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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: PoisonedTail on September 15, 2015, 10:52:29 pm

Title: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: PoisonedTail on September 15, 2015, 10:52:29 pm
Issue:
This strat stalemate thing is getting old. Every day I look for upcoming battles and every day I am disappointed to see no one has the balls to attack. Sure the whole Eu invasion was fun, but Acre is pretty much wiped out and there is nothing left to do.

Suggestion:

I call for an all out war. No more sitting in castles and farming for troops/traderuns. I want all the factions to divide in two groups. Besides, what is the point of farming if you aren't going to do anything with those items/troops. Not only would daily strat battles be extremely fun, it would encourage repopulation of the mod and earn us a lot of xp.

Strat Factions
(If I missed a faction, reply with your faction name)

Lost Legion
Mithrim
HoC
Acre
Brotherhood
Peasants
Berserks
AoW
Astralis
Libere Equites
Taser

Occitan

Possible Alliances.....(Just an example)

Lost Legion, AoW, Peasants, HoC, Astralis vs Brotherhood, Libere Equites, Acre, Mithrim, Berserks, Taser,Occitan.......


So what do you say strat leaders? Can we have some fun or will we continue aimless collect troops and silver?

Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: ArysOakheart on September 15, 2015, 11:14:10 pm
We peasants are very slow at getting our shit together, but once we do, you just wait. ApocalypticaCaldradia. (and our colour is fuschia not that dirty red color you gave us)
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 15, 2015, 11:15:41 pm
Give me war. Give some drama. And give me an enemy who does something. And most importantly, get me a fair roster, and Im totally fine with everything, but I don't really want to fight with people who hate me and who'd give a shit about my orders in strat battles :D
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Taser on September 15, 2015, 11:27:26 pm
Taser looking for enemies. Masses of lonely soldiers looking for a partner to do the dance of death with.

Pls respond and give your credentials. Maybe we can work up a lovely little war.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: PoisonedTail on September 15, 2015, 11:57:59 pm
Give me war. Give some drama. And give me an enemy who does something. And most importantly, get me a fair roster, and Im totally fine with everything, but I don't really want to fight with people who hate me and who'd give a shit about my orders in strat battles :D
But remember BlackBird, this won't just be your war. You will have allies this time.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: engurrand on September 16, 2015, 02:48:31 am
fuck wars too much politcal bs

lets start with tournaments in strat.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Lemon on September 16, 2015, 05:20:59 am
you forgot my faction

lemonparty.org
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: PoisonedTail on September 16, 2015, 05:25:48 am
you forgot my faction

lemonparty.org
My mistake sir. How could I forget such a noble and well established clan. It will not happen again.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Dynamics_BRD on September 16, 2015, 05:47:10 am
The main factor you aren't considering is merc support. The problem is factions can't do crap because not enough people will sign up for them to make the battles fair. So major factions except "HCE" are left in a position where if they attack any of their allies they will be left with little to no merc support hence the reason for no battles unless it's against HCE.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 06:26:48 am
HCE will sign equally for any two factions that go to war in NA not with HCE!
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Dynamics_BRD on September 16, 2015, 06:42:13 am
HCE will sign equally for any two factions that go to war in NA not with HCE!
You can say that, but there's always a group of people in every faction that will refuse to sign for another side even if they're neutral to that party for whatever reason. Also what's to say that half of acre won't goes under pseudonyms and sign against a specific side making merc support uneven. Not trying to say you guys will just using it as an example.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 06:46:43 am
Sure well we welcome some other wars! We can promise to bring mercs as well! Nearing 300 players now!
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 16, 2015, 07:04:48 am
Holy Ass Kicked
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Dutchydave on September 16, 2015, 10:24:14 am
We peasants are very slow at getting our shit together, but once we do, you just wait. ApocalypticaCaldradia. (and our colour is fuschia not that dirty red color you gave us)

Fuck Arys and fuck his pesants
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 16, 2015, 11:30:29 am
Even if it's a battle involving me on the map?
HCE will sign equally for any two factions that go to war in NA not with HCE!

He answered your question in the quote you put
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: ArysOakheart on September 16, 2015, 12:32:43 pm
Fuck Arys and fuck his pesants

Fuck you and blow it out your ass Dutchy. We're Peasants not pesants. Blow it out your filthy fookin neckbeard.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: cup457 on September 16, 2015, 06:18:17 pm
We could do something similar to murders xp battles but instead scenario battles or so.ething
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 16, 2015, 08:47:17 pm
We could do something similar to murders xp battles but instead scenario battles or so.ething
XP Battles are boring as fuck IMO. The fun part about Strategus that adds excitement is the chance of losing it all. There's no fun if you can't lose anything. The entire point of playing is building up your shit so someone will eventually try and wipe you and you can protect your shit and then trying to wipe them yourself. Without the game of chance it wouldn't be worth playing.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 09:17:43 pm
I agree we shouldn't move to doing just XP battles. Instead some factions other than HCE should grow some balls and attack each other.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 16, 2015, 10:30:26 pm
I agree we shouldn't move to doing just XP battles. Instead some factions other than HCE should grow some balls and attack each other.

Because everyone knows how much HCE has been on the offensive.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 10:35:30 pm
We get attacked by the 80% of the map that is working together anytime we make moves. It is sad to see you are so blind Voncrow.

Just in case anyone is not up to date on the situation here is a map of the current war against HCE.

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You guys could make strategus a hell of a lot more fun if you weren't too scared to fight each other.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 16, 2015, 10:55:46 pm
Maybe you shouldn't declare war on majority of the map then.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 10:57:42 pm
Do you think that is what happened?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Bronto on September 16, 2015, 10:58:19 pm
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Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:03:25 pm
Anyways if you guys do ever have a war not against Acre/HCE...

