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Title: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: StonedSteel on June 23, 2015, 08:24:19 pm
...the drama is quite...fuck that, make some fucking noise for fresh beef.

Quote from: Gravoth_iii on June 16, 2015, 09:44:02 pm

    It's not as enjoyable when everyone uses plate, feels cheap, and dirty.


WOT...gravoth...u were on a spree of agree able statments...and then u say this...it feels dirty and cheap...to be a knight? in a medieval game? BITCH I DONT FEEL DIRTY KILLING PEOPLE WITH MY WELL PLACE MORINGSTAR SWINGS

i feel dirty knowing some guy in mail can take 2 of my hits...and spam me to death with a stick... A FUCKING STICK GRAVOTH

no...no no no. besides RIP plate...its fucking useless now, was dueling vadoth the other day, beat me everytime in my plate...im just too slow to fight 24 agi's with only 15-18 myself

but in light cloth or medium mail...i didnt lose once

y the fuck is the best armor WITH THE HIGHEST UPKEEP...the worst armor performance wise...its cuz u gravoth

y u guys hate medieval warfare? y u hate plated knights? y u stick up for the agi whores with their sticks and stones...y gravoth?

Y?
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Putin_Akbar on June 23, 2015, 08:27:51 pm
You sound like total bundle of sticks to be honest... Besides that, knights are gay as hell. You should really attend to one of those gay larps with all the other "MEDIEVAL WARFARE" nerds, who don't know a shit 'bout the reality of war... Even more, the reality of medieval war.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Finse on June 23, 2015, 08:28:37 pm
...the drama is quite...fuck that, make some fucking noise for fresh beef.

Quote from: Gravoth_iii on June 16, 2015, 09:44:02 pm

    It's not as enjoyable when everyone uses plate, feels cheap, and dirty.


WOT...gravoth...u were on a spree of agree able statments...and then u say this...it feels dirty and cheap...to be a knight? in a medieval game? BITCH I DONT FEEL DIRTY KILLING PEOPLE WITH MY WELL PLACE MORINGSTAR SWINGS

i feel dirty knowing some guy in mail can take 2 of my hits...and spam me to death with a stick... A FUCKING STICK GRAVOTH

no...no no no. besides RIP plate...its fucking useless now, was dueling vadoth the other day, beat me everytime in my plate...im just too slow to fight 24 agi's with only 15-18 myself

but in light cloth or medium mail...i didnt lose once

y the fuck is the best armor WITH THE HIGHEST UPKEEP...the worst armor performance wise...its cuz u gravoth

y u guys hate medieval warfare? y u hate plated knights? y u stick up for the agi whores with their sticks and stones...y gravoth?

Y?

Attention Whøre
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: StonedSteel on June 23, 2015, 08:33:20 pm
the day str, and knights, and actual fun comes back...is the day ill stop bitching about how pathetic this mod has become.



we got a long way to go lads.


i suggest u skip my posts...if u dont like hearing the honest truth.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Voncrow on June 23, 2015, 08:50:38 pm
Attention Whøre

Honestly Plumbo is one someone I would never call an attention whore.

On another note, I made a str thrower with pt 10 and ps 10, I use a stick for melee and stones for throwing. I call it the stick and stone build. After all the saying goes stick and stones may break your bones.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Teeth on June 23, 2015, 08:51:07 pm
i suggest u skip my posts
Okay, I shall oblige.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: karasu on June 23, 2015, 09:09:31 pm
And where is the previous part of the soap opera?
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Sharpe on June 23, 2015, 09:17:51 pm
And where is the previous part of the soap opera?

Essentially any balance/mechanics thread Plumbo has posted in.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Gurnisson on June 23, 2015, 09:19:16 pm
Flamberge, high strength and plate was one of the easiest playstyles I ever did
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 23, 2015, 09:34:32 pm
...the drama is quite...fuck that, make some fucking noise for fresh beef.

Quote from: Gravoth_iii on June 16, 2015, 09:44:02 pm

    It's not as enjoyable when everyone uses plate, feels cheap, and dirty.


