs that are so popular right now, the edge from proper equipment would be definable, but for virtually fighting bundle of sticks trolls on a mod for a dead gay 5 year old turkish niche game, the barebones essentials are more than enough.

you are absolutely right.
Played crpg with a shitty logitech mouse (http://www.logitech.com/it-it/product/wireless-mouse-m235-2nd-gen?crid=7 (http://www.logitech.com/it-it/product/wireless-mouse-m235-2nd-gen?crid=7)) , yeah don't know how i handled it but if you are playing some competitive fps you really don't want to play with that  piece of crap.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Oberyn on September 19, 2015, 02:20:06 pm
https://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/basic-optical-mouse
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Lars on September 19, 2015, 03:00:32 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on September 19, 2015, 02:20:06 pm
https://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/basic-optical-mouse

That's my mouse, the scroll wheel is broken and i have disabled it in warband, or it randomly changes shield/weapon when I'm playing even if I don't touch it.
Mine is greyish/whiteish.

This is my mouse pad
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Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Leshma on September 19, 2015, 03:01:44 pm
Quote from: Radament on September 19, 2015, 02:15:39 pm
wait....all of you saying steelseries are shit...bought this http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Kinzu-Optical-Gaming-Rubberized/dp/B007AP8RJ4 (http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Kinzu-Optical-Gaming-Rubberized/dp/B007AP8RJ4) for like 25 euros and i will never change this , those weird looking logitech mouses with 192823737 buttons are not for me.
I can stand this http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Intellimouse-Explorer-Gaming-Package/dp/B000GOUE7O/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1442664694&sr=1-1&keywords=microsoft+intellimouse+3.0 (http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Intellimouse-Explorer-Gaming-Package/dp/B000GOUE7O/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1442664694&sr=1-1&keywords=microsoft+intellimouse+3.0) , maybe i am too old for those swag mouse out there but tell me a reason why are you all bashing steelseries.
Ok the brand is popular in the gaming scene , like cs but unlike razer it doesn't have very expensive mouse , the quality is quite good , really don't know why you so mad about it :/

Quality is decent because you have been lucky. It is like buying Saitek joysticks. You can get a good one and be happy with it but many people will get crap for the same price. Because quality control is not the best.

SteelSeries is basically gamer oriented brand that popped out of nowhere who make copies of legendary Intellimouse you also linked. That is whole their business, same look as MS IM 3.0 but different button placement, sensors etc.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Oberyn on September 19, 2015, 03:34:00 pm
Quote from: Lars on September 19, 2015, 03:00:32 pm
That's my mouse, the scroll wheel is broken and i have disabled it in warband, or it randomly changes shield/weapon when I'm playing even if I don't touch it.
Mine is greyish/whiteish.

This is my mouse pad
(click to show/hide)

Mouse bros!
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on September 19, 2015, 03:39:13 pm
I have quite  a lot of Steelseries stuff and I've never had a problem with any of it. My Sensei is about 4 years old now and occasionally sticks on the side button but that's from dirt.

Before Steelseries I had a few Razer products and they worked really well for 6 months, like amazing stuff. Then 6 months later the tracking will go and it'll drag the wrong direction, Razer refused to warranty so fuck them. Also really expensive.

Before that I had some mid-low Logitech stuff which went the same was as Razer just at about 1/3 the cost. I did however have an MX310 (I think) for about 5 years which was amazing.

I've heard really good stuff about Corsair's peripheral range and since their hardware is great I'd definitely give them a look.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Xant on September 19, 2015, 03:44:28 pm
You don't need a good mouse for M&B, obviously. You only need a good one if you want to be good in FPS games.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Oberyn on September 19, 2015, 03:51:56 pm
Only fps I've played lately has been RO2 and I do ok in that. Not exactly twitchy competitive fps, maybe. But even warband is kind of an fps. I think being comfortable with the mouse, regardless of how many objective technical advantages it may or may not have, is more important than anything. Then there's inherent/learned player skill. If you are naturally terrible or just new, there's no number of technical boosts that will surmount that lack.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on September 19, 2015, 03:53:52 pm
Agreed, get something that's a good size and weight for you without crazy numbers of buttons. Also fuck sideways scrolling wheels what's that all about. And braided cables rather than the plastic so it doesn't catch as much.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Xant on September 19, 2015, 03:56:41 pm
Quote from: Oberyn on September 19, 2015, 03:51:56 pm
Only fps I've played lately has been RO2 and I do ok in that. Not exactly twitchy competitive fps, maybe. But even warband is kind of an fps. I think being comfortable with the mouse, regardless of how many objective technical advantages it may or may not have, is more important than anything. Then there's inherent/learned player skill. If you are naturally terrible or just new, there's no number of technical boosts that will surmount that lack.
As long as your mouse can pick up up, down, left and right it will be fine for M&B, not comparable to real FPS games at all.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Torost on September 19, 2015, 04:56:41 pm
I recently bought keyboard + mouse. Without any real clue. Did some research and randomly ended up with Steelseries with black mx keys and  Logitech G302 Daedalus Prime . Works nice imo. Not really tested them for anything real yet.