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We will be there with bells on!
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 16, 2015, 11:20:15 pm
When HCE formed you guys attacked LL, which is the same as declaring war. You claim you were already at war because of the eternal war with acre, but your leader also claimed that the past relations of your members were severed which would include war. You later declared war on wardens or HoC, I don't remember which but since they were allied. So you pretty much declared war on both or are just too stupid to pay attention to alliances and did so unwittingly. So more than 3/4 of the the hostile land on that map belongs to those factions that you either intentionally or unintentionally declared war on. Either way to complain about it would to be the same as complaining about your own ignorance.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:22:18 pm
bullshit

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Again you are lying. LL was a part of backstabbing Acre in the Kingdoms of the North. The leader of LL specifically told us he would be at war with us forever. Bryggan chose to declare war on HoC. The berserks attacked us without declaring war.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 16, 2015, 11:23:53 pm
WOTN declared war on us, we declared war on HOC. Learn your facts nerd
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 16, 2015, 11:28:15 pm
WOTN declared war on us, we declared war on HOC. Learn your facts nerd

Guess what, WOTN were allied to HoC. When you declare war on someone in an alliance, the alliance defends them. Learn your diplomacy.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:29:11 pm
Voncrow is just trying to distract from the reality here. Even with 80% of the map under control LL, Wardens, HoC, Berserks, and the rest of the anti HCE mega block are still not comfortable with fighting a fair war. Prove me wrong if you have the balls.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 16, 2015, 11:33:09 pm
James is just trying to hide the faction that most of that 80% comes from his faction who can't defend their shit because they are shit. After creating a shitstorms for themselves, they are now trying to shit talk their way out of it. The problem is that just increases the size of the shitstorm.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:35:54 pm
 :lol: Well just keep in mind voncrow we are here for fun, and we forgive you.

(click to show/hide)

For the record we aren't afraid of any of you cowards. Come at us.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Dutchydave on September 16, 2015, 11:39:33 pm
Voncrow is just trying to distract from the reality here. Even with 80% of the map under control LL, Wardens, HoC, Berserks, and the rest of the anti HCE mega block are still not comfortable with fighting a fair war. Prove me wrong if you have the balls.

James just because you lost your virginity and have made one attack for your entire strat career, I just don't think this is enough to say other people have no balls. HCE had 3 armies attacked yesterday, why where they running around the desert trading? Why didn't they go on the counter offensive? Are their balls already big enough?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:41:33 pm
We sent them out there so you guys would attack them and we would have battles. I really think you guys have it in you to have another war. You can do it!
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 16, 2015, 11:43:48 pm
...u really go out of your way to be disliked dont you lad? like, your, that guy.

damn.

like i said, people typically get the love \ hate they deserve.

and again, i know you think its everyone else's fault but yours, that 80% of the map is against you, but, thats just one of those reasons, 80% of the map hates you in the first place.

also, have you noticed how Brygg is also HCE...and has plenty of friends and love from outside of HCE? time for the king to take some lessons from the emperor ya? ...i still love brygg...i dont have, like, any affection for you what so ever james. your a ego maniac, which would be fine and acceptable, if you werent such a sub par player, delusions of grandeur got a hold on you boy.

so what your fairly chilled in ts sometimes...so's lumetta, and you and your lads +1'd the shit outta that post i made of him. funny when its your turn, your not so honest, at least lumetta admits he's a cheap cunt of a coward who abuses xbows and runs from fights...your worse, to be honest, you should be banned for suicide leeching, not because of how bad you are, but because you literally charge into the enemy by yourself, spinning and spamming like...well a suicide leecher would lol.

so take your haters gonna hate bullshit and shove it, you get the hate you deserve.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:45:44 pm
Not a bad try. But don't forget that Acre fought against the likes of Sandy, Daruvian, Artyem, Relit... You guys though clearly practiced trolls just don't match up.

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If ever the day comes where you guys actually can capture our remaining fiefs then we will see if you guys are actually capable of war. I have been getting pretty cozy in Durquba though...
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 16, 2015, 11:49:19 pm
Not a bad try. But don't forget that Acre fought against the likes of Sandy, Daruvian, Artyem, Relit... You guys though clearly practiced trolls just don't match up.

HAA

LOL

lets get this straight. that...was a different acre, under different leadership. i loved Rein, and when he left, you werent as nuts as you are now, shit, you were respectful and honest. you can talk all the shit you want about kesh, but looking at your old posts about him and how he saved your ass, makes me laugh alot now a days.

bringing up old glories that arnt even yours...thats fucking low.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:50:14 pm
 :lol: Yeah im the one who is losing it...


Anyways try to not distract too much from the real reason the thread was opened. It is time that this megablock did something!
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 16, 2015, 11:52:50 pm
:lol: Yeah im the one who is losing it...

Yes i think you are, i mean, was any of what i just wrote incorrect?

Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:53:36 pm
I don't read what you write. Most of it comes off as hateful gibberish.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 16, 2015, 11:54:00 pm
also..they did do something.

they took on the biggest block on the map...and pretty much wiped them. thats not something? damn.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:54:32 pm
Ganking people is an achievement to some. I don't think what has been achieved by the Anti HCE block is worth much considering the situation of EU invading and Anti HCE helping them invade. Now the defensive stand by HCE on the other hand has been magnificient. Hopefully there are more fights at Durquba, has been a blast!
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 16, 2015, 11:57:24 pm
no no

see thats why we have a problem with you, have you ever considered what YOU write might be hateful jibberish? and i read it. because if i didnt, i wouldnt know wtf you were talking about...right?

again, feel free to correct me on anything ive posted about you. or dont, i mean, if thats what you do when i write, then yeah, your THAT guy. you are truly blind to your own ignorance huh?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 16, 2015, 11:58:49 pm
I feel like most of my posts are propaganda posters where I am clearly joking. But I am sorry if I have offended you.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 16, 2015, 11:59:10 pm
im sorry what? how is defending a city multiple times...magnificent? james...thats what you are SUPPOSED to do with a city...they are quite hard to take.

if you want to hear an achievement...taking a city with only 500 loses...THATS magnificent...is it not?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 16, 2015, 11:59:57 pm
Ganking people is an achievement to some. I don't think what has been achieved by the Anti HCE block is worth much considering the situation of EU invading and Anti HCE helping them invade. Now the defensive stand by HCE on the other hand has been magnificient. Hopefully there are more fights at Durquba, has been a blast!

For you apparently the achievement is sitting in your cushy fief daring people to attack you because you have no balls to actually attack.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 17, 2015, 12:05:54 am
For you apparently the achievement is sitting in your cushy fief daring people to attack you because you have no balls to actually attack.
Isn't that what the berserks do too?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Lt_Anders on September 17, 2015, 12:15:58 am
For you apparently the achievement is sitting in your cushy fief daring people to attack you because you have no balls to actually attack.

No lie.
That's me. Hard to Hold fiefs, manage a faction AND fight people.

