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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Palurgee on July 01, 2015, 01:56:23 am

Title: Actual pavises
Post by: Palurgee on July 01, 2015, 01:56:23 am
Proposal for a new item.

The pavise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavise)) was used by medieval crossbowmen and archers to provide cover while they reloaded or drew their bolts/arrows. It would be placed on the ground and held in place by a wooden or metal rod.

In game we have the "Long Pavise Shield", but being a shield, it does not represent actual pavises, as it cannot be deployed.

My suggestion is to add a new item based on the Siege Shield, but with the following differences:

- Model of the Long Pavise Shield, but scaled to be wider and taller (not by much)
- Hitbox accordingly smaller than the Siege Shield
- Occupies only 1 slot, instead of 2
- Price slightly raised
- (Optional but would be sick) a Heraldic Pavise Shield
- Weight slightly lowered

This would make archers and crossbowmen more historically accurate should they choose to use the pavise. It would also expand the role of archers during sieges, where archers on the offensive side are markedly less effective since there is very little cover compared to the defending archers. Additionally, it would expand the utility of equipment during regular Battle, Siege, and Defend the Virgin modes, by giving archers a means of defending themselves from enemy projectiles. Finally, pavisiers would be more of a team utility by potentially providing cover and defenses for both themselves and their fellow infantry.

Note: I know there is a lot of hate for range right now, but the implementation of this shield is NOT a buff for archers. First of all, it requires 1 slot, which means that a pavisier would be limited to using the 0-slot weapons. This would also reduce the max ammuntion available to heavy archers (longbows/arbs) by 50%. Second, it inherently reduces the effectiveness of ranged enemies, as it is a shield. The pavise would benefit the wielder and the teammates of the wielder by giving everyone additional protection from archers.
Title: Re: Actual pavises
Post by: POOPHAMMER on July 01, 2015, 02:02:31 am
Quote from: Palurgee on July 01, 2015, 01:56:23 am

Note: I know there is a lot of hate for range right now, but the implementation of this shield is NOT a buff for archers. First of all, it requires 1 slot, which means that a pavisier would be limited to using the 0-slot weapons. This would also reduce the max ammuntion available to heavy archers (longbows/arbs) by 50%. Second, it inherently reduces the effectiveness of ranged enemies, as it is a shield. The pavise would benefit the wielder and the teammates of the wielder by giving everyone additional protection from archers.

I have seen plenty of 1h/shield xbow users and sometimes even archers. Maybe making it 2 slots to restrict the type of xbow/bolts/melee weapon they can bring but to make something like this only 1 slot would just be silly.
Title: Re: Actual pavises
Post by: Palurgee on July 01, 2015, 02:04:13 am
Quote from: POOPHAMMER on July 01, 2015, 02:02:31 am
I have seen plenty of 1h/shield xbow users and sometimes even archers. Maybe making it 2 slots to restrict the type of xbow/bolts/melee weapon they can bring but to make something like this only 1 slot would just be silly.

No, because the current Siege Shield is 2 slots. The pavise needs to have an infantry benefit over the siege shield. And it is entirely unlike a regular off-hand shield, since it is deployed, meaning a pavisier doesn't need shield skill. Making it one slot is still heavily restrictive to archers.
Title: Re: Actual pavises
Post by: Alec on July 01, 2015, 02:11:27 am
Quote from: Palurgee on July 01, 2015, 01:56:23 am
Proposal for a new item.

The pavise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavise)) was used by medieval crossbowmen and archers to provide cover while they reloaded or drew their bolts/arrows. It would be placed on the ground and held in place by a wooden or metal rod.

In game we have the "Long Pavise Shield", but being a shield, it does not represent actual pavises, as it cannot be deployed.

My suggestion is to add a new item based on the Siege Shield, but with the following differences:

- Model of the Long Pavise Shield, but scaled to be wider and taller (not by much)
- Hitbox accordingly smaller than the Siege Shield
- Occupies only 1 slot, instead of 2
- Price slightly raised
- (Optional but would be sick) a Heraldic Pavise Shield
- Weight slightly lowered

This would make archers and crossbowmen more historically accurate should they choose to use the pavise. It would also expand the role of archers during sieges, where archers on the offensive side are markedly less effective since there is very little cover compared to the defending archers. Additionally, it would expand the utility of equipment during regular Battle, Siege, and Defend the Virgin modes, by giving archers a means of defending themselves from enemy projectiles. Finally, pavisiers would be more of a team utility by potentially providing cover and defenses for both themselves and their fellow infantry.

Note: I know there is a lot of hate for range right now, but the implementation of this shield is NOT a buff for archers. First of all, it requires 1 slot, which means that a pavisier would be limited to using the 0-slot weapons. This would also reduce the max ammuntion available to heavy archers (longbows/arbs) by 50%. Second, it inherently reduces the effectiveness of ranged enemies, as it is a shield. The pavise would benefit the wielder and the teammates of the wielder by giving everyone additional protection from archers.

Might want to add some deployable pikewalls as well to stop the cavalry and firepots for increased damage. Oh, and a deployable rest for your xbow for increased accuracy.
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Title: Re: Actual pavises
Post by: Palurgee on July 01, 2015, 02:13:14 am
Quote from: Alec on July 01, 2015, 02:11:27 am
Might want to add some deployable pikewalls

We have those  :?
Title: Re: Actual pavises
Post by: Akavirius on July 03, 2015, 03:13:12 pm
There is a deployable pavise mod. It was in the Floris mod pack.