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Title: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Panos_ on April 03, 2015, 11:59:10 am
1. Fix the team balance
2. Remove fog/rain
3. Remove the early flags
4. Fix the class balance
5. Merge EU1/EU2
6. Daily server restarts
7. Persuade the Germans to give more money to Greece.
8. Profit
9. Profit
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: _GTX_ on April 03, 2015, 12:03:14 pm
1. Fix the team balance
2. Remove fog/rain
3. Remove the early flags
4. Fix the class balance
5. Merge EU1/EU2
6. Daily server restarts
7. Persuade the Germans to give more money to Greece.
8. Profit
9. Profit

A greek talking about profits, hahahahaha.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Panos_ on April 03, 2015, 12:05:51 pm
A greek talking about profits, hahahahaha.

is that the best you can do?
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Molly on April 03, 2015, 12:10:59 pm
To be fair, it is the first thing that comes to mind. Tho I agree, it lacks creativity :D
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: _GTX_ on April 03, 2015, 12:14:47 pm
To be fair, it is the first thing that comes to mind. Tho I agree, it lacks creativity :D
You can't beat the classics. Don't fix what aren't broken!

Anyway EU_2 is mostly dead anyway, so i don't see why not.

Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Austrian on April 03, 2015, 12:33:46 pm
I agree on point 7.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: DonNicko on April 03, 2015, 12:37:36 pm
Point 7 to top
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on April 03, 2015, 12:40:50 pm
1. Ban Panos - restarts forum drama and everyone plays game again just to spam EU1 with 'FREE PANOS'
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Panos_ on April 03, 2015, 12:46:41 pm


pls no, already sold both my kidneys for new cd keys.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Grumbs on April 03, 2015, 12:59:46 pm
1. Fix the team balance
2. Remove fog/rain
3. Remove the early flags
4. Fix the class balance
5. Merge EU1/EU2
6. Daily server restarts
7. Persuade the Germans to give more money to Greece.
8. Profit
9. Profit

1- Yes
2 - Never gonna happen or would have been tweaked already
3 - I'm easy either way
4 - Need more detail on this ("fix" in what way). Nerf ranged imo
5 - People who like siege don't necessarily like Battle and vice versa. Alternating between battle and siege on one server will just mean people quit when the map type they don't like comes on, rather than stay for a few maps
6 - Not gonna happen or would have already

I'll add my own:

7 - Take measures to encourages people to retire and get into the grind again - this is something that keeps people on the servers. In particular reduce STF level and possibly add more rewards for retiring (cosmetic maybe, like unique weapon unlocks when you hit retire milestones)
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Leshma on April 03, 2015, 02:56:01 pm
1. Fix the team balance

Do they know how to revert it? Think that further messing with formula will create even more issues.

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2. Remove fog/rain

Not gonna happen but I support both.

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3. Remove the early flags

Yes! This was actually implemented because of that douchebag Hate_More and similar players. Because it is easier to code restrictive game mechanics such as flags than banning few douchebags.

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4. Fix the class balance

Average Vangayrd member: Game is perfectly balanced.

So yeah...

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5. Merge EU1/EU2

At this point it could work but I fear that it could also backfire. What if, after a month or two, we came to a point where combined EU1/EU2 pop during primetime is 30 players?

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6. Daily server restarts

Didn't happen in a long time and probably not going to happen.

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7. Persuade the Germans to give more money to Greece.

Yeah right. They specifically created Fourth Reich called European Union with a goal to steal money from every other European country. Probably planned by einstein and friends back in 1940s as plan B if blitzkrieg tactics fail and they lose the war. And you expect them to give anything back? You wish...

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8. Profit

Where?