Course I don't belong to a "Powerhouse" faction like the rest.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 12:16:17 am
We do attack and we do send out armies. I am sorry you can't understand it Voncrow. No matter how many times you speak this bs it will never become true. You should probably try a different approach.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 17, 2015, 12:18:21 am
Isn't that what the berserks do too?

Berserks don't sit in a town with 20 recruiters calling the people attacking them cowards while not attacking. Unless I got Berserks and HCE mixed up, their strategus accomplishments are on the same tier so it can be confusing.

We do attack and we do send out armies. I am sorry you can't understand it Voncrow. No matter how many times you speak this bs it will never become true. You should probably try a different approach.

So when was you last attack? Oh right Bauer, except bauer was a rogue agent, before that. Was you attacking people after they lost sieges... Very impressive. Oh yeah when you attack Dirk, that sure was interesting.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 12:19:09 am
Berserks aren't fighting against 80% of the map  :lol:

There is not much our armies can do if they are attacked in the field... How often do we send out these armies? Well just as often as we want  8-).
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 17, 2015, 12:21:09 am
Berserks aren't fighting against 80% of the map  :lol:

There is not much our armies can do if they are attacked in the field... How often do we send out these armies? Well just as often as we want  8-).

So almost never? Yeah that's cool.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 12:22:37 am
Whatever helps you sleep at night Voncrow. The situation is blatantly obvious and at this point I think you are only trying to convince yourself.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 17, 2015, 12:23:14 am
So almost never? Yeah that's cool.
At least 5 times in the last week
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 17, 2015, 12:23:37 am
or vice versa. But that would mean you could possibly be wrong James, so that can't be the answer.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: W0LF on September 17, 2015, 12:30:59 am
Just fucking agree to disagree you two. It is the same retarded fight each day. As you both can tell neither will be changing their mind of what they think anytime soon.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: cup457 on September 17, 2015, 12:48:18 am
Im glad you three bundle of stickss are so hard for each other that you argue in every thread on this forum and derail every thread. Also i clearly said similar to xp battles called scenario battles where you dont have forward spawns and murder each other for 2 hours
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Bronto on September 17, 2015, 01:09:01 am
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Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: PoisonedTail on September 17, 2015, 03:30:50 am
So.... can we get back on topic?.... Or are we just going to make this into a bitching thread?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Jona on September 17, 2015, 04:05:22 am
I really wish that there could be subforum-specific mutes...
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 17, 2015, 04:59:20 am
IMO heres an even war. HoC + WOTN vs LL and Acre. Both sides would have relatively equal merc pools and troop/active commanders.

Another fun match up would be

LL + WOTN vs HoC + Beserks vs Acre + Occitan in a three way war
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: PoisonedTail on September 17, 2015, 05:28:27 am
IMO heres an even war. HoC + WOTN vs LL and Acre. Both sides would have relatively equal merc pools and troop/active commanders.

Another fun match up would be

LL + WOTN vs HoC + Beserks vs Acre + Occitan in a three way war
Lol I don't think it would be possible for Dutchy to work with Acre.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Froi on September 17, 2015, 05:44:25 am
Oh yeah when you attack Dirk, that sure was interesting.
The blame for the mistaken attack of Dirk belongs to me, as I was new and didn't know who to attack.  Can't really use it to try and berate the entire faction somehow.  Feel free to berate me though.  I love it when other men put me down.  Gets me hard as a rock.

Anyways, stay classy Voncrow.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 05:50:09 am
As I have said I welcome any new wars! Would be a lot of fun to see someone attack a target other than Acre/HCE.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: PoisonedTail on September 17, 2015, 06:01:56 am
As I have said I welcome any new wars! Would be a lot of fun to see someone attack a target other than Acre/HCE.
I am only here to suggest an idea. I suggest you contact other strat leaders and talk about this war.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 06:05:00 am
We have unfortunately. At this point it is out of our hands. If NA wants to sit idle it can, if it wants good wars it can have them.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Dutchydave on September 17, 2015, 06:16:25 am
IMO heres an even war. HoC + WOTN vs LL and Acre. Both sides would have relatively equal merc pools and troop/active commanders.

Another fun match up would be

LL + WOTN vs HoC + Beserks vs Acre + Occitan in a three way war

But if you havn't been keeping up to date Beserks are the only faction that LL has an official alliance with.

Also:

- No LL would never fight by the side of Acre again. Five weeks or what ever it was is already too much.  :shock:

- James like WTF lol you sit here telling people that they have no balls in an attempt to egg them on to attack someone else, tell everyone how much fun you have had at the many city defences we brought you, say you sent armies out in the desert so they could be attacked for the 3 field defences a few days ago and round in circles you go in this one thread.  :rolleyes: Seriously WTF

- Fuck you Arys!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 06:17:34 am
I'm fine with you guys continuing to attack us. I'm trying to point out you guys could also attack each other and create more battles!
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Dutchydave on September 17, 2015, 06:22:29 am
I'm fine with you guys continuing to attack us. I'm trying to point out you guys could also attack each other and create more battles!

But the big question is from all this:

Is this you admitting to having no balls?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 06:24:45 am
Look I would agree with you guys but then we would all be wrong.

I have one question to ask you guys... What would you do if you ever really did defeat us? Could you attack each other then?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Havelle on September 17, 2015, 06:28:28 am
What would you do if you ever really did defeat us?

We're all gonna get laid if you guys lose the war.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 17, 2015, 06:32:46 am
The reason y james welcomes new wars is that he is sitting on 20 k unarmed troops and has to fucking get money now. And thats rhe only fucking reason why their armies were leaving durquba. Not to give anyone fights. U need that fiefu attacked to fucking sell goods, cuz the only territory u can trade is ours in eu. And when u trade there u give us a shitton of tax. Dont be like the great ppl who try to make strat cool, cuz dude, u guys absolutely arent. U fucking destroied that game for me. I did so much work and then get not even once attacked by a real army...
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 06:38:36 am
Well I hope you guys would have other wars if we weren't here...  :lol:
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Viscount on September 17, 2015, 07:30:40 am
why cant you both just be peaced and end this madness its been to long and all you done is waste armies and do nothing
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Dynamics_BRD on September 17, 2015, 07:42:36 am
why cant you both just be peaced and end this madness its been to long and all you done is waste armies and do nothing
If by wasting armies you mean using them the only way you can on the strat map while providing the community with epic exp battles, then I don't think anyone knows how not to "waste an army".
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Froi on September 17, 2015, 02:52:59 pm
why cant you both just be peaced and end this madness its been to long and all you done is waste armies and do nothing
Don't think you can preach anything about 'wasting' armies, as you kinda wasted yours a day or two ago.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Bronto on September 17, 2015, 03:29:03 pm
The theme of this is:

