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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Balikar on May 29, 2015, 07:44:56 pm

Title: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Balikar on May 29, 2015, 07:44:56 pm
Truth is, I don't know if there is still time to cancel... but... it should be.

1) I don't know how experienced the 'Zerks are, but clearly, either they need to knock the rust off, or they are somewhat new to battle mechanics.  Kelredan castle was disastrous.  An attacker should never be gear bugged.  Chalk that up as a learning experience.  Still, they lost their army, and all the gear... that will take time to rebuild.

2)  Chide is their only fief.  Day after day, i read complaints that there aren't enough battles, or people for that matter...  so what are you doing?  Setting them back even further.  Now, either they will become nomadic, and may rebuild... or they just might quit.  Do we really need less people generating troops/engaging in battles?  And now the time from their original loss has just been doubled, if not tripled before they can mount anything. 

3)  HCE likes to have a set of 'gentleman's rules' in place.  No raiding, no bad battle times, etc... and yet, the moment someone comes along and pokes them in the eye, they immediately move to steam roll.  Sorry, but you guys get the hypocrite award for the year.  And yes, I say year, because the map should have been reset in 2014, and all the transgressions from 2014 are dated at this point. 
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: W0LF on May 29, 2015, 08:03:47 pm
So we shouldn't have attacked someone who attacked us first? They had time to build up and by attacking they showed they were willing for a war. I don't know how it can be our fault for responding to them attacking us first. Feel free to point out anything you feel I said wrong I want to see your point of view on this. Not a fight just a debate  :P
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Sharpe on May 29, 2015, 08:10:22 pm
So we shouldn't have attacked someone who attacked us first? They had time to build up and by attacking they showed they were willing for a war. I don't know how it can be our fault for responding to them attacking us first. Feel free to point out anything you feel I said wrong I want to see your point of view on this. Not a fight just a debate  :P

I mean I feel as if the whole "they attacked so they were ready for war" argument is tantamount to the "She was wearing those clothes, so she was just asking to be raped" argument. Yeah, Berserks raided, and you responded in a fashion which you felt as appropriate, but stop and think for a moment; was it really appropriate?
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Balikar on May 29, 2015, 08:34:16 pm
So we shouldn't have attacked someone who attacked us first? They had time to build up and by attacking they showed they were willing for a war. I don't know how it can be our fault for responding to them attacking us first. Feel free to point out anything you feel I said wrong I want to see your point of view on this. Not a fight just a debate  :P

It's pretty simple.  There's no reason to wipe any faction off the map at this point.  If you haven't gotten my point of view based off the points I made, then no matter how often I post about it, you won't get it. 
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Delson on May 29, 2015, 08:41:06 pm
I mean I feel as if the whole "they attacked so they were ready for war" argument is tantamount to the "She was wearing those clothes, so she was just asking to be raped" argument. Yeah, Berserks raided, and you responded in a fashion which you felt as appropriate, but stop and think for a moment; was it really appropriate?

.....yes? Also not sure what the rape thing is about as it is a very poor analogy. A better one is: If someone pokes you in the eye so you hit them in the face.

It's pretty simple.  There's no reason to wipe any faction off the map at this point.  If you haven't gotten my point of view based off the points I made, then no matter how often I post about it, you won't get it.

If you're a small faction they why attack a big one suddenly?
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Sharpe on May 29, 2015, 08:42:58 pm
.....yes? Also not sure what the rape thing is about as it is a very poor analogy. A better one is: If someone pokes you in the eye so you hit them in the face.

Eh its the first one that came to mind, I thought it was suiting. A poor analogy would've been: its like taking candy from a slightly retarded baby. I guess its all about perspective.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: StonedSteel on May 29, 2015, 08:45:39 pm
god im glad i grew sick of na and quit. and i prob shouldnt post this,,,i should never post at lunch or b4 i smoke...

but theres a number of things to be pointed out for those that dont know. and for those that dont know my own opinions of lumetta and the berzerk clan...this outta be a good read. i mean, voncrow, instead of saying "no thx" when you invited me to berzerks, i should have typed the reason, i should have typed that lumetta is a huge douchebag, and that berzerk clan, will never, EVER, last.

