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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => EU (Official) => Topic started by: Blackbow on June 10, 2015, 07:24:19 pm

Title: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 10, 2015, 07:24:19 pm
i start to get bored of those monkey roof.

so i want to know if camping this kind of roof are unreachable place or not ?
if it's allowed or not ?
there is no stairs, no ladders and im pretty sure than str build cant go on it...
especialy when you have to do some tricky jump till you get shot by those monkey roof...
sry if it's wrong section but things have to be clear...

one quote from crpg rules :
NOT OK: camping unreachable places
http://forum.melee.org/announcements/official-server-rules/

to me it's clearly an unreachable spot even if all retard gonna say : if he can go on it it's reachable ...
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here is an other example of unreachable spot, you can see his dead body on top right of arch
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check on this one you cant reach it without high agi , no str can reach it
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Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: pogosan on June 10, 2015, 07:25:30 pm
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 10, 2015, 07:26:35 pm
Jump on broken wall and you're there.
im not asking how to reach it dude.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: pogosan on June 10, 2015, 07:32:37 pm
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 10, 2015, 07:34:14 pm
to me no ladder or no stairs = unreachable
or when the map maker havent made the spot on purpose...
and it's giving them a huge advantage.
especialy when you have to do some tricky jump till you get shot by those monkey roof...

check on this one you cant reach it without high agi , no str can reach it
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edit : from what movie/serie is coming your avatar ?
edit 2 : nvm i found it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2T2hrMKvQ)
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Switchtense on June 10, 2015, 07:40:58 pm
To me the first one is alright since it is very easy to get up there.

That last one where you need agi, however, is not ok since not everybody can easily access that rooftop.

p.s.: How did that guy get on the arch :o
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 10, 2015, 07:41:54 pm
To me the first one is alright since it is very easy to get up there.

That last one where you need agi, however, is not ok since not everybody can easily access that rooftop.

p.s.: How did that guy get on the arch :o

about the arch i dont know but someone told me it was rly easy ... it look like the hardest one but no
it's the easiet camping monkey roof spot to get
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: oguz on June 10, 2015, 07:50:52 pm
allow to use ladders in eu1 !
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Casul on June 10, 2015, 07:55:23 pm
about the arch i dont know but someone told me it was rly easy ... it look like the hardest one but no
it's the easiet camping monkey roof spot to get


true, 2nd is really easily reachable :D   even as str.  Although I never managed to get on the 3rd and 1st.

I dont think it is that much of a problem anyway, even for me as melee (mostly). They care more about other archers around the map who try to shoot them because they are vulnerable to all 4 sides.

However, there should be at least a new rules which forces you to get down when you are last man standing...
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Molly on June 10, 2015, 08:03:11 pm
I get on the arc for lulz sometimes... spamming "I'm defending the..."  8-)
It's more a question about to know where and when to jump but then it's pretty much reachable by anyone, me thinkz.

Is it worthy a ban? None of those spots in my book... For me it's not glitching.
Kick? Only if he is the last guy of the team and refuses to get down when out numbered properly. But then it's more about delaying and less about a non-reachable spot. But then there are the flags if they aren't buggy.

Certainly not worth the time to make a ban request about... that would take as much time as it takes the maps to change.
If an admin is present, it's a situational decision by the admin as described above.

Tho I am pretty sure there are new admins around where you might run in open doors with this. :oops:

Just my 2 cents...

Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 11, 2015, 12:37:38 am
just to be clear :

i dont request a ban on anyone atm
i just want to know if they are allowed to go on those spots
i always had a doubt on this kind of spot, i already made a poll kick for those roof campers and it always finished in huge debat on the server...
so instead pissing off people ingame im asking on forum...

i'm gonna repeat my self but :
to me when a spot give a huge advantage to an op class like a ranged and you have to do some tricky jumps, and there is no easy acces(ladder/stairs), it's clearly an unreachable spot.

i know some of you are pros to parkour but comon if the spot havent be thinked to be reachable by the map maker it's a kind of "glitch" no ?

about the arch it never crossed my mind to try to go on it and i dont know how, so if there is no clear way to acces on it, it's not legit in my opinion.

now are we playing a war game, are you playing to fight each others or just for spam vocal voice and climb trees like monkeys ? =)

and about this rule : NOT OK: camping unreachable places
i dont think cmp imaginate the situation and put it just for the lol

i found funny to see how many trolls or pro climber are affected by this post.
long time i havent see a kre... i mean someone using siege shield to acces a roof =p
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Leshma on June 11, 2015, 01:05:50 am
Last time I made similar thread, answer was: it is okay until last man. That doesn't take into account admins who cba to enforce the rules most of the time.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Switchtense on June 11, 2015, 12:57:14 pm
i know some of you are pros to parkour but comon if the spot havent be thinked to be reachable by the map maker it's a kind of "glitch" no ?

Honestly, no it would not be a glitch.
It is merely a place that the developers did not have in mind when creating the map.

It'd be a glitch if you had to use some exploits, like jumping against a wall which magically bounces you back if you hit the right spot over some other wall to get underneath the map or out of bounds or whatever.


Here some examples of exploiting glitches on CoD4
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Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Leshma on June 11, 2015, 02:30:01 pm
That's not entirely true. Because, at first, most maps were pretty much open. Then Mustikki (who was at that time map manager) and others started "fixing" them by adding invisible walls to places which were considered as exploitable. Just because some places haven't been fixed by invisible wall, doesn't mean it is okay to abuse it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of limiting the gameplay and I'm especially against invisible walls. Those places OP posted are all relatively easily reachable and most of the people know how to reach them and which tools to use. But devs themselves have stated their view on this by putting invisible walls on maps and not allowing access normally to most roofs. Sometimes their intention to "fix" things reaches pretty extreme levels, for example, there is a map where it is impossible to come near certain building because there is a porch nearby. Some braniac has put invisible wall all around that specific area (around the porch), had a laugh when I spotted it :lol:

This discussion should be moved to General Discussion sub.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Switchtense on June 11, 2015, 03:06:38 pm
I stated why this is not a glitch.