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Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Jona on September 17, 2015, 04:29:11 pm
The theme of this is:

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Agreed, a whole lot of wasted words/time spent typing.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 17, 2015, 04:34:11 pm
pff, not my fault when james blocks hits with his face...
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: MURDERTRON on September 17, 2015, 04:43:04 pm
If you guys want to give me your stuff and a castle, I can do EXP battles again.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: ARN_ on September 17, 2015, 06:56:15 pm
If you guys want to give me your stuff and a castle, I can do EXP battles again.
EXP battles are boring, just do normal battles!
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 06:57:11 pm
I agree some of the anti-HCE factions should have some wars
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Bryggan on September 17, 2015, 07:09:30 pm
Strat just moves too slow. 24 men a day, and it takes weeks to get everyone where you want on the map. Then you get a bad roster, and the battle could be over in ten minutes and all that work is thrown away.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 07:10:30 pm
I think it would be fine if we saw LL/eques vs Wardens/HoC no doubt both sides could field good amounts of armies as they hold most of the map.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Jona on September 17, 2015, 08:10:47 pm
Yeah, it's slow as hell to get an army and decent gear for it nowadays. First off, they jacked the price of gear way up for this strat, and secondly we've got less players than ever before to actually run around trading. No way anyone is going to agree to have some xp battles anytime soon. Strat needs to be over-simplified and fast paced if there ever is any sort of patch of it or even a strat 6, while still remaining rewarding for anyone who has invested in it greatly. Otherwise no one would keep coming back if you can make a 1200 man shiny army in a day; then it would just be chaos and not a single battle would be of any significance.

I think it would be fine if we saw LL/eques vs Wardens/HoC no doubt both sides could field good amounts of armies as they hold most of the map.

You realize that owning fiefs has no impact on your ability to produce troops, right?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 17, 2015, 08:12:13 pm
Certainly helps with gearing the armies. Regardless I really think it is time some other groups stepped up and made some battles.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: cup457 on September 17, 2015, 08:25:21 pm
Worst part about troops gain being so slow is that if you accidently sit in a crime ridden fief you lose all of them. Ive been trading in eu and lost several hundred from just forgetting and leaving my army sitting in a fief for a few hours


Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 17, 2015, 08:53:36 pm
It isn't possible to declare war on a faction you are in a war with, haven't you noobs ever played eu4?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 17, 2015, 09:51:12 pm
You realize that owning fiefs has no impact on your ability to produce troops, right?  :rolleyes:

This. I'm pretty sure House Stark did a 10/10 job on demonstrating that owning a shit load of fiefs doesnt mean you have a lot of manpower or troops(or even gear).
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Bryggan on September 17, 2015, 10:54:12 pm
The problem too is that no one knows how strong the others actually are. Land doesn't mean anything, and nor does the amount of faction members as some aren't as active as others.

So let's split the map in three, and have three captains pick teams. Then we'll split all the mercs the same way. Then we'll have a very equal three way war. Whenever two factions battle, the third will even out the rosters to ensure maximum casualties on their enemies.

There you go, problem solved. Please show your gratitude with gold and looms please.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Taser on September 17, 2015, 11:03:33 pm
The problem too is that no one knows how strong the others actually are. Land doesn't mean anything, and nor does the amount of faction members as some aren't as active as others.

Tasa Clan the strongest faction.

I am willing to take on vassals however for a menage a trois.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 17, 2015, 11:54:46 pm
Who would the captains be? Bryggan and Dutchy for sure IMO but for the third? Probably James or Jona.


If I was a team captain my first pick would be Dutchy or Knightmare hands down lol
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Viscount on September 18, 2015, 12:22:33 am
How to start a war
-bug them
-bug them again
-bug them 4 more times
-attack a village
-attack a army
-attack the capital city
-gets bored of no where to attack.....
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 18, 2015, 12:24:17 am
Who would the captains be? Bryggan and Dutchy for sure IMO but for the third? Probably James or Jona.


If I was a team captain my first pick would be Dutchy or Knightmare hands down lol

James and Bryggan are from the same faction, you need someone like Jona or Thalion, maybe some MB guy.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 18, 2015, 12:29:46 am
James and Bryggan are from the same faction, you need someone like Jona or Thalion, maybe some MB guy.

A) Bryggan and James aren't in the same faction
B) The idea is that we are getting rid of factions completely and restarting
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Bronto on September 18, 2015, 12:40:21 am
I'll do it. I'll be a leader and make sure all battles are fought Monday through Friday from 8AM to 5PM est.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 18, 2015, 12:41:57 am
Id say u guys do war and I will be the refree.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Voncrow on September 18, 2015, 12:44:29 am
I don't trust any of the leaders to be free of bias in their decisions anyway, which is why the problem lies in having three factions. That just rewards the faction who is patient and waits for the other two factions to fight it out. Just have two factions with the same amount of recourses.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 18, 2015, 12:52:00 am
who fucking cares about rescources. The mercs are the fucking problem. If u see HCE (+occitan) being able to fucking compete with the whole map, what would u do there to get a fair roster with HCE involved? Like, u guys are the biggest faction now, james just claimed that they have 300 members, who could fucking compete with that? (But Grey order, who does not even give a single shit about NA) And u cant let them out, cuz when they farm for like one more month they'll probably have more troops than I have lol. Well, still they won't have the shitton of silver we have, but still, silver and troops dont fight a war. The men on the battlefield do.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 18, 2015, 01:18:08 am
I don't trust any of the leaders to be free of bias in their decisions anyway, which is why the problem lies in having three factions. That just rewards the faction who is patient and waits for the other two factions to fight it out. Just have two factions with the same amount of recourses.
Make me the leader of all three factions(Like Palpatine in the prequels, even though it was only 2 factions) and I can promise i will destroy myself and lose every single battle to myself. If I had the resources of James/Dutchy/Jona/Blackbird I'd attack everyone non-stop lol
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Bronto on September 18, 2015, 02:39:32 am
I've got almost 600 troops and they're pretty heavily armed, I'm pretty sure I have the most at this point in time.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Zeus_ on September 18, 2015, 02:43:57 am
I've got almost 600 troops and they're pretty heavily armed, I'm pretty sure I have the most at this point in time.