HCE is NOT taking over the world, brygg little anti acre clan grew into a massive\impressive empire which LL broke off from and pushed acre out of the north.

the starks entire collection of fiefs, was won the exact same way i took godwins castle from him ( well, not exactly, i actually had to fight )...everyone bitched at me for attacking afk's, but now that At fifteen, I had the will to  learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no  doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ;  at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could  do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the  square., starks and the other clans that still play, are part of the "cool kids club" and are beyond doing wrong?
this is not to say imo they are the strongest empire to grace CRPG, far from it. like rodents and dinosaurs, they simply waited out greater creatures extinction and emerged ruler of the scraps far greater clans left behind ( shots fired )

now that HCE is big and strong, they are able to dictate terms rather then beg for them, and have thus turned into a "do as i say, not as i do" faction, which most mega factions become.

balicker thinks everytime someone loses badly,,,its unfair...possibly a symptom of being part of a shit clan that rarely does anything other then defend their one castle they've managed to seize. your the guy who once made a post begging other clans to give you free shit and let you practice your catapulting on them, while they sit there and die...you know, so you wouldnt be so shitty next time you fought...obviously no one offered to do this.

i dont feel a pinch of sympathy for lumetta, yall must have bad memories or some shit, i see happening exactly what i expected to see happen. i feel bad for voncrow, who at least earned all the gear and troops lumetta used him for, and ultimately lost.

i know i know, lumetta is a chilled guy in ts. he's also one of thee biggest trolls, \ douchbags in the entire game. he aint even berzerk, running away from every solid fight, only to come back and 1-shot people in cloth screaming "GF GF"...the guy is a douchebag, fuck em.

i talk shit with HCE when they talk shit back with me, but they arnt out to ruin my fun and im not out to ruin theirs. the shit talking between myself and Joan enhances the game, it doesnt ruin it for me, and it doesnt ruin it for him

lumetta is a troll, who used poor voncrow, and tried attacking the same people he always attacks, those deemed to be weakest.
nah, no remorse or sympathy for lumetta, the guy is a troll who constantly goes out of his way to ruin other peoples fun

so for once im happy to see HCE on the offensive and even happier about the people they are attacking. Technically HCE is counter attacking, and im glad but ultimately not surprised about the outcome.

u guys really dont rememeber \ see a pattern here? the berzerks arnt meant to last, they never have, never will, they come back every now and then, until they get wiped \ bored of trolling.

Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: StonedSteel on May 29, 2015, 08:52:28 pm
Eh its the first one that came to mind, I thought it was suiting. A poor analogy would've been: its like taking candy from a slightly retarded baby. I guess its all about perception.

sharpe...ugly girl with shit cloths goes to bad area looking for danger and excitement...dull night

pretty girl with hot clothes? better no better then to go looking for troble in the wrong place.

you could get raped anywhere if you are attractive...even if you are unattacractive...its just less likely.
and if your in a crowded place...it could still happen, and does all the time.

if your attractive in a bad place AND its not crowded...ITS GOING to happen...this is not blaming the victim...they are a victim of their own stupidity. and should blame themself. of course there are extreme cases where my examples dont mean shit,,,so to sum it all up

if i park my shitty fucking Volvo in a ghetto...im not sure if someone will try to steal it...but i bet they would try if they got the chance
IF I BRING MY MERCEDES TO THE GHETTO...THAT CAR IS GETTING JACKED...DONT BRING UR MERCEDES TO A FUCKING GHETTO.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Sharpe on May 29, 2015, 08:54:42 pm
sharpe...ugly girl with shit cloths goes to bad area looking for danger and excitement...dull night

pretty girl with hot clothes? better no better then to go looking for troble in the wrong place.

you could get raped anywhere if you are attractive...even if you are unattacractive...its just less likely.
and if your in a crowded place...it could still happen, and does all the time.

if your attractive in a bad place AND its not crowded...ITS GOING to happen...this is not blaming the victim...they are a victim of their own stupidity. and should blame themself. of course there are extreme cases where my examples dont mean shit,,,so to sum it all up

if i park my shitty fucking Volvo in a ghetto...im not sure if someone will try to steal it...but i bet they would try if they got the chance
IF I BRING MY MERCEDES TO THE GHETTO...THAT CAR IS GETTING JACKED...DONT BRING UR MERCEDES TO A FUCKING GHETTO.