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9. Profit

Dude, how about you give me some of that money so I can buy proper PC? Since you are bragging about it, it must be you have lotsa...
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Arthur_ on April 03, 2015, 03:12:00 pm
1. Fix the team balance = Yes
2. Remove fog/rain = No
3. Remove the early flags = No
4. Fix the class balance = Yes
5. Merge EU1/EU2 = No
6. Daily server restarts = Yes
7. Persuade the Germans to give more money to Greece. = Optional
8. Profit
9. Profit
10. Nerf throwing
11. Remove Krems
12. More profit
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: pogosan on April 03, 2015, 03:14:11 pm
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: bagge on April 03, 2015, 06:05:58 pm
Remove DTV
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Porthos on April 03, 2015, 06:34:03 pm
6. Daily server restarts
This is the only reason why I don't play anymore. I still love this game, and every fucking day I join EU servers, hoping to play some c-rpg, but all I get is the weird delay lag with the people teleporting through each other and swings coming out of nowhere :(
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Prinz_Karl on April 03, 2015, 06:46:12 pm
Right now there's almost always more ranged than infantry, seriously? I don't think it's necessarily the class being OP (although everyone playing it has OP build)  but the MASS of ranged. It's making crpg a pain for everyone not playing ranged. Please don't everyone go ranged, or the only way possible to fix it is nerf.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: SP1N on April 03, 2015, 06:47:41 pm
7 - Take measures to encourages people to retire and get into the grind again - this is something that keeps people on the servers. In particular reduce STF level and possibly add more rewards for retiring (cosmetic maybe, like unique weapon unlocks when you hit retire milestones)

Grumbs just nailed it. "Imbalance" and whining aren't the reason people have quit playing, they've quit playing because after a few matches on a STF you already have your fill.
I like the increased level balance overall, but there's almost no reason to ever grind a character from ground up now.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: DKNhz on April 03, 2015, 07:24:45 pm
1. Insert
2. Something
3. About
4. Krems
5. Here
6. And
7. Shed
8. Tears
9. Profit
10. Profit
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Grumbs on April 03, 2015, 07:58:09 pm
Right now there's almost always more ranged than infantry, seriously? I don't think it's necessarily the class being OP (although everyone playing it has OP build)  but the MASS of ranged. It's making crpg a pain for everyone not playing ranged. Please don't everyone go ranged, or the only way possible to fix it is nerf.

Well the downsides to taking a ranged weapon are pretty small. Melee isn't a very clearly defined class
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 06, 2015, 07:59:02 pm
1. Fix the team balance
Been working fine recently for me.
2. Remove fog/rain
Wont happen. Rolling strength build to not be bothered with rain, RQ each time it rains and im playing AGI.
3. Remove the early flags
Love em, changed gameplay up for more fast paced fighting and decreases individual corner camping untill minute 1. Also stops archer chases, cav cowards and agiwhores for delaying.
4. Fix the class balance
Not sure what needs fixing except 2h buff (revert thrust change). Maybe some individual weapons that are junktier (like long awlpike, sucks compared to ranseur/spetum/coreqsue because of its weight). Average gravy post, surprise. Need more detail on what needs fixing so i can spend more time elaborating why it doesnt.
5. Merge EU1/EU2
Yus please, playing through one map of a certain gamemode wont make people RQ, especially if theres way more players on.
6. Daily server restarts
I thought this was already a thing, but the server is getting toasted anyways and eu1 is like china1, please fix.
7. Persuade the Germans to give more money to Greece.
Work for it.
8. Profit
Debatable
9. Profit
Ask again later.

Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: McKli_PL on April 07, 2015, 09:15:32 am
1. Fix the team balance
(easy, just make script based on wpf so class split should be nice on both teams [pewpewers,2h,1h,cav etc])
2. Remove fog/rain
and fucking night!!!(or give me console command to remove night effect  for 4 looms, pvt msg if someone can do it)
3. Remove the early flags
(first round with fast flags are sometimes fun, but in next rounds should be fixed due to better teamplay)
4. Fix the class balance
(same wpf formula)
5. Merge EU1/EU2
(yea, remove siege mode and just put some good conquest maps on eu1 with max 30min)
6. Daily server restarts
(its should be main,major,biggest KURWA priority now for admins, fuck new weapons, fuck patches,fuck new animations when serwer is 'floating' loosing packets to clients[players])
9. Profit
(increase gold and xp on eu1[x5,x10,x15,x20 and x50!!! fuck why not maybe it will be a nice solution, for a better teamplay[valor not included for x50])
(remove dtv- nope,nope burn in hell and die on tyfus,best 'serwer' when u don't want to get ban and cool off from no brains on other serwers:) just add more gold on eu1, and maybe if some admin is skilled enough in coding(or got more free time)to make better statistic web, i mean like on Cod serwer's or Cs serwers, your biggest nemesies, your score vs other players, your favorite weapons and weap's your getting rekt, where ur hitting/get hit in% (head,torso,limbs etc)
(remove Krems- NEVAHHH!!! attack! :lol:
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Imperious on April 07, 2015, 03:09:15 pm
1. Fix the team balance
(easy, just make script based on wpf so class split should be nice on both teams [pewpewers,2h,1h,cav etc])
2. Remove fog/rain
and fucking night!!!(or give me console command to remove night effect  for 4 looms, pvt msg if someone can do it)
3. Remove the early flags
(first round with fast flags are sometimes fun, but in next rounds should be fixed due to better teamplay)
4. Fix the class balance
(same wpf formula)
5. Merge EU1/EU2
(yea, remove siege mode and just put some good conquest maps on eu1 with max 30min)
6. Daily server restarts
(its should be main,major,biggest KURWA priority now for admins, fuck new weapons, fuck patches,fuck new animations when serwer is 'floating' loosing packets to clients[players])