I wanted mechanical keys and both wired. Have had rechargable and wireless before. Do not like it. Suddenly they crap out at the worst possible time.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Angantyr on September 19, 2015, 06:12:04 pm
Roccat Kone is my favourite mouse, my first one lasted for seven years and I only replaced it with a newer version because I'd accidentally scrubbed off some coating when cleaning it.

It's a very comfortable mouse for both claw, palm and fingertip grip, it's highly programmable, has nylon cord, adjustable weight, a very good scroll wheel and a nice rubber surface. German quality overall.

http://www.roccat.org/en-US/Products/Gaming-Mice/Kone-XTD-Series/Kone-XTD/

In regards to keyboard I prefer a very cheap Logitech standard keyboard, great for writing, looks good and performs as good as the ridiculous 'gamer' keyboard I once bought.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on September 19, 2015, 06:48:59 pm
I have a roccat savu for quite some time now and I am more than happy with it.

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Buttons still work well with nice response and not so loud like some logitech I had. I have fairly large hands still I hate those big mice, this feels exactly right for me. The sensor is more than enough for all my needs and it has a reasonable price, really recommend it.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Angantyr on September 19, 2015, 07:06:35 pm
Roccat in general makes solid products, much better ergonomics and build quality than anything I've seen from Razer and at the same price. I think it is a worthwhile investment to put a bit of money into something you use for hours near every single day, and which will last for years.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Kasigi_Yabu on September 19, 2015, 09:49:25 pm
The topic seems to be focused on the gaming side.
My current mouse is this Gigabyte Mouse (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-V3-Wireless-Adjustable-Receiver/dp/B008Z2DUF2/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1442691758&sr=1-3&keywords=Gigabyte+GM-M7580)
I bought it as part of a keyboard and mouse set. It is really bad, terrible connection sometimes, eats batteries up really fast and does not feel very comfortable.
Therefore my main focus is to get something comfortable with a nice material, long lasting. It just needs to be good enough to play M&B and similar, not something with loads of extra buttons, maybe only a few.
So overall a good quality mouse that is comfortable and good for standard gaming.

Thanks
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Angantyr on September 20, 2015, 12:14:07 am
I recommended the Kone xtd for build quality and comfort especially, I don't need any of those fluff features either. It's ergonomics, durability and nice rubber coating were the selling points for me. But you won't know if a mouse suits you before you've gripped it.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Xant on September 20, 2015, 07:22:43 am
Keyboardwise, never noticed any real difference between gaming and "normal" keyboards, aside from some admittedly useful gimmicks, like locking the windows key with a button, etc.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: BlackxBird on September 20, 2015, 12:40:07 pm
http://www.amazon.de/Logitech-G400-optische-Gaming-schnurgebunden/dp/B00573Y2RC

that one is my mouse, using it now for like 3 years now and it works great

and I gonna buy this keyboard:

http://www.amazon.de/Sharkoon-beleuchtete-Tastatur-Multimedia--Profil-Tasten/dp/B00N3OCV7U/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1441738473&sr=1-1

Gotta buy a new one cuz the one I use now is like 20 years old and my old one 1vs1 a bottle of beer and well, beer is stronk... :D
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Xant on September 20, 2015, 12:58:52 pm
What you have to keep in mind when looking for a mouse (or anything, for that matter) is that most people are going to say their current mouse is the best thing since sliced bread, whether it is or isn't. Sunk costs fallacy.

Realistically, though, it doesn't matter. For the vast majority of people, any gaming mouse will do the job just fine. Get something you like the shape of, done.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Christo on September 20, 2015, 01:06:47 pm
Quote from: Xant on September 20, 2015, 12:58:52 pm
Get something you like the shape of, done.

This.

I can't stand using a tall mouse, I like it as low as possible because I hate lifting it around, I prefer hand on the table and not on the mouse completely
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Leshma on September 20, 2015, 01:17:33 pm
I prefer claw grip but i got used to palm grip. For me wireless is priority. Been using them for more than a decade, can't get used to mouse with cable again.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: cup457 on September 20, 2015, 04:35:50 pm
Wired is by far the best, wireless costs more and require more maintenance. I used a logitech g300 for 4 years until it broke. THen i bought some shit mad catz mouse and it fell apart instantly. I recently bought a g300s (basically same as g300 but slightly higher max dpi) and its worked pretty great. I use a dell keyboard
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because its about 5$ at a thrift store and its unbreakable, and you can just go buy another one. I hate buying things that say "Gaming" in them because they are usually a ripoff.
Title: Re: Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Krex on September 23, 2015, 09:48:26 pm
Using a G500s for some time now, it's a good mouse with not to many extra buttons and those that it has aren't pressed by accident and are actually usefull.
As for a keyboard, I'm using a G710+ since I got my PC and I'm really happy with it, but it wasn't that cheap.