We must all bow down before the Great King Bronto, for he will be able to wipe us all off the map.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Bronto on September 18, 2015, 02:50:30 am
We must all bow down before the Great King Bronto, for he will be able to wipe us all off the map.

"I'm yertle the turtle oh marvelous me
For I am the ruler of all that I see"
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Taser on September 18, 2015, 03:18:22 am
I've got almost 600 troops and they're pretty heavily armed, I'm pretty sure I have the most at this point in time.

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Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Lt_Anders on September 18, 2015, 03:46:47 am
Make Anders King.  :)

I'd do a good job Retreating on all our battles :lol:
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 18, 2015, 03:56:22 am
We must all bow down before the Great King Bronto, for he will be able to wipe us all off the map.
Don't worry Zeus, I'll come in and save us!

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Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Behemoth_ on September 18, 2015, 04:52:08 am
Voncrow can you shut the fuck up
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Rando on September 18, 2015, 08:43:15 am
We peasants are very slow at getting our shit together, but once we do, you just wait. ApocalypticaCaldradia. (and our colour is fuschia not that dirty red color you gave us)

But once we do, just you wait - we'll take one village and then accept peace.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: woody on September 18, 2015, 02:18:19 pm
I find the greys dont give shit about NA interesting the UIF gave up on EU side long before crash due to the total and utter lack of competition.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Kalp on September 18, 2015, 02:44:09 pm
I find the greys dont give shit about NA interesting the UIF gave up on EU side long before crash due to the total and utter lack of competition.
Nah, we wanted to burn some fiefs, the bug happened just few moments before our readiness to attack.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 18, 2015, 03:11:09 pm
WTF kalp u serious? I made 7 armies ready anc wanted ro do the first attack like 3 hours after the bug xD wanted to wipe sguards and then armin, would have been shit if u were marching in our territory while we were marching out to the forrest xD
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Kalp on September 18, 2015, 03:37:51 pm
Kalp my good man, come to NA plz. Bring Hetman and all of Grey Order's might. It'll me fun I promise!

You can attack the Steppe or something (sorry Dutchy) and camp all those bitch-cities that HRE hid in last strat and are impossible to capture.
Bring me normal ping there... impossibru. I manage my fiefs and impose new taxes on my poor peasants  :twisted: I think this will not change until they fix battles or new game show up. Sorry  :(

WTF kalp u serious? I made 7 armies ready anc wanted ro do the first attack like 3 hours after the bug xD wanted to wipe sguards and then armin, would have been shit if u were marching in our territory while we were marching out to the forrest xD
Forests are very interesting places, who knows what is sitting there  :wink:
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: mrrdhardy on September 18, 2015, 04:07:33 pm
But remember BlackBird, this won't just be your war. You will have allies this time.
what you mean, blackbird has needed help for NA the entire invasion, if he didn't have NA mercs he wont have gotten as far as he did so it wasn't really an EU invasion more like NA vs Acre just saying.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: ForGO_of_Acre on September 18, 2015, 05:47:33 pm
Give me war. Give some drama. And give me an enemy who does something. And most importantly, get me a fair roster, and Im totally fine with everything, but I don't really want to fight with people who hate me and who'd give a shit about my orders in strat battles :D

Why would people listen to you? This is a never ending thing in crpg, no one gives 2 fucks about orders, using teamwork. Too many valor whores, the ones that can go out and 1v50 or so they think. The day people actually listen to a strat leader is the day I will be pope...irl that is.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 18, 2015, 06:54:44 pm
thats a weshouldservebeer mentality for ya...im one of the biggest tryhards ul meet...but i listen to orders, and fallow commands to the tee, its not me that single handily wins battles, its the group, the group is useless without solid commands, and the commander is pointless without solid soldiers that will fallow orders.

something kesh and i never understood about that mentality.

idc how much of a hero people think they are even Rohy and Knightmare cant take on an army by themselves.

having a good commander, is just as important as having people listen to commands, its frustrating knowing what to do, but seeing people doing their own thing.

the reason FCC was so successful, was not the nerdy tactical tryhard commands kesh gave, but the people that actually listened to him.

"whats bigger 5 armies or 1?"
"5"
"no, 1. one army. one army, one leader, one purpose"

the battles FCC lost are the battles that FCC had to rely heavily on mercs instead of clanmates and friends.
and not just FCC, TkoV Rob had a solid group of followers that listened to orders. his constant adaptation on the field would have been irrelevant if not for the soldiers that listened to his orders.

and i miss them both dearly.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Lt_Anders on September 18, 2015, 07:00:13 pm
Lol.

Take off your rose tinted glasses.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 19, 2015, 02:59:26 am
we absolutely had battles in NA when ppl really listened to me. Like the durquba attacks and all field battles. And if you want to know why people would listen to me, ask those ones who actually listen to me. Sometimes just everyone is lazy and does not give a fuck about tactics and what the commander is saying. But when they actually do, everone on his own notices that things go properly.

And plumbo, you're so damn right. If you're the best commander in the world, but noone gives a fuck about u, u're useless. If you are a dumb fucker who has an impressive voice and who got something that others don't have, something that ppl makes understanding you, u will fucking win unless you're a retard.

And what is most important, what like nobody of u NA guys understands, to be a good commander, u gotta train ur roster. in the first battles, nobody gave a fuck about me talking. Now, when Im like "shh" the whole ts is quiet and nobody would fucking interrupt me while Im talking. If u got something like that, u will be able to actually command a battle. If u're like the buddy of ya players and they don't see u as an person who should be respected (atleast during the battle) they won't give shits about u.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: CALAMARI on September 19, 2015, 03:34:09 am
The guy with the best Teamspeak voice should always command the battles; Kesh, Wes, and that fat MB guy got the best TS voices everyone else is weak as shit and should play support roles like Rhalzo "your doin great guys" or whatever he used to say (even if your feeding the main commands).
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Dutchydave on September 19, 2015, 04:00:25 am
I always liked Arowaine's voice and everyone always followed his orders.  8-)
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: CALAMARI on September 19, 2015, 04:07:00 am
What you guys really need to do is contact this guy for strat battles...

Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Havelle on September 19, 2015, 04:12:36 am
thats a weshouldservebeer mentality for ya...im one of the biggest tryhards ul meet...but i listen to orders, and fallow commands to the tee, its not me that single handily wins battles, its the group, the group is useless without solid commands, and the commander is pointless without solid soldiers that will fallow orders.