Whether this actually is okay or not is ultimately up for the admins to decide.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Bronto on June 11, 2015, 03:28:26 pm
Just bring back ladders and all of these problems are solved.

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Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 11, 2015, 06:47:58 pm
That's not entirely true. Because, at first, most maps were pretty much open. Then Mustikki (who was at that time map manager) and others started "fixing" them by adding invisible walls to places which were considered as exploitable. Just because some places haven't been fixed by invisible wall, doesn't mean it is okay to abuse it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of limiting the gameplay and I'm especially against invisible walls. Those places OP posted are all relatively easily reachable and most of the people know how to reach them and which tools to use. But devs themselves have stated their view on this by putting invisible walls on maps and not allowing access normally to most roofs. Sometimes their intention to "fix" things reaches pretty extreme levels, for example, there is a map where it is impossible to come near certain building because there is a porch nearby. Some braniac has put invisible wall all around that specific area (around the porch), had a laugh when I spotted it :lol:

This discussion should be moved to General Discussion sub.

to me if devs removed ladders its for stop giving spots who give huge advantage.
and the spot im showing in screens are just missing invisible walls.

and last time i made similar thread it finished in flooding section ... so i took my chance on this one.

i just want a simple yes or no from an admin. just to know if i can poll kick one of those roof camper or not when there is no admin on server.

Honestly, no it would not be a glitch.
It is merely a place that the developers did not have in mind when creating the map.

It'd be a glitch if you had to use some exploits, like jumping against a wall which magically bounces you back if you hit the right spot over some other wall to get underneath the map or out of bounds or whatever.


Here some examples of exploiting glitches on CoD4
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about it's glitch or not i just dont find the proper word but to me it's not legit acces if you prefer
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: matt2507 on June 11, 2015, 08:03:34 pm
Honestly, no it would not be a glitch.

Using a bug or something not provided by the game to gain an advantage is a glitch.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 11, 2015, 11:11:09 pm
and again today, this archer on top of arch, the red 2hander tried to jump to go catch him he got shot ....
impossible for him to reach the archer....
then one enemie came in back of the red 2hander the archer shot the 2hander when he was figthing a shielder....

dont tell me it's not unreachable spot

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Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Switchtense on June 11, 2015, 11:30:44 pm
Using a bug or something not provided by the game to gain an advantage is a glitch.

Exactly my point. That is why getting on these rooftops is not a glitch.
You get there by jumping on a wall and then on a rooftop.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: jtobiasm on June 12, 2015, 12:12:06 am
and again today, this archer on top of arch, the red 2hander tried to jump to go catch him he got shot ....
impossible for him to reach the archer....
then one enemie came in back of the red 2hander the archer shot the 2hander when he was figthing a shielder....

dont tell me it's not unreachable spot

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That's me!!!
These are simple run and jumps, reachable if you know how to do them.
And yeah i did shoot the guy in the red, not my fault if he wants to be stupid and try to kill me with no shield.


Simple solution. If you don't know how to do them, go into a private match and learn them.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Thireg on June 12, 2015, 02:24:18 am
but it's giving you a crazy advantage? be honest

how to deal with this when no ranged alive or shielder  alive in other team ?

just learn to play fair get some balls instead camping like a pussy
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: POOPHAMMER on June 12, 2015, 02:25:50 am
What really needs to be done is a revision of the current maps in rotation and block off spots like that.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 12, 2015, 02:29:12 am
What really needs to be done is a revision of the current maps in rotation and block off spots like that.

so if those spots need to be fixed that mean they are not suposed to be reachable ?
and it make them unreachable? so they are forbiden ?
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: POOPHAMMER on June 12, 2015, 02:32:08 am
so if those spots need to be fixed that mean they are not suposed to be reachable ?
and it make them unreachable? so they are forbiden ?

While I see it as a problem, they are not doing anything a normal person can not do. Yes it sucks and the spots should be sealed off, but personally I wouldnt ban someone for doing it. That is just me though. I am saying this as a polearm user that never uses a shield and can not stand when people do this. The only time I would kick for it is if someone launched them up there with a siege shield and there is absolutely no other way of getting there.

On a side note, I think this thread should be moved to suggestions with a poll, as this is more of a discussion rather than a ban request.
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: Blackbow on June 12, 2015, 03:08:03 am
While I see it as a problem, they are not doing anything a normal person can not do. Yes it sucks and the spots should be sealed off, but personally I wouldnt ban someone for doing it. That is just me though. I am saying this as a polearm user that never uses a shield and can not stand when people do this. The only time I would kick for it is if someone launched them up there with a siege shield and there is absolutely no other way of getting there.

On a side note, I think this thread should be moved to suggestions with a poll, as this is more of a discussion rather than a ban request.
well till the thread dont finish in the spam section like my old one why not.

but i think i will have to learn maping on warband to fix this...
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: POOPHAMMER on June 12, 2015, 03:21:26 am
well till the thread dont finish in the spam section like my old one why not.

but i think i will have to learn maping on warband to fix this...

You and me both, I tried it out one time but could not really figure out what I was doing. There has been a few things in maps that bothered me that need fixing that I would not mind fixing if I knew how. Might look into learning soon. Plus I have always wanted to make a map :)
Title: Re: Banable or not ?
Post by: //saxon on June 15, 2015, 12:42:21 am
Please take this to General Discussion now guys, Depends on the situation if it is bannable or not.

Locking thread.  :mrgreen: