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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: PoisonedTail on July 19, 2015, 05:45:00 am
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A severe majority of the Crpg community uses heavy armor simply because it is the most viable option. Sure with light/medium armor you can deal more damage and run faster but these small stat bonuses are a hefty tradeoff for massive defense buffs. Why run a little faster when you can withstand 3 or 4 more hits in battle? The risk of light/med armor does not pay off in the end. After the "revival" patch, many players switched to high agility builds. Since the devs did not raise any of the weapon or armor difficulty, many of these agi crutches can run around in plate armor which was meant for high strength builds. I suggest raising the strength difficulty on most heavy armors. Since most of the community plays high agi builds, players will be forced to downgrade to some squishier armor. What is everyone's thought on heavy armor? I know since 90% of you use it, this post will be mostly downvoted.
Edit: I forgot to mention that upkeep nowadays is virtually nonexistent. I have a friend who just started Crpg. He immediately bought all plate armor with a 13k gold sword. With all this, he still makes a gold profit.
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and wtf u know about playing heavy inf, God plz i wont even f**** start this conversation due to ban, just put this topic to chamber of tears with this dokney :evil:
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I think heavy armor is too weak tbh.
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Really? :shock:
HEAVY ARMOR IS TOO OP?!
ARE U FUCKING KIDDING ME?!
So simply:
When u play with really heavy armor, so plate, u do less dmg cuz of the wpf reduction and you swing even slower.
Enemies don´t really glance at all unless u abuze ur footwork to make them, but ordinary u can get killed by a short sword.
Atm everybody has tons of agi, so if you´re tanky u can´t run away and that´s atm the most important thing on EU 1
You don´t take as many hits as you should if you see people without armor still standing after 2 sometimes 3 hits.
Heavy armor op? no. fu.
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The defense of heavy armor generally does not make up for the loss of movement speed; certainly not with all the AGI about. If anything it's under-powered.
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I have ~70 body armor and I get 2-3 hit by the majority of players. Heavy armor needs a buff if anything. Also they did adjust plate armor difficulties and a bunch of weapons difficulties after the POD
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Plate is incredibly strong, i use it nearly all the time too since i left my path of agility. Cant really call it OP though, but its definitely way better than the other choices as far as my playstyle goes.
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The balance seems to be about spot on right now between the medium and heavy armors. Both have their uses for different builds.
Light armor has been kinda garbage for a while now since the soak/reduce changes. Whenever I use my trusty Steppe Armor I constantly get instahit for 0 damage, cancelling my attacks... Other than that the balance is better now that it has ever been, San, Tydeus (?) and co did good job with the recent changes.
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The battle servers aren´t about teamfights.
They are about fights like 2 vs 6. Many of them.
Well I can actually handle 3 players who are worse than me when I´m playing in my black gothic plate with my 12 agi, but it´s fucking hard to not gekt rekt cuz u only need one retarded swing, one wrong step or getting a knock down and u´re dead, no matter how many hits u can tank.
I tried like all builds with all types of armors. Right now I´m trying what I played ages ago, so a balanced build with my kuyak and actually it´s better than plate and agi, cuz u are fucking fast and u deal ridiculously much dmg, well u die most of the time after the 3rd hit, maybe with some good footwork u can tank 4. Compared to my old build this is shit cuz I tanked most of the time more than 5 hits.
But at all for every build but a str build I can only recomment medium armor - 13 - 20 weight - cuz the reductions when you play plate with a balanced/light str build are way to hard to handle them
Just saying, with my 33 12 and black gothic plate I had a kd of 2,7 (played mostly siege, so after 208 mio I had only 2k kills on battle xD) and now with my 24 24 and medium armor I got 3,5.
But Heskey I gotta agree there, in a complete teamfight plate wins allways!
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I think heavy armor is too weak tbh.