Thank you for teaching me life lessons Plumbo.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: njames89 on May 29, 2015, 10:22:59 pm
Fuck I think I agreed with plumbo.  :shock:

Also anyone upset with HCE standard operating procedure can:

File a complaint with the Senate.

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Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Balikar on May 29, 2015, 11:07:43 pm
Thank you for teaching me life lessons Plumbo.

Plumbo posted?
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Talanarsis on May 29, 2015, 11:23:20 pm
Plumbo posted?

Plumbo always posts... in my heart....
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Sharpe on May 30, 2015, 12:01:45 am

File a complaint with the Senate.

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Remember your complaint must be filed in triplicate. Otherwise, you'll have to fill form EZ-07, which also must be filed in triplicate. This form allows you to file a non triplicated complaint.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on May 30, 2015, 03:37:04 am
I literally JUST posted a topic about chadzia being too powerful. Glad to know I'm not the only one kinda scared that almost half the fiefs are grey.

No, really, I don't think world superpowers are good when you guys are having issues with losing players/not getting new ones. The old ones eventually just give up and quit when a faction takes over their land, and new players like me get super intimmidated when they see just how mega-wildly-super-powerful and organized some factions are. Its like join them or die... Or make another large faction like beserks but you'll still die. It really leaves no room for others wanting to start new factions.

But oh well, it is what it is. I'll just have to be a nomad and evade the authorities  :lol:
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Talanarsis on May 30, 2015, 04:12:03 am
I literally JUST posted a topic about chadzia being too powerful. Glad to know I'm not the only one kinda scared that almost half the fiefs are grey.

No, really, I don't think world superpowers are good when you guys are having issues with losing players/not getting new ones. The old ones eventually just give up and quit when a faction takes over their land, and new players like me get super intimmidated when they see just how mega-wildly-super-powerful and organized some factions are. Its like join them or die... Or make another large faction like beserks but you'll still die. It really leaves no room for others wanting to start new factions.

But oh well, it is what it is. I'll just have to be a nomad and evade the authorities  :lol:

What do you mean "join them or die"? I actually gave 2 fiefs to the Voncrow so he could have his own faction (Well, the took one by force and I gave the other one to him). So far the only wars HCE has fought were defensive wars. We have no issues with new factions, and we don't want to force any players to join us if they don't want to.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on May 30, 2015, 04:52:52 am
Join us or die? Wut. I don't think we've declared war on anyone this entire strat sans the Squids. Also Plumbo, you are a god among men with that post. If I had more than one plus one to give, I'd give it to you. 

3)  HCE likes to have a set of 'gentleman's rules' in place.  No raiding, no bad battle times, etc... and yet, the moment someone comes along and pokes them in the eye, they immediately move to steam roll.  Sorry, but you guys get the hypocrite award for the year.  And yes, I say year, because the map should have been reset in 2014, and all the transgressions from 2014 are dated at this point. 

We said no bad battle times and no raiding, and we are hypocrites for not raiding/having somewhat decent battle times? I think you need to look up what that word means man. And no, we wont cancel the battle because they wouldn't do the same for us. They declared war on us, they said they would do anything to win, so we sent THREE armies over and have taken their lands. I dont know how sending three people is "steam rolling".

Edit: If they really cared to keep their fiefs they would have hired a roster. Also why would we cancel and lose 1800 troops?
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: W0LF on May 30, 2015, 02:17:13 pm
I literally JUST posted a topic about chadzia being too powerful. Glad to know I'm not the only one kinda scared that almost half the fiefs are grey.

No, really, I don't think world superpowers are good when you guys are having issues with losing players/not getting new ones. The old ones eventually just give up and quit when a faction takes over their land, and new players like me get super intimmidated when they see just how mega-wildly-super-powerful and organized some factions are. Its like join them or die... Or make another large faction like beserks but you'll still die. It really leaves no room for others wanting to start new factions.

But oh well, it is what it is. I'll just have to be a nomad and evade the authorities  :lol:
Again you still dont know how we were formed. Please do research instead of just assuming.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Bryggan on May 30, 2015, 04:39:19 pm
There seems to be some misinformation going around that we 'see a new faction' and then set out to destroy it.  This is not true.  There are many witnesses to me promoting some neutral factions.  In fact, we went to Berserk TS and chatted with them; the first time to ask about rosters and if they would be neutral, and the second time to plead with them not to raid.  The berserks were fun to hang out with, very amusing, but obviously nothing was accomplished.

