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Title: Make something about balance.
Post by: Algarn on July 12, 2015, 03:06:14 pm
The balance that went away last patch was flawed, but this reminded me why the old one was fucking bad.

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Being in both teams makes me feel bad, one is FULL (literally) of tryhards, the other one is with randoms that just want to play and chill out. The population went from 40/45 to 30. If anyone is still motivated to work on autobalance, it'd be great to know.

Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Habi on July 12, 2015, 03:07:55 pm
ÖPS!
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Kalam on July 12, 2015, 03:22:05 pm
Heh, EU. Over on our side, it's usually doom for the clan when there's that sort of banner stack now. At least from my limited view.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Algarn on July 12, 2015, 03:26:46 pm
Quote from: Kalam on July 12, 2015, 03:22:05 pm
Heh, EU. Over on our side, it's usually doom for the clan when there's that sort of banner stack now. At least from my limited view.

When the clan's members crutch on literally everything they can, and put themselves together just for the purpose of destroying and spoiling the fun for others, you get that situation, where people simply leave the server.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 12, 2015, 03:53:10 pm
Quote from: Algarn on July 12, 2015, 03:26:46 pm
When the clan's members crutch on literally everything they can, and put themselves together just for the purpose of destroying and spoiling the fun for others, you get that situation, where people simply leave the server.

Im quite sure mercs have done similar things.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: DaveUKR on July 12, 2015, 04:10:40 pm
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on July 12, 2015, 03:53:10 pm
Im quite sure mercs have done similar things.

Times when every second merc was an admin are gone. You're 4+ years late with your hate.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Sagar on July 12, 2015, 04:19:22 pm
It can be done in one way only - remove banner balance, and make it kill/rank balance.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: karasu on July 12, 2015, 04:40:44 pm
Well, there's always the option of every single one of the active players of the mod (all 12 of them) to play under the same flag, pick a native one, problem solved.


Mod is pretty much defunct anyway. Not like you can kill what is already dead, or which has no life (in the clanstacking users case (yeah vanguard dicks included)).

Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Kalp on July 12, 2015, 04:54:33 pm
You are always dissatisfied. Constant changes, nerfs, buffs, nerfs, balance this, balance that omfg. That's sick, why you can't just play the game ?

Recently in speedway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_speedway) someone [name is not important here] won the individual championship of Poland (one day finals) by winning only one single heat [heat=race]out of seven, he was first only in final heat. After that many people complained about the rules of competition. Then one person immediately pointed out the flaws of other possible sets of rules.

So each kind of balance has advantages and disadvantages and perfect is the enemy of good.

Quote from: Sagar on July 12, 2015, 04:19:22 pm
It can be done in one way only - remove banner balance, and make it kill/rank balance.
This is probably the best solution at current stage of cRPG, but as a member of the clan I don't want to fight versus my clan-mates  :P
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Akronus97 on July 12, 2015, 05:14:43 pm
Quote from: Kalp on July 12, 2015, 04:54:33 pm
You are always dissatisfied. Constant changes, nerfs, buffs, nerfs, balance this, balance that omfg. That's sick, why you can't just play the game ?

Maybe because of the obvious problems (not only balance)? Obviously a perfect balance is impossible, creating a good one isn't. Also, we do play the game and have fun, but why can't we criticise it if there are issues?
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Richyy on July 12, 2015, 05:15:38 pm
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on July 12, 2015, 03:53:10 pm
Im quite sure mercs have done similar things.

*cough* nords and byz merge *cough*
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: darmaster on July 12, 2015, 05:19:18 pm
Yesterday we were complaining about krems being retards, now we're complaining about these amox being tryhards; while in the first case people were actually breaking the rules other than other people's balls in order  to enjoy their twisted way of "fun", this time you just can't complain for a side being too good lol; I used to enjoy facing a decent side and having to focus and try to win a match, that's the fun side of this game, at least for me, I don't get what is fun for you guys anymore, or maybe you just got bored of the game :/ I mean for me as karasu said, this game is totally dead, I get sick if I play it, but srsly complaining about some guys being decent at it it's nonesens imo :l not to mention the random panos ban  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 12, 2015, 07:55:02 pm
Quote from: Richyy on July 12, 2015, 05:15:38 pm
*cough* nords and byz merge *cough*

Basically decreased our activity tbh. But byz has done similar things, allthough the servers were plenty more populated at the time, so it looked prettier.


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Dude youre so funny XD
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 12, 2015, 08:15:51 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on July 12, 2015, 08:13:01 pm
Hey, when the response to 'this is an issue now' is 'your clan did bad things in the past' you know you're in for a quality and progressive discussion.