I always thought you were pretty punk rock, Plumbo, but I don't know about that anymore.

On a another note, if you're performing well, there's really no reason to listen to the commander. Like, you don't need battle dad, you're doing fine.

I hate battle dad.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 19, 2015, 05:03:05 am
I always liked Arowaine's voice and everyone always followed his orders.  8-)

Hands down my favorite commander to fight under. #bestbattledad

Shout-out to Aldo #2 battledad

Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: fallinup on September 19, 2015, 05:46:53 pm
What you guys really need to do is contact this guy for strat battles...


How much he want, he has pro tactics when wiping his ass.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Socks on September 19, 2015, 10:53:33 pm
esporters u forgot
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Thalion_Menelvagor on September 20, 2015, 09:33:21 am
I always thought you were pretty punk rock, Plumbo, but I don't know about that anymore.

On a another note, if you're performing well, there's really no reason to listen to the commander. Like, you don't need battle dad, you're doing fine.

I hate battle dad.

I think the point being made is that's it's just not about one person's KD. Reguardless of whether your KD is doing fine or not, if your in there fighting well with the team and helping the team accomplish its objectives, your not just helping your KD but everyone else.  It's  just  a difference in play style and mentality.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: njames89 on September 20, 2015, 09:20:04 pm
I do miss the gobblin battles. You know your commander is a real man when he orders the entire team to dance in front of the enemy castle.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Havelle on September 20, 2015, 11:29:55 pm
I think the point being made is that's it's just not about one person's KD. Reguardless of whether your KD is doing fine or not, if your in there fighting well with the team and helping the team accomplish its objectives, your not just helping your KD but everyone else.  It's  just  a difference in play style and mentality.

That's a nice way of looking at it, but the simple fact is that high performers win battles. Folks who go negative or even are really just meat puppets, filler to keep the top players from being overwhelmed.



Posted this in another thread, sums up my view on this topic.

There's really not much the engine allows in terms of tactics other than blobbing together, even if you can get everyone properly coordinated. Strat will always boil down to team deathmatch. The only commands that should be issued is telling people to group up, where to move to, what to target, and telling dumbasses with no awareness when they're overwhelmed and should fall back. That last one is the real problem when it comes to losing battles.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on September 21, 2015, 05:20:23 am
That's a nice way of looking at it, but the simple fact is that high performers win battles. Folks who go negative or even are really just meat puppets, filler to keep the top players from being overwhelmed.



Posted this in another thread, sums up my view on this topic.

Pretty much correct.

When I was a gayer nerd than I am now, I would have preferred a man going 3:1 (and not as some shit-dick arb even though those are useful) by not listening to a thing I say than a man going 1:1 heeding my commands like they'd result in a nice dick-tug after the battle.

The only downside to this is they can encourage less-skilled players to follow in their footsteps. They see homeboy pulverising faces and having a good ole' time, and they wanna do that, too! That's where the REAL nerd-herding comes in. Convincing the rank-and-file that they can't possibly even think of doing what some super high-quality merc can do.

A downright mediocre player CAN be extraordinarily useful in a strat battle, if they're in the specific roles of engineer (and you actually need people with a couple brain cells to rub together for this, not just some cunt throwing wood at other wood, fun as that sounds) or equipment box guard. Only time a forward spawn guard was really needed full-time was on the other side because crazy motherfuckers like Internet Explorer would spend 95 percent of his time raising nerds' blood pressure by fucking with the forward spawn and archers.

I wonder if I'd try and do any sort of strat stuff again if the population and demographics were very similar to my favorite parts of strat 4. As it stands, it certainly ain't worth it anymore. I had fun with it.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 21, 2015, 06:56:03 pm
TLDR: if u think killers are all that matter and organization and planning and tactics are irrelevant...you are probably a NA player..IE, DUMB AS FUCK.

no. no No NO! godammit u na fucking kids are soo fucking dumb and wrong all the fucking time , like seriously how can u be so fuckin--

oh hi Sandy! how are you? you gud? thats gud. we should drink sometime, whats times gud 4 u?

now that ive expressed my homoerotic love for sandy its time to deal with the rest of u...fucks

RIGHT: 2 kinds of strat chars, vets and noobs, for the educational purpose of this conversation we will refer to the two groups as killers and fodder, and yes both are EQUALLY important.

the objective is to kill more tickets than your enemy or drop flags, youd think you would want ONLY killers, you would be wrong.

i am a killer myself, but knowing how important fodder is, i keep my ears open and fallow orders accordingly...okay, maybe not exactly to the tee as i know wot to do to win now. ie, when people are asked to charge up stairs i typically hold stairs, as i know im much more useful getting massive kills then playing the role of fodder.

without the fodder however i never would have made it to the stairs in the first place...killers go through the breaches, made by fodder, killers flank the lines that are made by fodder, and fodder dont make these lines themselves...they are asked to make it by a commander who sees the situation and adjusts accordingly.

idc how fucking good u think u are, u are nothing without ur teammates and ur teamates are nothing without solid direction and orders...if i was that good i would charge breach alone...i dont cuz im not retarded, i wait for fodder to group up, and i get my kills AROUND the fodder.

at the end of the day, killers get the most kills ya...but they wouldnt get all those kills without the rest of the team setting them up.

this is where the great divide comes in mentality wise...if you have never fought for acre, give it a try. personally i found it confusing, multiple people giving multiple commands, most of the time not very sure of what they are commanding...it didnt matter how good of a killer i was, the commanders were directing the fodder all over the place, and i cannot fight 1vs5's and win everytime. i need some fodder with me. sure u can go solo and catch people unaware and get 12 kills from a good flank run....u wouldnt have caught those people unaware if they werent distracted by the fodder.

this is why i feel so bad for EU \ Blackbird to have to come here. i remember him laughing his ass off in TS, simply cuz i stopped talking over him and said "sorry go ahead" it was maybe thee first time someone stopped talking over him to let him speak...thats how bad his NA mercs were at the start.

he may not remember but i knew him well before he came to NA...i fought for him multiple times defending sieges against the greys.

if u guys think organization, tactics, planning and fallowing orders is pointless, THAN CLEARLY U HAVE NEVER FOUGHT THE GREYS\DRZ

they charge up as one group, 2 groups break off and attack the back and side, while one stays and builds. by the time the back is safe, the group going back is now going on the other side, and the group that was on the side, is now going front, by the time defenders deal with them, the attackers are already going up ladders in another spot...end result is u are so distracted by constantly having to shift players over to the left or back..or wherever they are needed...so distracted you didnt even notice siege tower had gone up...now u are desperately trying to get a mass group to deal with tower...all the while they are pouring up the now undefended back or side. as u had to pull troops from those spots to deal with tower...lets say u clear tower...then then u have to clear back and sides again...all the while they are working on another tower.