Explain why you think it is so "up". I love when blank statements with no backup are upvoted. Shows how intelligent this community is. Also, if you feel heavy armor is so "up", why does the vast majority of the community use it?
I have ~70 body armor and I get 2-3 hit by the majority of players. Heavy armor needs a buff if anything
I highly doubt you get 2 hit by most players. If you are so unhappy with heavy armor why don't you switch?
and wtf u know about playing heavy inf, God plz i wont even f**** start this conversation due to ban, just put this topic to chamber of tears with this dokney :evil:
I don't understand your grammar.
The defense of heavy armor generally does not make up for the loss of movement speed; certainly not with all the AGI about. If anything it's under-powered.
Like I said, if it apparently is so "unplayable", why do you continue to use it?
Just saying, with my 33 12 and black gothic plate I had a kd of 2,7 (played mostly siege, so after 208 mio I had only 2k kills on battle xD) and now with my 24 24 and medium armor I got 3,5.
Notice something different between those builds? Your 2.7 kd build used a total of 45 attribute points. Your 3.5 kd build has a combined 48 attribute points. If you had a 36 12 build, it would be likely you would have a 3.5 kd as well.
The speed and damage boosts are small on light/med armor. A player wearing heavy armor with the same build as a medium armor wearer will barely run slower. The damage bonus deals about 3 extra damage. Most builds at 34 will have 60 hit points. Hmm a 5% damage bonus and a tiny more movement speed. Is that worth trading the extra 3 or 4 hits you can take with heavy armor? Common sense tells me no. I know every negative thing I say about heavy armor will not be taken lightly. Internet warriors are too ignorant to open their eyes.
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that is a shit suggestion i hope you die irl
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I don't really see any problem if the most expensive gear is a little better than the rest.
I never understand why so many people want to ballance the cheap gear with the expencive one. whats the use of gold than?
If you think heavy armour is OP just use it and enjoy. 8-)
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This thread is fucking retarded, fuck you for your shit suggestions and shit opinion. Get good at the game and maybe you can get tampax plus instead of tampax economy
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This thread is fucking retarded, fuck you for your shit suggestions and shit opinion. Get good at the game and maybe you can get tampax plus instead of tampax economy
No need to curse at someone because of an opinion I have with a video game. If you get that angry over a virtual game you have some issues with your life. Also telling me to "get good" without watching me play makes me laugh.
I will just leave this here
http://gyazo.com/dac55e51446dc865065b8dc09d196e71
^ I achieved that rating using heavy armor.
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I've seen you play, you suck. You probably signed up for battles against peasants multiple times to get that performance rating. If I get angry over a virtual video game, that's nothing to be ashamed of, plenty of people get mad at virtual things i.e. Flappy Bird. I even get mad if a youtube video buffers for two seconds. Issues with my life? Yeah sure, everyone has issues, congrats to you for pointing it out, I feel so much more motivated to fix my life and tell everyone about it. Laughing? Good, the game is all about entertainment. I find entertainment when I get mad because of "issues with your life". Shit is a lot better than playing Runescape or agar.io
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This armor set with a 30/15 build allowed me to achieve a 4.0:1 KDR after a few days of play.
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I don't think it's too strong. You definitely pay for what you get. We shouldn't fuck with it.
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Like I said, if it apparently is so "unplayable", why do you continue to use it?
I'm pretty sure that I never said that heavy armor was unplayable. It's just not worth it from a purely performance-based standpoint. The reason I sometimes wear heavy armor is solely because I like the look of the heraldic transitional set...that's why I 'loomed that set in the first place. That doesn't change the fact that I perform better in my much lighter kuyak set though.
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I will just leave this here
http://gyazo.com/dac55e51446dc865065b8dc09d196e71
^ I achieved that rating using heavy armor.
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who dafuq cares about the performance? I´m like never playing when there is a strat battle, I´m allways commanding and building stuff, I´m way more effective than everybody with a performance of 10 and so are like all my commander friends.