Hahaha xD
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Dooz on July 12, 2015, 08:21:12 pm
i heard the bilderbergs were stack spamming world gubbermints, lmk
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 12, 2015, 08:25:11 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on July 12, 2015, 08:17:13 pm
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XD


Quote from: DaveUKR on July 12, 2015, 04:10:40 pm
Times when every second merc was an admin are gone. You're 4+ years late with your hate.

Actually im talking about around 1½ years ago when the population was usually around 60 people at night, and mercs would often come out at night to make a huge bannerstack and kill the server population. Never at day when there could be other stacks playing, but late night which was kind of annoying. Many rage quits were had.

This has been an issue for a long time, but bannerstacking to the extend of destroying the server never really stick for longer than a couple of weeks. So its never felt like a big problem in the long run. The other balance we had now didnt help, what it did was to slowly put all the bannerstackers on a team with even mor players, and put randomers on the team with less players. If it was fiddled with it could probably become great, but it wasnt amazing most of the time. I did have some games where us vanguards got balanced to a team with less players, and still won. Was pretty fun, but most of the time we would just keep getting balanced on the big team and win even easier.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: darmaster on July 12, 2015, 10:39:12 pm
Was in mercs in their second "renaissance" and we never joined together to kill server population, simply put people either went to school or worked during the day, so at night was the only time we were all together (tony muffin dave mezzo etc).
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Man of Steel on July 12, 2015, 10:59:41 pm
I think removing banner balance is the only way to get this stack off, but imo, i rather play in one team with my friends against a big clan stack with max x3 multi then fighting against my friends. We should open another big clan with active crpg players to kill all these tryhards :P
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 12, 2015, 11:01:02 pm
Quote from: Algarn on July 12, 2015, 03:06:14 pm
The balance that went away last patch was flawed, but this reminded me why the old one was fucking bad.

Being in both teams makes me feel bad, one is FULL (literally) of tryhards, the other one is with randoms that just want to play and chill out. The population went from 40/45 to 30. If anyone is still motivated to work on autobalance, it'd be great to know.

Welcome to the club. Been screaming my guts out about this and I was only one of the many who did so. The silly bannerstacking never got changed. It was alright in the olden days when one juggernaut would balance the other. But for a long while, it has been utter shit.

Partystompers love to shit on others, especially when there is nobody to turn the tide.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 12, 2015, 11:03:45 pm
Removing banner balance would make so many people brocode, it'd be so inconsistent fighting anything because teammates will just sit and watch half the time to let their mates duel. Wouldnt work, so fuck that. Other than the brocoding it would spawn, i wouldnt be against it, i flip off my banner from time to time to get a good killing on clannies.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Lennu on July 12, 2015, 11:31:00 pm
AmoX are just 3 years behind the other clans, so now they'll have to do it alone.  :lol:


Back in the days when there were 80+ people online, playing in a clanstack of ~10 was freaking epic. You weren't the major force in the battlefield. More like your stack would have to navigate it's way around. Falling back when facing the 30+ mob of enemies, or clashing against the Grey stack on the enemy team was the greatest fun I've had in this game.


Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on July 12, 2015, 11:38:14 pm
Quote from: Lennu on July 12, 2015, 11:31:00 pm
AmoX are just 3 years behind the other clans, so now they'll have to do it alone notorious tryhardies stacking and tryharding under a different name and banner.

There, fixed it for you
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 13, 2015, 08:17:25 am
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on July 13, 2015, 12:09:34 am
They already brocode those Amox guys i've noticed will refuse to help someone fighting one of their clanmates (not just end of match duels).

Also, i thought you were in the 'ban all brocoders' camp so if banner balance is removed and they brocode, thank goodness we have Gravoth the anti-brocoder here to ban them for breaking the rules. Unless of course you're somehow biased, but i cant imagine that.

XD got me there LOL
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Richyy on July 13, 2015, 11:21:46 am
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on July 13, 2015, 08:17:25 am
XD got me there LOL

stop XDing, plz, stahp
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: jtobiasm on July 13, 2015, 11:41:15 am
I don't see the problem.
Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Arthur_ on July 13, 2015, 11:50:47 am
I'd kill the crutch if i was there.

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Title: Re: Make something about balance.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 13, 2015, 01:20:27 pm
Atleast they are basically all melee right? Its unfortunate that playing together can be so broken because it is a lot of fun. I will try to be active and fight against the stack, might prove to be a fun challenge.  And im freshly respecced thrower so 2h target dummies might quit before i do.