I had been considering diplomatic solutions with the Berserks, as I said earlier, we want some neutral faction.  But then not only did they raid, they set a stupidly early battle.  But chadz is good, and they attacked all gear bugged up.  What can I say, karma's a bitch.

In my opinion, what was killing Strat was people screwing around.  Nighttime battles, gear bugging, and bullshit like that.  When you work long and hard for an army, or to equip a fief, you don't want to lose everything cuz of a 3 am battle (or 3 pm), or getting raided, or getting gear bugged.  When you build an army, you either want to see it victorious or go down in a blaze of glory.

When I fought Acre, and then the Wardens, both sides played like gentlemen, and people got interested again and actually had fun.  And it was the same with Dutchy, though his nighttime settings, while justifiable, were annoying.  Still, he played like a gentleman and we had some good battles (and some not so good ones, but you can't control that).  If he had wanted to, he could have sent his massive armies into our lands and raided everything and there would have been little we could have done about it.  Except rage quit, which I think 90% of us would have done in that case.

So, if you want to be a neutral faction, talk to us or to the Wardens, and we'll happily try help.  The more neutrals, the more chance of having even rosters in our battles, so its win win.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on May 30, 2015, 04:50:31 pm
Whats the point of owning half the world if you don't even have wars... I mean, I guess if thats your idea of fun, but I think its kinda lame to just own half the world for no reason really. But my point still remains. And no, I'm not saying you SHOULD beat other factions into the dust just because you can for fun.  :rolleyes:

And anyways, as the great poet Tyrion Lannister once said: "The powerful always prey on the weak, that's how they became powerful in the first place."
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Talanarsis on May 30, 2015, 05:30:39 pm
Whats the point of owning half the world if you don't even have wars... I mean, I guess if thats your idea of fun, but I think its kinda lame to just own half the world for no reason really. But my point still remains. And no, I'm not saying you SHOULD beat other factions into the dust just because you can for fun.  :rolleyes:

And anyways, as the great poet Tyrion Lannister once said: "The powerful always prey on the weak, that's how they became powerful in the first place."

We became powerful because the weak joined together.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Bryggan on May 30, 2015, 05:55:19 pm
Oh, we'll have wars.  Gotta do something with our ticks.  But we don't want to wipe factions, unless they are total douchebags of course.  But we can encroach, we can have field battles, and we can always make peace after a few fights.

And Dutchy still has lots and lots of men and gear.  Right now he is the only one I want to crush- just because I know I can't.  Still, it is fun trying.  Also, if I don't fight him, he'll just waste his stuff in XP battles.  Can't have that.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Voncrow on May 30, 2015, 08:27:07 pm
We became powerful because the weak joined together.

And by weak, you mean three of the larger factions on the map?
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on May 30, 2015, 08:38:50 pm
And by weak, you mean three of the larger factions on the map?

Not to knock anyone in our faction, they're all great people, but its pretty obvious that we are mostly comprised of average players myself included.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on May 30, 2015, 08:39:46 pm
We became powerful because the weak joined together.

Since everyone says I don't know the history of this faction, you have piqued my interest. Write me a letter  :lol:
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Talanarsis on May 30, 2015, 08:50:53 pm
And by weak, you mean three of the larger factions on the map?

What do you mean? When we formed Acre and Merchants of Curaw only had a few fiefs, and we were just done getting our arses destroyed by WoTN, and LL declared war right after we surrendered to WoTN. We may have had many fiefs, but we were not strong.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: njames89 on May 30, 2015, 08:58:32 pm
What do you mean? When we formed Acre and Merchants of Curaw only had a few fiefs, and we were just done getting our arses destroyed by WoTN, and LL declared war right after we surrendered to WoTN. We may have had many fiefs, but we were not strong.

Well said. Acre was just reforming after Jimmy and Dutchy backstabbed us like total shitlords  and threw months of their allies strat work down the drain.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Dutchydave on May 31, 2015, 04:02:48 am
Back on topic, it was never an option to cancel the battle as HCE would of killed the 1800 troops to do so and lost all the gear. The only real option would of been to offer the village back after the battle but I honestly cant say that would be reasonable considering this clan had just declared war on HCE, Im sure the Beserks learnt a lot from this encounter and I encourage them to rebuild and attack shit again.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on May 31, 2015, 04:59:22 am
What do you mean? When we formed Acre and Merchants of Curaw only had a few fiefs, and we were just done getting our arses destroyed by WoTN, and LL declared war right after we surrendered to WoTN. We may have had many fiefs, but we were not strong.