9. Profit
(increase gold and xp on eu1[x5,x10,x15,x20 and x50!!! fuck why not maybe it will be a nice solution, for a better teamplay[valor not included for x50])
(remove dtv- nope,nope burn in hell and die on tyfus,best 'serwer' when u don't want to get ban and cool off from no brains on other serwers:) just add more gold on eu1, and maybe if some admin is skilled enough in coding(or got more free time)to make better statistic web, i mean like on Cod serwer's or Cs serwers, your biggest nemesies, your score vs other players, your favorite weapons and weap's your getting rekt, where ur hitting/get hit in% (head,torso,limbs etc)

(remove Krems- NEVAHHH!!! attack! :lol:



DO DAT
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Kalp on April 07, 2015, 03:30:00 pm
 :lol:
They are working on MB and you expect miracles ?
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Kalp on April 07, 2015, 03:37:24 pm
Not gonna happen, Bond is immortal.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Byrdi on April 07, 2015, 04:04:19 pm
WTF I never thought I would agree so much with Panos.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Bronto on April 07, 2015, 04:24:04 pm
No Mr Bond I expect you to die

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Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Franke on April 07, 2015, 08:33:55 pm
Persuade the Germans to give more money to Greece.
=>  Profit
Not gonna work, we already tried it, they won't pay it back.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Elio on April 07, 2015, 09:46:32 pm
Remove DTV

You should rejoice that DTV exists, we keep all the leechers of Calradia.
How about remove fun from cRPG? Because this's what you ask.
Anyway most people playing DTV would never go back to Battle, this is my case. And when Eu7 is full I don't play at all even if this lasts the whole day.

Because DTV is fun. (mostly)
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 07, 2015, 10:49:26 pm
DTV should definitely not be removed, but should be nerfed so that the hardcore grinders would be herded into battle/siege instead.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: bagge on April 08, 2015, 08:18:13 am
How about remove fun from cRPG?

lol'd
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Hellsing on April 08, 2015, 11:05:49 am
I agree with some Panos points, like merge and shit, would be nice.
Also like Franke said, the money is sold out.

I feel like Elio. DTV is the only funny mode for years now to come back to.. Some nice slaughter with a couple of guys who never change (or at least it feels like this).. Some sparing with bots, some chatting, a good time at all.. Just fun, not this "rage-fun".. I can't stand this :mad:
So yeah decrease rewards or start filling hre_dtv again :lol:

-Hellsing

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Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Siiem on April 08, 2015, 11:14:02 am
Null & void. Nothing will bring back the golden days.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Vibe on April 08, 2015, 11:43:06 am
maybe if all these shitpostingh fucks would stop spamming the forum with their useless thereads and psots then mybe and play instead then maybe we woudl get more players on EU1.look at all these forums warriors, how aobut u all just play the fucking geame instead and stop littering the intenret with your useless opinions and content.just look at xant lol.worst person ive ever had the displeasure of witnessing.maybe if he stopped vomiting on the fucking forums and just played the game then the mod and forums would be a much nicer place.and this is just one of the many.i feel like 75 percent of the playerbnase turned to stupid child forum warriors.just play the fkn game and stop thrashing the itnernet with your fedora wearing empty heads
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: LEKIS on April 08, 2015, 12:20:30 pm
maybe if all these shitpostingh fucks would stop spamming the forum with their useless thereads and psots then mybe and play instead then maybe we woudl get more players on EU1.look at all these forums warriors, how aobut u all just play the fucking geame instead and stop littering the intenret with your useless opinions and content.just look at xant lol.worst person ive ever had the displeasure of witnessing.maybe if he stopped vomiting on the fucking forums and just played the game then the mod and forums would be a much nicer place.and this is just one of the many.i feel like 75 percent of the playerbnase turned to stupid child forum warriors.just play the fkn game and stop thrashing the itnernet with your fedora wearing empty heads