WOT...gravoth...u were on a spree of agree able statments...and then u say this...it feels dirty and cheap...to be a knight? in a medieval game? BITCH I DONT FEEL DIRTY KILLING PEOPLE WITH MY WELL PLACE MORINGSTAR SWINGS

i feel dirty knowing some guy in mail can take 2 of my hits...and spam me to death with a stick... A FUCKING STICK GRAVOTH

no...no no no. besides RIP plate...its fucking useless now, was dueling vadoth the other day, beat me everytime in my plate...im just too slow to fight 24 agi's with only 15-18 myself

but in light cloth or medium mail...i didnt lose once

y the fuck is the best armor WITH THE HIGHEST UPKEEP...the worst armor performance wise...its cuz u gravoth

y u guys hate medieval warfare? y u hate plated knights? y u stick up for the agi whores with their sticks and stones...y gravoth?

Y?

It feels cheap and dirty because it gives the most efficiency for the least effort put in. Also im speaking strictly from a gameplay perspective, i couldnt care more about HONORBRU KNIGHTHOODS MEDIEVAL BADASSES. Yes you die to agi, and to a stick, because you are a turd wrangler. Learn the very simple things you need to hit someone faster than you, and you will become a good roidrager, or just respecc agi and try that out. Maybe go use it where its the best, in a clusterfuck where you can trade hits and come out on top.

Like i mentioned, the 5v5 ended up with everyone strapping on plate, it wasnt pretty but it got the job done. Too stronk.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Grumbs on June 23, 2015, 09:54:21 pm
I would like to see heavier armours get a cheaper price tag than now, then see how the balance is on the servers. ATM it feels like a waste of money when they aren't really much better than medium armour. The balance should be in the pro's / cons rather than the price
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: StonedSteel on June 24, 2015, 01:43:34 am
It feels cheap and dirty because it gives the most efficiency for the least effort put in. Also im speaking strictly from a gameplay perspective, i couldnt care more about HONORBRU KNIGHTHOODS MEDIEVAL BADASSES. Yes you die to agi, and to a stick, because you are a turd wrangler. Learn the very simple things you need to hit someone faster than you, and you will become a good roidrager, or just respecc agi and try that out. Maybe go use it where its the best, in a clusterfuck where you can trade hits and come out on top.

Like i mentioned, the 5v5 ended up with everyone strapping on plate, it wasnt pretty but it got the job done. Too stronk.

*cracks knuckles*

you did mention the 5v5 as mostly plate wearers and ill take your word for it, as you already know from my other post, i was shocked...EU is just a diff place then NA. for one u guys have the player base to make 5v5, and the players themselves come from various countries worldwide

NA doesnt. we are much more tightnit, ud think this would be good, its not, as when someone finds something extremely abusable the likly hood of others fallowing along, it far greater. its very generic over here, people find a meta, and everyone goes for it.

This is something ill never change my mind about, as i once thought people like San were special and truly skilled\godlike.
Jay, Pheo...shit im not gonna name em all, i made the mistake of calling all these suddenly invincible players "jay clones" until i was corrected that San did that shit way b4.

again, ur from eu and congrats to u, i know how much more fun \ better it is in EU i wont debate the diversity u are right about that.


THE OVERALL CURRENT PROBLEM I HAVE WITH CRPG, IS THE SAME ONE SINCE THE WPF PATCH

PEOPLE MIN MAXING LIGHT ARMORS \ MEDIUM GLOVES AND NOT TAKING PS OR IF

THEY LEAVE THOSE THINGS FOR LAST, AS GET THEIR DMG FROM THEIR AGI \ WPF

THIS IS A VERY VERY BAD CONCEPT FOR A MELEE GAME. PARTICULARLY A MEDIEVAL ONE

"i couldnt care more about HONORBRU KNIGHTHOODS MEDIEVAL BADASSES"
^ think u meant to say less instead of more. you also spelled honorable wrong, and a lil fact for your troll ass..knights ARE BADDASS, gravoth this is undebatable

not all of us are here to mmo and write rps...some of us are here to play a medieval game, and idc if that sounds lame to you, that the atmosphere makes up part of the fun...im not the only one pissy about the current lack of immersion.

i play this because: when im not playing this, im online watching to baddasses in armor fight irl...i am a enthusiast of all things medieval...not fictional medieval, like trolls, but proper lads in proper armor fighting it out.

would i write this much fucking useless shit if i didnt have a passion for it? crpg was onto something, something bigger then ive seen anywhere else, and they let it slip...it could return to that...

or it can continue being what it is today, another War of the Roses...fucking truly amazing, then patched into the ground...

thoughts?
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: elvis1325 on June 24, 2015, 01:48:48 am

or it can continue being what it is today, another War of the Roses...fucking truly amazing, then patched into the ground...

thoughts?