So basically HCE was formed by a handful of weak, collapsing, chaotic factions that were trying to survive wars on multiple fronts, including from allies. So you banded together and raised massive armies and equipment and fended off the attackers and now play more of a defensive game to protect the land you have so valiantly fought to protect. Amiright?

I respect that.  :)
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Voncrow on May 31, 2015, 05:23:52 am
So basically HCE was formed by a handful of weak, collapsing, chaotic factions that were trying to survive wars on multiple fronts, including from allies. So you banded together and raised massive armies and equipment and fended off the attackers and now play more of a defensive game to protect the land you have so valiantly fought to protect. Amiright?

I respect that.  :)

Actually most their fiefs they raided or just took without a fight. Not Valiantly. And even after being beat, each of the three factions that joined together were in the top 5 strongest factions easily. Not to mention they were all pretty much working together anyway. So not much changed.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Bryggan on May 31, 2015, 09:07:48 am
When the Starks took most of their land, strat was dead and dying.  People thought the game was about to reset, so it was like one last fling for those still playing.  More of a joke than anything.  The Starks went for a land grab, I attacked my good friends Acre (who I used to be a vassal to), then attacked my good friend Go Do the Dishes (who gave me gear to fight Acre), then attacked the Wardens (who allied with me in my war against Acre).

But then Strat didn't end.  So, instead of taking our especially spiked cool-aid like most factions, we just kept on playing.  The rash moments of late autumn strat became a little more cautious.  As someone else said, we were the furry mammals crawling out of our holes after the dinosaurs died.  Then we set new rules- new rules that would prevent us going the way of the dinosaur.  The Starks stopped raiding.  We agreed with out enemies about decent battle times.  We stopped ninja rostering (though that is coming back apparently).  We stopped being dick head wannabes who thought winning was the point of the game.

But we still like winning.  We love to crush our enemies. See them driven before us.  Hear the lamentations of their women.  Cuz that is what is good in life.  But, much like the KGB, we realized that if we ran out of enemies, we'd run ourselves out of a job.  But unlike the KGB, where they had a population of 200 million or so, and thus could always 'find' new enemies, we gotta keep the ones we got.

So yes.  We have become a strong faction.  The individuals in this faction have become a lot more active than they were in Kingdoms of the North. Probably because this time we are not the aggressor.  So- now we are filthy rich, and have many large armies... what do we do?

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Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Balikar on May 31, 2015, 01:34:42 pm
>>We stopped being dick head wannabes who thought winning was the point of the game.<<

Lot of words.  Point of this entire thread:

Wiping anyone off the map, at this point in the game, is something a dick head wannabe would do.  Sending them all straight to EU at the earliest convenience, is something a dick head wannabe would do. 

Once upon a time, the Starks attacked a fief they thought no one would miss.  They didn't declare war, or do anything of the sort, and defenders showed up because it wasn't done 'right.'  The peasant defenders wiped out an army of 800 plus.  In the waning moments, the Starks whined up a storm.  "How could you do this to me?"  The victor, rather than be a complete dick, actually turned around and gave them back all the gear that was attained from that fight.  You'd think that that kind of compassion, might be returned, because they were providing something for the community...

But apparently, that lesson wasn't learned. 


Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on May 31, 2015, 03:41:35 pm
Actually most their fiefs they raided or just took without a fight. Not Valiantly. And even after being beat, each of the three factions that joined together were in the top 5 strongest factions easily. Not to mention they were all pretty much working together anyway. So not much changed.

Oh, so its more like the axis powers of WW2. Unfourtanately, I'm not a chocolate chip cookie, so I don't really respect that as much  :lol:

EDIT: Apparently the world "N*zi" is changed to chocolate chip cookie  :lol:
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 31, 2015, 06:34:48 pm
Oh, so its more like the axis powers of WW2. Unfourtanately, I'm not a chocolate chip cookie, so I don't really respect that as much  :lol:

EDIT: Apparently the world "N*zi" is changed to chocolate chip cookie  :lol:

Couple words on the forum like that.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Talanarsis on May 31, 2015, 06:57:27 pm
Couple words on the forum like that.

Naz! is censored but communist isn't? While H!tler killed 11 million during the war, Stalin killed 60 million. Mao Zedong was also responsible for the death of ~78 million. SO, the moral of the story is- communism is more evil than Naz!sm.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Voncrow on May 31, 2015, 07:09:13 pm
Honestly, the Berserks and me don't mind much about being wiped like we were, we'll get back up and try again. I just personally find all this shit the HCE is spouting to be so god damn stupid, don't play the good guy when you're playing the same game and just as low. (Which I don't consider low at all, just part of the game)
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: njames89 on May 31, 2015, 07:27:29 pm
Honestly, the Berserks and me don't mind much about being wiped like we were, we'll get back up and try again. I just personally find all this shit the HCE is spouting to be so god damn stupid, don't play the good guy when you're playing the same game and just as low. (Which I don't consider low at all, just part of the game)

You guys raided us?
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on May 31, 2015, 08:30:02 pm
>>We stopped being dick head wannabes who thought winning was the point of the game.<<

Lot of words.  Point of this entire thread:

Wiping anyone off the map, at this point in the game, is something a dick head wannabe would do.  Sending them all straight to EU at the earliest convenience, is something a dick head wannabe would do. 

Once upon a time, the Starks attacked a fief they thought no one would miss.  They didn't declare war, or do anything of the sort, and defenders showed up because it wasn't done 'right.'  The peasant defenders wiped out an army of 800 plus.  In the waning moments, the Starks whined up a storm.  "How could you do this to me?"  The victor, rather than be a complete dick, actually turned around and gave them back all the gear that was attained from that fight.  You'd think that that kind of compassion, might be returned, because they were providing something for the community...

But apparently, that lesson wasn't learned.

Wait when did that happen? When did House Stark ever even have an 800 man army? I'm confused.

Edit: also this is pretty hilarious coming from the person who was demanding land and stuff from the HCE and then the second my army rolls up outside your castle you start begging Bryggan to not attack you(I wasn't going to anyways).
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 31, 2015, 09:12:38 pm
Wait when did that happen? When did House Stark ever even have an 800 man army? I'm confused.

Edit: also this is pretty hilarious coming from the person who was demanding land and stuff from the HCE and then the second my army rolls up outside your castle you start begging Bryggan to not attack you(I wasn't going to anyways).

DId you mean Tilbaut? Or Moonshines little castle?
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on May 31, 2015, 09:18:00 pm
DId you mean Tilbaut? Or Moonshines little castle?

Moonshines castle, not yours
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 31, 2015, 09:21:04 pm
Moonshines castle, not yours

I don't think anyone would enjoy attacking Tilbaut. Just to hard(especially with the LOW low rosters.) WOTN tried and it was like 10 v 15. Was so, so boring. I do miss the old Squid sieges we had.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on May 31, 2015, 09:23:20 pm
I don't think anyone would enjoy attacking Tilbaut. Just to hard(especially with the LOW low rosters.) WOTN tried and it was like 10 v 15. Was so, so boring. I do miss the old Squid sieges we had.

No ones talking about trying to siege Tilbaut. And recent sieges have had ~30 players on both sides so thats not very low rosters.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 31, 2015, 09:32:48 pm
No ones talking about trying to siege Tilbaut. And recent sieges have had ~30 players on both sides so thats not very low rosters.

No I ment as a "fun" siege. Without a real, proper siege army and a decent roster(30 v 30 could do it), Tilbaut is really just a waiting game.

The squid sieges were fun and on the last one, it was a "close" battle.(out geared defenders with a better defense position)
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Bryggan on May 31, 2015, 10:02:29 pm
I was at that WoTN siege at Tilbault.  Found the perfect spot for a catapult, and made it safe from ranged.  Then someone drove a siege tower in front of me, and once that was clear I got about 2 shots at the castle before the defenders sallied out and easily destroyed it.  Since then I've dreamed of taking the impregnable Tilbault.

But the HCE has no intention of attacking Astralis. Despite their constant rostering against us, I consider them friends.  The steam conversation I had with Moonshine, which was done completely in RP, was just a bit of pissing about which I mistakenly took seriously.

