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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Tristan on January 08, 2011, 11:42:32 pm
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One of the greatest things with the new patch is the banner balance that allows clanmates to play with each other. Never have I seen so much tactic as when people on teamspeak work together and fight. It has been GREAT.
But it is not without problems. One is actual round balance which I will not discuss here, this is another topic.
However another problem have arised. People take certain banners to play with them *cough*mercs*cough*.
personally random dudes as well have used "our" banner in my clan.
I have two suggestions which have been discussed on the irc channel, that I believe need more consideration.
BOth of them requires that actual factions like them in strategus will be established within cRPG char page. If this is impossible both points are void.
Both suggestions require that players use these factions or a public faction.
1) First option is that only members of a certain faction within cRPG have acces to X banner. Hence allow the banner balance to sort by banners, as only people of Y clan have access to X banner.
1a) Problem is.. who decides who gets a banner? Leiknir suggest that only those who own fiefs in strategus gets one. I disagree. I believe those who yelled first gets it. Ad Necrias custom banner list is as good as any.
2) That the autobalance checks the factions on cRPG. I don't know if this is possible, but this would prevent the battle of banners.
What you think?
1) First option is to reserve cert
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+1
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banners need to be decided on the db, which changes your char's banner, and banners can be claimed by clans. that gets rid of nubs trying to always get on the winning side. if you're not in that clan, you can't use that clan's banner.
there has to be a few non-clan banners of course. really, we need moar banners xD
IRC:
there has to be a seperate banner selection on your character screen on the website, this leaves out strategus and all that. then a clan can claim a banner or something.
claiming through strategus would be a good idea, as we need more clans in strategus. this way mains can claim the banner, and alts can use them
then clans can handout banners to whoever they let have them. maybe a list, or make it a on request basis
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Naa, free banners for free people :P .
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I'd be up for 50% of available banners being dedicated to specific clans on first come first served or strategus landowning basis. As long as 50% are still available for public consumption.
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Hrm. It is true that the teamwork and tactics in game between clans is fun, not to mention HARDCORE, but is also true that to all these individuals not in clans it is unfair. Basically you get like 2 clans on one faction that faction rolls the other faction with random players.
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well, i may probably be the only one who thinks this way, but i think the balance by banner was probably one of the things i most disliked about the patch. I'll keep it plain and simple why.
In a game like this where people NEED gold for upkeep, it gives large clans who have 10-20 people on at a time(ecspecially all on the same server and on a server as small as an 80man server) an unfair advantage(basically farming gold and xp). I've seen this happening lately where people who are clanless or have few clan members on at that time lose 3-6 maps in a row, causing them to lose a lot of gold even though they have cheap equipment.
I know people in clans love playing the game with tactics and teamwork, but a public server is NOT a place to do this. If you have a clan that is large and are teamwork-minded, they need to be playing on a private server, auto-balance off, and seperate teams by their choosing. basically an inter-clan scrimmage if you will.
(possibly invite other clan(s) to join if said clan doesnt want to split grouping)
Btw, i dont think something like an autobalancer like that which was put into place pre-patch would fix this. That is because if you ARE playing tactically and working as a team no one or two people will have the majority of the kills.
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I know people in clans love playing the game with tactics and teamwork, but a public server is NOT a place to do this. If you have a clan that is large and are teamwork-minded, they need to be playing on a private server, auto-balance off, and seperate teams by their choosing. basically an inter-clan scrimmage if you will.
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Don't tell people what to do and they won't tell you where to go. Now go and join a clan (i know you're in one already, tis' just sarcasm).
cRPG servers atm are x10 times more fun than they were before, especially if there is a couple of clans playing on both sides, followed by the (less than before the patch) less organized crowds of random players.
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I guess that the stupid limited banner numbers of Warband would best suit a solution not based on the banner but more like something website related: if you are in a faction list in strategus you got autobalanced with your teammates. That would solve any banners assignment problem, but I don't know if it's tecnhically possible.
Otherwise the awesome chadz helped by the smelly cmpx could do one of their code trick and raise the banner limit.
I trust you guys
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I personally haven't joined a clan because I haven't found an NA clan that flies my banner, and I don't want to have to change my armor (which is also mostly Heraldic). I haven't really gotten involved in Strategus, so I don't know anyone's TS/vent. I just don't have time for Strategus. I never know when I'll be available. Still, I would love to join in some organized cRPG battles. I suppose this feature is nice for clan members, but it has players like me at a real disadvantage. The term "steamroll" comes to mind, and there's no fun in that for me.
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One of the greatest things with the new patch is the banner balance that allows clanmates to play with each other. Never have I seen so much tactic as when people on teamspeak work together and fight. It has been GREAT.
But it is not without problems. One is actual round balance which I will not discuss here, this is another topic.
However another problem have arised. People take certain banners to play with them *cough*mercs*cough*.
personally random dudes as well have used "our" banner in my clan.
I have two suggestions which have been discussed on the irc channel, that I believe need more consideration.
BOth of them requires that actual factions like them in strategus will be established within cRPG char page. If this is impossible both points are void.
Both suggestions require that players use these factions or a public faction.
1) First option is that only members of a certain faction within cRPG have acces to X banner. Hence allow the banner balance to sort by banners, as only people of Y clan have access to X banner.
1a) Problem is.. who decides who gets a banner? Leiknir suggest that only those who own fiefs in strategus gets one. I disagree. I believe those who yelled first gets it. Ad Necrias custom banner list is as good as any.
2) That the autobalance checks the factions on cRPG. I don't know if this is possible, but this would prevent the battle of banners.
What you think?