CONSTANT ADAPTATION BY BOTH SIDES. thats how the fuck it should be played, why MOST EU players get and understand this...while only a handful of NA ones do, ill never understand.

( in na one groups goes...and then just fucking sits there, u have maybe a handful of volunteers go around back, always the same place...lol how can u build anything? your enemies are shooting the shit outta u camping at the front, and waiting for u at the exact same spot u laddered up last time...its soo dumb...y, fucking tell me y NA has to be so dumb? )
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 21, 2015, 07:11:51 pm
do I have to read that?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: bruttus on September 21, 2015, 07:52:20 pm
TLDR: if u think killers are all that matter and organization and planning and tactics are irrelevant...you are probably a NA player..IE, DUMB AS FUCK.

no. no No NO! godammit u na fucking kids are soo fucking dumb and wrong all the fucking time , like seriously how can u be so fuckin--

oh hi Sandy! how are you? you gud? thats gud. we should drink sometime, whats times gud 4 u?

now that ive expressed my homoerotic love for sandy its time to deal with the rest of u...fucks

RIGHT: 2 kinds of strat chars, vets and noobs, for the educational purpose of this conversation we will refer to the two groups as killers and fodder, and yes both are EQUALLY important.

the objective is to kill more tickets than your enemy or drop flags, youd think you would want ONLY killers, you would be wrong.

i am a killer myself, but knowing how important fodder is, i keep my ears open and fallow orders accordingly...okay, maybe not exactly to the tee as i know wot to do to win now. ie, when people are asked to charge up stairs i typically hold stairs, as i know im much more useful getting massive kills then playing the role of fodder.

without the fodder however i never would have made it to the stairs in the first place...killers go through the breaches, made by fodder, killers flank the lines that are made by fodder, and fodder dont make these lines themselves...they are asked to make it by a commander who sees the situation and adjusts accordingly.

idc how fucking good u think u are, u are nothing without ur teammates and ur teamates are nothing without solid direction and orders...if i was that good i would charge breach alone...i dont cuz im not retarded, i wait for fodder to group up, and i get my kills AROUND the fodder.

at the end of the day, killers get the most kills ya...but they wouldnt get all those kills without the rest of the team setting them up.

this is where the great divide comes in mentality wise...if you have never fought for acre, give it a try. personally i found it confusing, multiple people giving multiple commands, most of the time not very sure of what they are commanding...it didnt matter how good of a killer i was, the commanders were directing the fodder all over the place, and i cannot fight 1vs5's and win everytime. i need some fodder with me. sure u can go solo and catch people unaware and get 12 kills from a good flank run....u wouldnt have caught those people unaware if they werent distracted by the fodder.

this is why i feel so bad for EU \ Blackbird to have to come here. i remember him laughing his ass off in TS, simply cuz i stopped talking over him and said "sorry go ahead" it was maybe thee first time someone stopped talking over him to let him speak...thats how bad his NA mercs were at the start.

he may not remember but i knew him well before he came to NA...i fought for him multiple times defending sieges against the greys.

if u guys think organization, tactics, planning and fallowing orders is pointless, THAN CLEARLY U HAVE NEVER FOUGHT THE GREYS\DRZ

they charge up as one group, 2 groups break off and attack the back and side, while one stays and builds. by the time the back is safe, the group going back is now going on the other side, and the group that was on the side, is now going front, by the time defenders deal with them, the attackers are already going up ladders in another spot...end result is u are so distracted by constantly having to shift players over to the left or back..or wherever they are needed...so distracted you didnt even notice siege tower had gone up...now u are desperately trying to get a mass group to deal with tower...all the while they are pouring up the now undefended back or side. as u had to pull troops from those spots to deal with tower...lets say u clear tower...then then u have to clear back and sides again...all the while they are working on another tower.

CONSTANT ADAPTATION BY BOTH SIDES. thats how the fuck it should be played, why MOST EU players get and understand this...while only a handful of NA ones do, ill never understand.

( in na one groups goes...and then just fucking sits there, u have maybe a handful of volunteers go around back, always the same place...lol how can u build anything? your enemies are shooting the shit outta u camping at the front, and waiting for u at the exact same spot u laddered up last time...its soo dumb...y, fucking tell me y NA has to be so dumb? )

On this I have to agree with you.
But if I may say something.
In the past strat's versions, EU Always attacked NA.
NA pushed after a though war, EU back to his borders.


But I have to agree with you on this
Many great Commanders left strat, some came back, like Kesh, others not.
So its hard to get the same loyalty as excample Kesh, to command a strat battle/siege

With Acre, I have understand that sometimes the person that is leading the army, is also the person that commands the strat fight, not Always, but it happens.
You never know that there is a new Kesh under the new people.

But also, I don't know how it is in EU, but when I was in HoC, we where famoust about the shieldwall. That was reputation that many NA clans held in regard
When they saw an HoC shieldwall, the enemy knew that it would be a hard fight.
Then you had clans that specialized in in Cav, if i'm not wrong, that was the Bridgeburners in the past.
Other clans where specialised in infantry tactics or ranged.
That was the old NA, the New NA, doesn't has that, they just charge in, in the hope to get kills.
The only clan that I see to do these things, are the Godfreys. They try to bring in the shieldwall, mostly they faill, but they keep trying, and I respect that.

But that is mine homble opinion.
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: BlackxBird on September 21, 2015, 08:11:18 pm
do I have to read that?
Title: Re: Attention All Strat Factions:
Post by: StonedSteel on September 21, 2015, 11:32:37 pm
do I have to read that?