Honestly, the Berserks and me don't mind much about being wiped like we were, we'll get back up and try again. I just personally find all this shit the HCE is spouting to be so god damn stupid, don't play the good guy when you're playing the same game and just as low. (Which I don't consider low at all, just part of the game)

Good to see you realize you are playing a war game, and in war risks are taken and don't always succeed.  While we do want more players involved, we're not going to coddle them and share nicely and give everyone a participation award.  Voncrow sees through our bullshit- we are a warlike nation- we love wars, we love to fight, and we love to crush our enemies.  But we gotta be nice on the forums and try show we are good guys so we can get roster support.

But here's the shocker- almost everyone playing is a good guy.  I've been on most Team Speaks, and found everyone to be quite amusing.  Acre, Squids, Wardens, Berserks- all seemed quite cool.  So, as usual, I'll plead for even rosters and decent battle times.  We want to earn our victories.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 31, 2015, 10:08:39 pm
But the HCE has no intention of attacking Astralis. Despite their constant rostering against us, I consider them friends.  The steam conversation I had with Moonshine, which was done completely in RP, was just a bit of pissing about which I mistakenly took seriously.

But, it's pretty much only me who signs up? I think there was 5 of us for the berzerk battle that they gearbugged themselves.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on May 31, 2015, 11:02:21 pm
I don't think anyone would enjoy attacking Tilbaut. Just to hard(especially with the LOW low rosters.) WOTN tried and it was like 10 v 15. Was so, so boring. I do miss the old Squid sieges we had.

Everybody keeps saying nostalgic stuff like this. Why aren't the battles now just as fun? There is still 20-30 ppl on either side in the battles i've fought so far.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Sharpe on May 31, 2015, 11:23:06 pm
Everybody keeps saying nostalgic stuff like this. Why aren't the battles now just as fun? There is still 20-30 ppl on either side in the battles i've fought so far.

Battles use to be 50v50, and tactics were somewhat successfully used due to a huge number of organized clans.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Balikar on May 31, 2015, 11:39:35 pm

Edit: also this is pretty hilarious coming from the person who was demanding land and stuff from the HCE and then the second my army rolls up outside your castle you start begging Bryggan to not attack you(I wasn't going to anyways).

Idiocy knows no bounds.  Bryggan told me the day of the RP, 'don't attack or declare war for at least a few days..'  I obliged.

Saw your army moving out of the Eastern plateau, and asked Bryggan what was up.  He said you were going for Mazigh, and not the castle.  Again, not a big deal.  The ONLY reason I wanted to know was so that I could PREP the castle if you were going to attack, especially since no formal declaration had been made.  Then, you show up at the castle's doorstep.  Things that make you go hmm.  Given your history, I wouldn't put it past you. 

Hence forward, Moonshine is now a member of Bootleggers.  The Bootleggers hereby declare war upon the HCE.  You want that castle?  Go for it.  It's undefended.  Should bring back some nostalgia for ya.  Stark prowess, at it's finest. 
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 01, 2015, 01:25:25 am
Wow. We just witnessed a declaration of war? 'Tis a bold move  :shock:
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 01, 2015, 02:04:40 am
Everybody keeps saying nostalgic stuff like this. Why aren't the battles now just as fun? There is still 20-30 ppl on either side in the battles i've fought so far.

I'll give you a battle link so you can see what I mean.

Fun:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1285
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1295
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1313
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1346
and...probably the BEST offensive against this castle.(and when we were WAY undergeared)
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=2957

Versus the "last days" of strat:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=3248
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Voncrow on June 01, 2015, 02:15:52 am
I was at that WoTN siege at Tilbault.  Found the perfect spot for a catapult, and made it safe from ranged.  Then someone drove a siege tower in front of me, and once that was clear I got about 2 shots at the castle before the defenders sallied out and easily destroyed it.  Since then I've dreamed of taking the impregnable Tilbault.

That was tornkik btw, I show up a bit late to my embarrassment, I see someone totally misusing a small siege tower and try to help. Out of no where tornkik comes out of no where and starts nudging me, telling me how she plans to the round the siege tower. One of the weirder battles I've been to this strat, along with the British Ladderless assault on Curaw and the Berserk extreme bugged assault of Kelredan. Good times.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 01, 2015, 02:43:53 am
I'll give you a battle link so you can see what I mean.