1) First option is to reserve cert
Well, i rock so it's understandable that people wanna follow us :lol: but well it's stupid that people start switching banner only to be balanced on our side, we usually face or play with clans like drz shogunate and pecores ( some say 22nd start doing things but didn't see them yet ) and well it'd be easier for us to recognize each other and to be on the same side if only us could use our banner
so i'd agree for 1st option, following adnecrias system or only for 10+ members clans
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I personally haven't joined a clan because I haven't found an NA clan that flies my banner, and I don't want to have to change my armor (which is also mostly Heraldic). I haven't really gotten involved in Strategus, so I don't know anyone's TS/vent. I just don't have time for Strategus. I never know when I'll be available. Still, I would love to join in some organized cRPG battles. I suppose this feature is nice for clan members, but it has players like me at a real disadvantage. The term "steamroll" comes to mind, and there's no fun in that for me.
There's nothing stopping you from trying to organize your team.
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okay, i may have overreacted a bit, but it diffenently sucks when 1/4 the server is one clan. :cry:
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I feel it's quite awesome to have multiple squads working together on the servers, autobalance does a quite good job so far, there was always another squad in the enemy team to balance ours out.
I mean, everyone talks about teamplay and stuff, this is the way how it works. Get yourself a squad, do good, the team will follow you, and you will win.
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There's nothing stopping you from trying to organize your team.
I have no team to organize, and no desire to lead anyone but myself. I wouldn't mind being in a clan, but I doubt anyone wants a member that won't follow their uniform code. Ever since Warband's beta, I've been kind of a stubborn loner (in regard to clans, not teammates).
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I don't want restricted banners. It would lead one day to situation where bunch of nobodies claim my banner. No, just NO.
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Naa, free banners for free people :P .
they can take our lives! but they can never take our banners!
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I have been told it is possible to incease the number of banners.
My suggestion is to add a number of banners equal to the clans, making the native banners available for the public (or independant players). The new banners could be the ones Ad Necrias has gathered in his post.
What you think?
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I think it should be implemented, right now.
Banners would still be free, but if new banners were added you could restrict certain banners for clan members. It adds more uniqueness to clans and encourages more clans to be formed, and that's always something positive.
Also, since the database already uses the .dat file (profile file) for name reference etc., you could have similar referencing for the banners. I would assume something like this is doable.
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bump
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We want a christian cross with red color in white background! Dammit when jews and muslims gets banners then the christian crusaders should too! :wink:
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The banner autobalance is a step in the right direction but obviously flawed. What we need is a clan system on cRPG (not necessarily strategus) that folks can join, and on the page have a check box that asks if you want to be auto-balanced with your clan. (or if that's too hard, do it automatically). That would solve all the problems imo.
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Very nice fcc vs ats battles eh :D so much formations. and CRAB CLAW ATTACKS
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Adding my suggestion from here (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,956.msg12126.html):
Make faction tag independent from profile name
Well, I got this idea when I remember this system in BFBC2. This system allow to not change your profile name, when you want to move into another clan/faction, what is much easier. I think this may be usefull and for admins too. So my suggestion:
1) Make an option in cRPG character cabinet, where you can enter and save tag.
2) Tag will be automaticaly shown somewhere near the player name in the game.
3) Similar way prefix/postfix for Strategus
I dont know this system inside, maybe admins could find a better way leading to the same result.
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My guess is there is some people that swap flags to be on some clans side but i can't imagine that its that many, the problem is you start giving away flags to certain clans it narrows the flags down for randoms basically making the random flags into clans of there own, is there really such a big change in flags people are using, or have most these people been using them since they made there char and you've just started noticing more because they do get on you're team?
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My guess is there is some people that swap flags to be on some clans side but i can't imagine that its that many, the problem is you start giving away flags to certain clans it narrows the flags down for randoms basically making the random flags into clans of there own, is there really such a big change in flags people are using, or have most these people been using them since they made there char and you've just started noticing more because they do get on you're team?
I don't see the problem with restricting clan flags/banners to the clans that have claimed them first... what it basicly means is that some random guy/gal/it has to pick something else. Then again what is a random person dooing with a faction banner anyway. I for one wouldent mind factionless people to have NO banner, dunno if people agree on that but it gives others some measure of pride to wear those colours.
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It gave me a good laugh when I saw the first time Joker and some other guys fly the Mercs banner. When I saw run Dima around with it, I thought a bit more serious about it.
There is nothing wrong with people trying to get in the team with Mercs, because some of them indeed have some sort of skill and therefore your chances to win might be a bit better. I also enjoy playing with some of the Mercs.
However, its not right to "exploit" the system.
Therefore, the way/ suggestion I d like the most is factions (Nord, Rhodocks, Khergit, Sarranid, Swadian) bannner for the independant/ clanless/ small clan members, own custom banner only for factions that own at least a castle (or maybe town only) in Strategus.
Hint: Mercs hire.
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im curious on how you are going to enforce this?
how are you going to prevent first time players from selecting a banner they think is "cool" and ultimately being punished for it.
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im curious on how you are going to enforce this?
how are you going to prevent first time players from selecting a banner they think is "cool" and ultimately being punished for it.
Are you aware of a thing called "coding"? It makes wonders.
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I guess that the stupid limited banner numbers of Warband would best suit a solution not based on the banner but more like something website related: if you are in a faction list in strategus you got autobalanced with your teammates. That would solve any banners assignment problem, but I don't know if it's tecnhically possible.
Otherwise the awesome chadz helped by the smelly cmpx could do one of their code trick and raise the banner limit.
I trust you guys
This is by far the best and easiest solution in my opinion.