In all fairness, I think the plate armor works better in war of the roses. Can actually deflect some kinds of arrows and swords. I may have missed the point completely though.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Gurnisson on June 24, 2015, 01:50:04 am
You're genuine about people not taking PS, "leaving it for last"? Come on...
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Bronto on June 24, 2015, 04:34:04 am
I didn't read any of this because, quite frankly, too many words man. I am doing a 33/12 build right now in full Gothic armor, armet helm, shinbaulds, and the new heavy gauntlets. I am doing well. I hope all of you are enjoying your builds. That is all.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: StonedSteel on June 24, 2015, 04:34:17 am
You're genuine about people not taking PS, "leaving it for last"? Come on...

...okay i worded that pretty poorly, but you get the idea so...
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: StonedSteel on June 24, 2015, 04:38:16 am
I didn't read any of this because, quite frankly, too many words man. I am doing a 33/12 build right now in full Gothic armor, armet helm, shinbaulds, and the new heavy gauntlets. I am doing well. I hope all of you are enjoying your builds. That is all.

im glad u are doing and well and having fun. but im still gonna be honest with u.
i still feel and will prob always feel that the old wpf system was much better.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Bronto on June 24, 2015, 04:41:12 am
im glad u are doing and well and having fun. but im still gonna be honest with u. 24-21 would destroy u.

Did that and felt like I was abusing game too much. 24/21 is a cheap build. Either you go hard or go home.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: StonedSteel on June 24, 2015, 04:44:11 am
Did that and felt like I was abusing game too much. 24/21 is a cheap build. Either you go hard or go home.

lol that was a bunch of chaos ( sandwich riren,,,u know THE GODS OF CRPG pff ) folks build back when i thought they were super good or something...been anti chaos ever since i tried it for myself.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 24, 2015, 07:27:01 pm
*cracks knuckles*

you did mention the 5v5 as mostly plate wearers and ill take your word for it, as you already know from my other post, i was shocked...EU is just a diff place then NA. for one u guys have the player base to make 5v5, and the players themselves come from various countries worldwide

NA doesnt. we are much more tightnit, ud think this would be good, its not, as when someone finds something extremely abusable the likly hood of others fallowing along, it far greater. its very generic over here, people find a meta, and everyone goes for it.

This is something ill never change my mind about, as i once thought people like San were special and truly skilled\godlike.
Jay, Pheo...shit im not gonna name em all, i made the mistake of calling all these suddenly invincible players "jay clones" until i was corrected that San did that shit way b4.

again, ur from eu and congrats to u, i know how much more fun \ better it is in EU i wont debate the diversity u are right about that.


THE OVERALL CURRENT PROBLEM I HAVE WITH CRPG, IS THE SAME ONE SINCE THE WPF PATCH

PEOPLE MIN MAXING LIGHT ARMORS \ MEDIUM GLOVES AND NOT TAKING PS OR IF

THEY LEAVE THOSE THINGS FOR LAST, AS GET THEIR DMG FROM THEIR AGI \ WPF

THIS IS A VERY VERY BAD CONCEPT FOR A MELEE GAME. PARTICULARLY A MEDIEVAL ONE

"i couldnt care more about HONORBRU KNIGHTHOODS MEDIEVAL BADASSES"
^ think u meant to say less instead of more. you also spelled honorable wrong, and a lil fact for your troll ass..knights ARE BADDASS, gravoth this is undebatable

not all of us are here to mmo and write rps...some of us are here to play a medieval game, and idc if that sounds lame to you, that the atmosphere makes up part of the fun...im not the only one pissy about the current lack of immersion.

i play this because: when im not playing this, im online watching to baddasses in armor fight irl...i am a enthusiast of all things medieval...not fictional medieval, like trolls, but proper lads in proper armor fighting it out.

would i write this much fucking useless shit if i didnt have a passion for it? crpg was onto something, something bigger then ive seen anywhere else, and they let it slip...it could return to that...

or it can continue being what it is today, another War of the Roses...fucking truly amazing, then patched into the ground...

thoughts?

Couldnt care less* thats my bad, but HONORBRU is intentional.

I never felt any immersion in this game, theres so many things that bring you out of the immersion, but instead you are, well i guess you could say immersed, into the combat, and the mechanics. Balance above all, and currently, its not that bad. People play agi builds because they are more fun, it feels like you are actually playing well when you do well, instead of plate spam which is basically just out tanking opponents.

I went to NA for a couple of maps a bit back, and i did fine as str build with quite heavy armor. I really cant remember if it was much different armor and build wise compared to eu.

I could see a upkeep drop on heavier armors being a decent change, but it might also spawn a new age of tincans. But then again, people dont need gold anymore, most are swimming in it. Except for the price, i do think plate is balanced. If you manage to do bad with it then do not blame the armor because its not a free win, but it does make things a lot easier.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: //saxon on June 26, 2015, 03:26:46 pm
nerds, who don't know a shit 'bout the reality of war... Even more, the reality of medieval war.
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Post by: StonedSteel on June 26, 2015, 08:41:18 pm
holy

fucking

shit



this thread is gettin good.
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Post by: Bronto on June 26, 2015, 08:44:44 pm
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Post by: Switchtense on June 26, 2015, 10:00:41 pm
Couldnt care less* thats my bad, but HONORBRU is intentional.

I never felt any immersion in this game, theres so many things that bring you out of the immersion, but instead you are, well i guess you could say immersed, into the combat, and the mechanics. Balance above all, and currently, its not that bad. People play agi builds because they are more fun, it feels like you are actually playing well when you do well, instead of plate spam which is basically just out tanking opponents.

I went to NA for a couple of maps a bit back, and i did fine as str build with quite heavy armor. I really cant remember if it was much different armor and build wise compared to eu.

I could see a upkeep drop on heavier armors being a decent change, but it might also spawn a new age of tincans. But then again, people dont need gold anymore, most are swimming in it. Except for the price, i do think plate is balanced. If you manage to do bad with it then do not blame the armor because its not a free win, but it does make things a lot easier.

Partially at least.
I am probably playing NA1 more often than EU1, and -at least with my ping of about 130- I find using heavier armour much easier indeed.
It is more forgiving, in my Heraldic Mail & Plate I can take about 3-8 hits, while with lighter armour about 1-4. That makes hell of a difference.
Though, if I play with a normal ping (24ish for me) I find using plate incredibly difficult. Simply because I am way faster in light gear and the incoming hits are blockable with that ping. (With 130 blocking is not difficult either, it only gets bad if you fight a feint-/spam whore)

So I'd say plate makes it easier to survive if you tend to get hit fairly often, but it doesn't necessarily make it easier by default.

What it does, though, is making it much harder for the person fighting the tincan.
And I have to admit, I definitely despise plate wearers.
I know without their armour they'd probably die 5 seconds into the fight, but instead they soak my hits as if I was using a pugil stick.
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Bronto on June 26, 2015, 10:47:20 pm
You are genius, wish they'd remove WPF requirement for throwing, so that i could spec an insane 16 PT character with +3 stones or Zeus Lances

Also, always disappointed that i've never met a troll pair ingame called 'Knife' and 'Fork' where one uses pitchfork and the other uses the basic kitchen knife weapon. Maybe in M:BG if they include the belly slider they promised we'll transcend to that level of greatness...

DUDE! Xol and I made troll alts one time called Left_Scissor and Right_Scissor. Ran exact same build and stood beside each other. One person always did left swing the other right swing with glaives...good times...GET SCISSORED!
Title: Re: Knights are dirty and cheap and not fun...WOT? ( plumbo vs gravoth continues )
Post by: Bronto on June 26, 2015, 10:52:15 pm
We also convinced our teamspeak channel of like 8 or 9 people to all run the classic Scumpy build of 3/33 with a long dagger, one person was on a sumpter horse, and they would ride into battle bump someone and the rest of us would just circle and stab them to death. That was probably one of the most fun days of crpg for me.
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