Cya later on EU1 sweetie :)

Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Siiem on April 08, 2015, 05:09:49 pm
maybe if all these shitpostingh fucks would stop spamming the forum with their useless thereads and psots then mybe and play instead then maybe we woudl get more players on EU1.look at all these forums warriors, how aobut u all just play the fucking geame instead and stop littering the intenret with your useless opinions and content.just look at xant lol.worst person ive ever had the displeasure of witnessing.maybe if he stopped vomiting on the fucking forums and just played the game then the mod and forums would be a much nicer place.and this is just one of the many.i feel like 75 percent of the playerbnase turned to stupid child forum warriors.just play the fkn game and stop thrashing the itnernet with your fedora wearing empty heads

How are you sure Xant, beeing here is not Finlands way of keeping him off of the streets?
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: bagge on April 08, 2015, 05:20:20 pm
maybe if all these shitpostingh fucks would stop spamming the forum with their useless thereads and psots then mybe and play instead then maybe we woudl get more players on EU1.look at all these forums warriors, how aobut u all just play the fucking geame instead and stop littering the intenret with your useless opinions and content.just look at xant lol.worst person ive ever had the displeasure of witnessing.maybe if he stopped vomiting on the fucking forums and just played the game then the mod and forums would be a much nicer place.and this is just one of the many.i feel like 75 percent of the playerbnase turned to stupid child forum warriors.just play the fkn game and stop thrashing the itnernet with your fedora wearing empty heads

Quality post. Well done sir :wink:
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 13, 2015, 05:06:30 pm
Auto balance is broken, i have experienced it now. During low population its most notable, when a team is 5 players less. I for one love when im stacking with a couple of clannies, and we get to be on the lower end (guise we are 6 less, lets fucking DO THIS), but when balance decides to put us on the side with more players and its a roflstomp i feel disgusted and am kind of forced to change to a native banner. If something could be changed so that stacks would always be put on the team with less players, while single banners will get put on a larger team..
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: lombardsoup on April 13, 2015, 05:30:40 pm
maybe if all these shitpostingh fucks would stop spamming the forum with their useless thereads and psots then mybe and play instead then maybe we woudl get more players on EU1.look at all these forums warriors, how aobut u all just play the fucking geame instead and stop littering the intenret with your useless opinions and content.just look at xant lol.worst person ive ever had the displeasure of witnessing.maybe if he stopped vomiting on the fucking forums and just played the game then the mod and forums would be a much nicer place.and this is just one of the many.i feel like 75 percent of the playerbnase turned to stupid child forum warriors.just play the fkn game and stop thrashing the itnernet with your fedora wearing empty heads

Shitposting is a part of this community, reread the rules

Actually it'll for the most part stop once M:BG is released in a playable form.  Until then, enjoy the cesspit
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Xant on April 13, 2015, 05:58:21 pm
Shitposting is a part of this community, reread the rules

Actually it'll for the most part stop once M:BG is released in a playable form.  Until then, enjoy the cesspit
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Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: woody on April 13, 2015, 06:00:12 pm
No EU2 anymore and EU1 is full of ganking and ranged. I can only play it for 15 mins before getting bored. Plus about 20% of the players now just want to piss around and not try at all which makes it pretty unbalanced. Think my time in this mod is ending.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 13, 2015, 06:16:23 pm
No EU2 anymore and EU1 is full of ganking and ranged. I can only play it for 15 mins before getting bored. Plus about 20% of the players now just want to piss around and not try at all which makes it pretty unbalanced. Think my time in this mod is ending.

How can you complain about ganking in a game like this? Seems very out of place.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Zeltino on April 13, 2015, 06:19:56 pm
No EU2 anymore and EU1 is full of ganking and ranged. I can only play it for 15 mins before getting bored. Plus about 20% of the players now just want to piss around and not try at all which makes it pretty unbalanced. Think my time in this mod is ending.

this v

How can you complain about ganking in a game like this? Seems very out of place.

And if you dont want to get 'ganked' you should either learn to play with your team or go to eu3
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: woody on April 13, 2015, 10:36:35 pm
Only way to rely on teammates is if they are clanmates on a ts with you. Otherwise you run into 5 v 5s and its you versus 5. And if you rely on Krems when you are on their side you are insane.

I've played with and without people on TS etc and its a completely different game. However on siege you can solo it since people have more common goals and work together more.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 13, 2015, 10:42:11 pm
Only way to rely on teammates is if they are clanmates on a ts with you. Otherwise you run into 5 v 5s and its you versus 5. And if you rely on Krems when you are on their side you are insane.

I've played with and without people on TS etc and its a completely different game. However on siege you can solo it since people have more common goals and work together more.

Truth. Its something i will never learn, i always expect people do the basic strategies on maps, walk as a group on the most common path to instant fighting. It barely ever happens these days, and i find myself alone with some few people and then get steamrolled by the other side.

Also you dont rely on Krems, you rely on the rest of the team to make up for the krems players on your team. Ive seen krems play well when they want to, but then the majority of the time when i get balanced on krems team it feels like its lost before it has even begun. Unless you got a really strong lineup, you wont be able to make up for the krems sitting in spawn behind a siege shield trying to make conversations with the Q menu.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Leshma on April 13, 2015, 11:03:04 pm
If you want to know who is good player and who is only getting lucky most of the time, just team up with said player. Good players never fuck up 2vs1 situations, because they are smart enough to swing at different directions at the same time. Two good players are capable to create havoc and kill ten or more bad enemy players.

TS surely helps but teamplay works without it, if you have genuinely good cRPG player by your side.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Algarn on April 14, 2015, 12:30:13 am
Fix autobalance by adding class balance, make banners go on the second plan. I'd give so much to not get into that defeat-win-defeat cycle everytime I play. Also, half of the time, 10 players are missing, you're fucked in a mandatory way unless the whole team is good at teamplaying and at defending a good position (never happens, lol).

On another hand, the servers need to be fixed, they were fine yesterday, but people today had ping, lags, and the feeling that these problems won't go, ever.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Leshma on April 14, 2015, 12:44:52 am
Is it too much to ask to enable this new extra XP we are getting after round ends? Will certainly drive people away from DTV.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: woody on April 16, 2015, 05:35:04 pm
Last few times I tried EU1 its been horribly laggy anyway.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on April 16, 2015, 05:52:10 pm
Fix autobalance by adding class balance, make banners go on the second plan.
Hahaha poor mercs, must be hard to have all the ranged my old friends...  :cry: Live with it!
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 16, 2015, 06:06:29 pm
You want to become a real cynic, play a full rotation with 0 athletics and no TS. If the teammates around you decide to S-key or run into cover you are screwed and everyone knows it!

That being said i enjoyed 0 athletics, it gave a more exaggerated picture of footwork and teamplay in terms of how mobs of players move. Some 'good' players are very experienced and solid teammates even without TS though, even if they won't save you they'll use your death to get some sweet kills, whilst others may waste the opportunity when seeking backstabs elsewhere.

Oh i know the feel, personally i couldnt handle it for long, wouldnt go below 5 athl anymore. Best choice ive found is to wait untill the fightings really gotten started, then join in. Optimally you would want to take the very front as a tank but team is just never reliable unless you have a stack of some sorts.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Kidduis on April 16, 2015, 06:30:07 pm
Hahaha poor mercs, must be hard to have all the ranged my old friends...  :cry: Live with it!

Haha damn Nerdguard QQ'ing
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Leshma on April 16, 2015, 07:27:48 pm
It is hilarious when Rufio complains about ranged, being Vanguard, while every balancer is Vanguard member. He should talk with them about it.
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Mammonist on April 16, 2015, 09:15:03 pm
looms plz
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Gurnisson on April 16, 2015, 09:30:34 pm
Yes, I trust Rufio not to be biased. huehue

Tor, Muffin and Lezard best teammates for ganks, be it with or without ts. :)
Title: Re: Follow this steps and EU1 will lighten up.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 16, 2015, 09:40:40 pm
Chase and Teeth best ganker mates. And they also joined the big fights, not just hiding on the outskirts looking for duels, amazing right? Everyone plays eu1 like a solo game these days, god it pisses me off.