FFS yes, goddamn lazy fucking beer guzzling mutherfucker, ffs take 2 mins out of ur life to do something other than eating sausage and drinking beer, i did my part and said good honest things about u lad, now do ur part and fucking read the shit.


also...how come you cant get sauerkraut in the summer? ...like, i fucking expected it to be yr rnd, but noooo, u fuckers made one of your most infamous creations fucking seasonal. damn

i like your highways though, murica could learn a thing or two from the autobahn.
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Post by: BlackxBird on September 21, 2015, 11:36:46 pm
well, just saying to make u jelaous :D

The first time I drove 200 km/h was with 16 :D

240 with 18 :D
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Post by: StonedSteel on September 21, 2015, 11:40:15 pm
well, just saying to make u jelaous :D

The first time I drove 200 km/h was with 16 :D

240 with 18 :D

...DAMN

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Post by: BlackxBird on September 21, 2015, 11:43:38 pm
lol. I ate it 2 days ago :o

Btw Plumbo, were u there when we got fucked by DRZ like 5 sieges in a row and my  unbeatable gay motherfucking badass tactic made us win the siege every time? :D
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Post by: Havelle on September 21, 2015, 11:52:14 pm
That's all well and good, but a good player doesn't take on 50 dudes with his amazing blocking skills because that's fucking stupid. Technical skill is only half the battle. A common misconception(really a defense mechanism) made by bad players is that heroes are lone wolves who don't play with the team, when in fact, they play with the team much better the average player. Most top players are expert team players.

A team of 100% killers would outplay any team that is <100% killers. Assuming all killers are equally skilled in this case. Too many hypotheticals, though, what I'm trying to say is that fodder doesn't win battles. I'd rather 2 killers watching my back than 2 fodder.

Personally, I don't care about tactics or being commanded or any of that shit. I want to sit in my own TS and banter with my friends.
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Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 21, 2015, 11:58:14 pm
That's all well and good, but a good player doesn't take on 50 dudes with his amazing blocking skills because that's fucking stupid. Technical skill is only half the battle. A common misconception(really a defense mechanism) made by bad players is that heroes are lone wolves who don't play with the team, when in fact, they play with the team much better the average player. Most top players are expert team players.

A team of 100% killers would outplay any team that is <100% killers. Assuming all killers are equally skilled in this case. Too many hypotheticals, though, what I'm trying to say is that fodder doesn't win battles. I'd rather 2 killers watching my back than 2 fodder.

Personally, I don't care about tactics or being commanded or any of that shit. I want to sit in my own TS and banter with my friends.

TBH the Frisitan guys are good enough(in skill and battle awareness) where you dont even need to be in the same TS and still contribute greatly towards the battle. Most(read: all) other groups cant do that
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Post by: Havelle on September 21, 2015, 11:59:32 pm
I got a little off track

My point is that if you're KD is good, you are playing smart, thus you don't need to be ordered around. These players can make good inferences on where to be and where not to be on their own.
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Post by: StonedSteel on September 22, 2015, 01:01:16 am
i get that and i feel that, cuz there are certain commanders i dont really listen to and i do my own thing, which works out better as i dont agree with certain tactics.

see, this is where the Super Nerd comes in, the lad that grabs the rest of the lame homo's in battle by the balls and tells em wtf is up. there are just certain ( there was*) players that know wtf is up and wtf to do and when, i found myself commanding more and more of other peoples battles as i know now wtf works and what doesnt and when to do certain things

id much rather have someone else do this though, i mean i shouldnt even say shit, it aint my battles, i guess by now i just expect all commanders to be on the same lvl, and they arnt.

again i disagree that killers are the most important, it will always be commanders in my mind, killers can get good kds, commanders can end battles in an instant, one solid command and if everyone does it, right then and there, boom, flags droped game over, you can argue that its the killers that bring the timers up to make flag caps possible, but at the end of the day its commanders who notice the things that will end battles instantly.

idc if you disagree, but bale, kesh, rob, require? ( MB ) etc etc, each of these people i put killing aside and player the role of fodder, because i want to win, and they fucking know how and i trust them to make the right call...you can have more mercs, better gear, a terrain\positional advantage, and still lose badly if your people arnt listening or working together.

there is simply not enough to be said about commanders. tbh ill never understand the hate kesh got, that guy sacrificed alot of his free time to make shit fun for others. it takes time to make rosters, roll call, make sure people are there, make sure all the gear is there, to have a plan in mind B4 the battle starts...all this takes time, so the rest of us dont have to, and we get to go and kill shit...the fucking least we could do is listen to commands, ive only done like 2-3 battles and it fucking sucks, you gotta make sure shit ( THE RIGHT SHIT ) is being built, make sure people are going the right way and doing the right thing, at the fucking end of it all, battles like half done and u havent killed shit yet cuz your busy making sure other people are doing what they should be \ getting shit built

it fucking sucks, is thee most frustrating \ hardest task in the game...and yeah, easily thee most important

now take a fucking second and stop drooling over kd whores and give the fucking commanders the respect they fucking deserve.

*drops mic*


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Post by: njames89 on September 22, 2015, 01:01:40 am
well, just saying to make u jelaous :D

The first time I drove 200 km/h was with 16 :D

240 with 18 :D

I've driven 190 in a ford taurus lol. It was making some disturbing noises. Oh the things we do when we are young...
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Post by: StonedSteel on September 22, 2015, 01:54:58 am
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Post by: njames89 on September 22, 2015, 01:59:03 am
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Post by: BlackxBird on September 22, 2015, 02:46:52 pm
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Plumbo, people nowadays don't even give a single fuck about commands. If you're a good commander, u can turn the battle by just being on the battlefield and fight. For sure talking is important, but actually the position of the forward spawn and ur reaction on the placement of the enemies forward spawn is the main reason for winning/loosing a battle.

 Earlier in WFAS (kinda a mod of warband) we did not even have ts. Still my commands ingame, by simply writing some simple orders made me known as the best commander in the german community (which had like 20 clans). We fucking won the first 18 clanwars :D. Later on I bet with a new clan every single other clan in the game. Then I left that clan and they lost about 10 wars without winning even one :D What is the next thing. U gotta give ur mercs the right feeling. If u make them feel like we gonna loose this, some will be motivated, some will be like fuck this, if we don't win why would I fight. Like those last minutes fights, were u're about to flagcap the enemy and almost did it, there HAS to be someone screaming "OMG WE GONNA DO IT, KEEP PUSHING THEM, SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWNRAPE"
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Post by: BlackxBird on September 22, 2015, 02:50:43 pm
I've driven 190 in a ford taurus lol. It was making some disturbing noises. Oh the things we do when we are young...

well, on german "autobahnen" there is no speed limit. I was already driving 300 (but not on my own, my uncle is rich as fuck and he had a op car)
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Post by: Kadeth on September 23, 2015, 03:23:22 am
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