Just saying, whoever knows Tschinken knows that there is no forward spawn safe from him.
I have no idea how he is able to do it, but tell him which forward spawn he should destroy and after 5-10 minutes it´s down, I think u greys remember that in Ichamur? :D
Oh and btw as it seems PoisonedTail u have no idea how this game works. If you are str build u need IF. Which means you will be running and hitting faster when you´re in heavy armor.
So a 36 12 would be totally useless due the fact that there will be too less IF in it. You would be slower than earlier, doing probably not really more dmg and you would have way less HP. Fucking play some time before QQing in the forum about everything. If you can´t handle the new things in this mod, fucking learn it.
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So making a simple suggestion about a virtual game on a computer will result in derogatory terms and death threats completely non related to the topic. Shows how mature this community is.
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So making a simple suggestion about a virtual game on a computer will result in derogatory terms and death threats completely non related to the topic. Shows how mature this community is.
Putting your opinion anywhere, will result in infinite derogatory terms and death threats.
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Welcome to cRPG
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I will just leave this here
http://gyazo.com/dac55e51446dc865065b8dc09d196e71
^ I achieved that rating using heavy armor.
What has this to do with armour?
Back when Strat was actually being played actively all I used was light shit and had 10 performance.
Heavy armour is good the way it works. It might be a bit more expensive, since we all are getting a buttload of gold now after the recent patch, but it is exactly what is says on the tin (pun intented)
You glance often against it, and it slows you down quite a bit. Dunno why you should be able to cut through it like butter if you use a pair of scissors. It is >heavy< armour after all.
I hate fighting tincans cause I glance way too often (even more now with that stupid lag) but that is exactly what it should be used for. Reflecting hits.
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*Tagora begins ft7 with Tim_The_Enchanter*
*Tagora says the only thing he enchants is cock* (rekt)
*Tim puts on heavier armor*
*Tagora kills him again, in 2 hits.*
*Tagora makes a dank insult saying "same number of hits to kill him lol"*
Score - Tagora:4 Tim:2
*Tim_The_Enchanter leaves the server*
gg kid stfu get gud
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poisend, you arent getting hate because of your suggestion or opinion (which kinda sucks too, but thats ok), but because of you acting smug. If you fail to see how or where you are doing so, you might also pack some hate for being a dip.
that perception comes to me only by reading your post, I have know idea who you are. my post is meant as an opportunity of self reflection for you and not as an insult.
: )
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I always notice a marked drop in performance when I equip my +3 gothic plate with bevor over whatever "normal" heavy armor I'm using (as in, 20-24 weight range)
And I can still get 3 shot by a bec. Heavy armor got severely nerfed as I understand it - used to be you HAD to have a blunt/pierce weapon to even do damage to it. Not the case anymore.
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I forgot to mention that upkeep nowadays is virtually nonexistent. I have a friend who just started Crpg. He immediately bought all plate armor with a 13k gold sword. With all this, he still makes a gold profit.
Your friend probably has beginner's luck and wins most rounds he plays on in battle, hence the low upkeep.
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wait till he sees the 12/33 quarter staff builds
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I always notice a marked drop in performance when I equip my +3 gothic plate with bevor over whatever "normal" heavy armor I'm using (as in, 20-24 weight range)
And I can still get 3 shot by a bec. Heavy armor got severely nerfed as I understand it - used to be you HAD to have a blunt/pierce weapon to even do damage to it. Not the case anymore.
This is not how I remember it. What was changed ages ago was the amount of soak and reduce armor gives. Soak was decreased so even cut weapons can at least deal some damage on a good hit and not randomly bounce. In compensation reduce was increased so the amount of damage is smaller that gets through. Aim was to have overall the same amount of protection just with less random bounces. Furthermore part of the randomness itself in raw damage calc was reduced by cmp iirc. Maybe there had been further changes but I don't remember them or those were past my time.