Fun:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1285
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1295
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1313
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1346
and...probably the BEST offensive against this castle.(and when we were WAY undergeared)
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=2957

Versus the "last days" of strat:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=3248

Jesus Christ. I now see why recent battles seem a bit dull to you veterans. Although they still are fun IMO  :)
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Voncrow on June 01, 2015, 03:08:15 am
Jesus Christ. I now see why recent battles seem a bit dull to you veterans. Although they still are fun IMO  :)

They still don't compare to past strat battles where you actually had people competing for slots on the roster, where you had to sign up early and be in ts or you'd lose your slot, or you did anyway because a good player signed up and took your place. Those were the good times.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 01, 2015, 03:12:06 am
They still don't compare to past strat battles where you actually had people competing for slots on the roster, where you had to sign up early and be in ts or you'd lose your slot, or you did anyway because a good player signed up and took your place. Those were the good times.

Lol, wow, I'm actually glad its not THAT crowded anymore, since I almost never use teamspeak.  :lol:

Although that does sound like it would make for some epic battles.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: njames89 on June 01, 2015, 03:26:59 am
Yeah that is actually true. There was a point where it was hard for myself and Axeman to get into battles early in our strat careers. I think we will see rosters get back up to 40v40 easily for good strat battles in na this summer. These tournaments are gonna bring in a lot of players new and old for sure!
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 01, 2015, 03:38:50 am
Yeah that is actually true. There was a point where it was hard for myself and Axeman to get into battles early in our strat careers. I think we will see rosters get back up to 40v40 easily for good strat battles in na this summer. These tournaments are gonna bring in a lot of players new and old for sure!

Darn, summer is the one time of year I can't play warband because I go to CO for 2 months.... and I don't have a portable laptop  :cry:

Oh well, hopefully some of those players stick around long enough for me to encounter them next winter  :D
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: njames89 on June 01, 2015, 03:50:27 am
Darn, summer is the one time of year I can't play warband because I go to CO for 2 months.... and I don't have a portable laptop  :cry:

Oh well, hopefully some of those players stick around long enough for me to encounter them next winter  :D

I think the community population has been a lot more constant lately. Who knows we might see consistent 48-50 players each side like eu come end of summer!
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 01, 2015, 03:56:24 am
Yeah that is actually true. There was a point where it was hard for myself and Axeman to get into battles early in our strat careers. I think we will see rosters get back up to 40v40 easily for good strat battles in na this summer. These tournaments are gonna bring in a lot of players new and old for sure!

Cause you suck without armor *badumtish* :wink:
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on June 01, 2015, 04:00:39 am
Idiocy knows no bounds.  Bryggan told me the day of the RP, 'don't attack or declare war for at least a few days..'  I obliged.

Saw your army moving out of the Eastern plateau, and asked Bryggan what was up.  He said you were going for Mazigh, and not the castle.  Again, not a big deal.  The ONLY reason I wanted to know was so that I could PREP the castle if you were going to attack, especially since no formal declaration had been made.  Then, you show up at the castle's doorstep.  Things that make you go hmm.  Given your history, I wouldn't put it past you. 

Hence forward, Moonshine is now a member of Bootleggers.  The Bootleggers hereby declare war upon the HCE.  You want that castle?  Go for it.  It's undefended.  Should bring back some nostalgia for ya.  Stark prowess, at it's finest.

You've owned the castle for how long and it has no gear? And you are calling me an idiot?
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 01, 2015, 04:21:48 am
You've owned the castle for how long and it has no gear? And you are calling me an idiot?

Probably cause I horded all the gear for astralis. I'm a Greedy Jew. :twisted:
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 01, 2015, 04:26:21 am
Probably cause I horded all the gear for astralis. I'm a Greedy Jew. :twisted:

LOL wow well at least hes honest  :lol:
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Sharpe on June 01, 2015, 05:20:48 am
LOL wow well at least hes honest  :lol:

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There is no such thing as an honest jew.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Voncrow on June 01, 2015, 09:21:40 am
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Come on sharpe, haven't you been crutching that meme a bit too much lately.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Sharpe on June 01, 2015, 12:22:52 pm
Come on sharpe, haven't you been crutching that meme a bit too much lately.

As much as you crutch on str bruh.
Title: Re: HCE should have cancelled the battle against the Berzserks
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on June 01, 2015, 12:44:55 pm
As much as you crutch on str bruh.
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