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Title: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 11:41:45 am
So I put together a new PC.

It's all going well. Looks good, cabling is nice and tidy, fits in my desk really well.

Final stage, attach graphics card.

It does not fit...

I got a Corsair Air 240 Mini ATX case, looks great and has excellent airflow but unfortunately it's slightly too small for the MSI GTX 970 Twin Frozr V or the Asus Strix variant. I can close the case but some pipes on the card cause it to not fit properly and leaves it bulging slightly which isn't going to be good for the card or the case over time. Problem is the MSI is generally considered to be the best version of the 970 about plus it looks cool. The case is less important but a hell of a lot more work to swap out.

The decision is this: Do I exchange the MSI card for the less awesome EVGA Superclocked or swap the case for something like a Bitfenix Colossus M.

It's a fucking pain in the arse cos no official channels stated that this was a problem between the two, Corsair's site stated that it's fine with up to 280mm cards (which is also wrong you can get bigger in there without issues) but nothing about the width and MSI said nothing about the pipes sticking out.

It's like 4mm too small. Fuck sake.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Vibe on March 07, 2015, 11:51:53 am
What kind of silly question is this, don't be lazy and change the case.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Utrakil on March 07, 2015, 12:12:53 pm
Get some tinner's snips. cut open the case where it is to small. get some sheet, bend it the way you need and rivet it on.
This will give your case a unique look. And you get the geekaward from your friends.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: darmaster on March 07, 2015, 12:25:55 pm
That is definitely a motherboard problem; I'd say change the cpu cooler
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Molly on March 07, 2015, 01:12:45 pm
Quote from: Utrakil on March 07, 2015, 12:12:53 pm
Get some tinner's snips. cut open the case where it is to small. get some sheet, bend it the way you need and rivet it on.
This will give your case a unique look. And you get the geekaward from your friends.
This actually if you're somewhat talented in easy metalworks.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 01:14:18 pm
Yeah.. I'm not.

At all.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Thomek on March 07, 2015, 01:14:54 pm
Quote from: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 11:41:45 am
So I put together a new PC.

It's all going well. Looks good, cabling is nice and tidy, fits in my desk really well.

Final stage, attach graphics card.

It does not fit...

I got a Corsair Air 240 Mini ATX case, looks great and has excellent airflow but unfortunately it's slightly too small for the MSI GTX 970 Twin Frozr V or the Asus Strix variant. I can close the case but some pipes on the card cause it to not fit properly and leaves it bulging slightly which isn't going to be good for the card or the case over time. Problem is the MSI is generally considered to be the best version of the 970 about plus it looks cool. The case is less important but a hell of a lot more work to swap out.

The decision is this: Do I exchange the MSI card for the less awesome EVGA Superclocked or swap the case for something like a Bitfenix Colossus M.

It's a fucking pain in the arse cos no official channels stated that this was a problem between the two, Corsair's site stated that it's fine with up to 280mm cards (which is also wrong you can get bigger in there without issues) but nothing about the width and MSI said nothing about the pipes sticking out.

It's like 4mm too small. Fuck sake.

Cut some holes for the graphic card in the side :D and u get a hotrod like this: 
(click to show/hide)

Go for it, fix it urself. You'll need some tools in life eventually if you don't have. :D
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 07, 2015, 01:38:35 pm
I think you need to buy a new computer, completely new. Its clearly broken by your description. I recommend Alienware, a true gamers computer.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Dalhi on March 07, 2015, 02:07:25 pm
Change the case, it's fugly. Also a bit fishy that GPU doesn't suite to the case, in specificacion they claim that it supports full length gpu (up to 290 mm). I'd definatly sue them.

Bitfenix Colossus M also might have some issues with installing GPU when you have a bit larger PSU http://benchmarkreviews.com/10007/bitfenix-colossus-m-microatx-computer-case-review/4/

You may want to look for something different, I'd suggest a classic Fractal Design define mini. Great build quality.
Or jump on hype wagon (steam machines) and get someting like Silverstone Raven https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-Tk5uzDA0 , but I guesss you have a matx factor mobo.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 07, 2015, 02:09:37 pm
I know it is the last thing you want people to say to you but it was a poor choice to pick a mini case, man.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 02:44:32 pm
Well I picked a smaller setup cos I'm sick of this huge fucker sitting next to me. Other than the case it's gone well. Considering a switch to a Aerocool DS which looks like it'll fit everything in.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 07, 2015, 02:49:11 pm
I know the feeling. I got a Coooler Master HAF 942. Bastard is like a space shuttle. But it is cool to watch people spectating it in awe when they see it :D
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: lombardsoup on March 07, 2015, 03:36:02 pm
Keep case, exchange you current card for this guy assuming you want to stay 970

http://www.asus.com/us/Graphics_Cards/GTX970DCMOC4GD5/
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 03:43:45 pm
I considered that too, I'm trying to find some comparisons between that the normal one but have had no luck so far.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: lombardsoup on March 07, 2015, 03:50:50 pm
Quote from: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 03:43:45 pm
I considered that too, I'm trying to find some comparisons between that the normal one but have had no luck so far.

There's also this

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5392#ov

Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 03:59:01 pm
As much as I wish I could keep the black and red going I think I'm going to switch to the EVGA full size 970.

Been reading up on some overheating issues with the mITX versions and the EVGA is very slightly behind the MSI in OCing but otherwise is basically the same. Just 3cm shorter.

Thanks for the suggestions dudes.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Molly on March 07, 2015, 04:15:11 pm
Wait, isn't the GTX970 the card with the bullshit memory pipeline where 500MB are actually only half as fast as the other 3.5GB and Nvidia gets sued over in the States?
Nvidia claims it's a feature (which isn't mentioned anywhere).

I'd google that and maybe rethink the card tbh. Might remember it wrong tho...
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 04:22:49 pm
No you're correct but it's still considered one of the best cards around even with that.

Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Dalhi on March 07, 2015, 04:24:21 pm
Yes, and it's not half as fast it's more like 1/7 of bandwidth compered to the rest of its memory  :P I gues they will fix it by drivers if they didn't already and just disable acces to that unfortunate part of memory, so it's just 3,5 GB. Still great GPU
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Utrakil on March 07, 2015, 04:28:45 pm
get a hammer and smack a 4mm dent into the case.
It's just a case. it is nothing but a platearmour for your hardware.
It will do it's job with a dent as good as a new one will.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Grumbs on March 07, 2015, 05:29:36 pm
That case will still be an issue if you upgrade in future, so I'd just get a new case personally.

The actual card could be worth sending back too though with all the bad press it had lately. If I were getting a new rig I'd shell out a bit more and get the 980 or save a bit and get the 960 if thats fast enough. The 970 will probably have bad resale value because of all the controversy, and it might not be as future proof as it seems. Just do a google search and you'll see issues with the card if it tries to use over 3.5gb. Basically the last half a gig is slow and causes stuttering, but the card prefers to only use 3.5gig, so in effect it is a 3.5gig card. Which is plenty it seems, and nothing is faster in that price range. AMD uses lots more power and causes more heat for other components. I have the 970 and its a good card, just don't know how it will fare in future, and it will lose its resale value compared to other cards
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Tiger on March 07, 2015, 05:38:24 pm
You should always check compatability of GPU and motherboard before you buy the parts :o I'd say get a new GPU? Go sell the current GPU to a friend maybe.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 07, 2015, 06:02:19 pm
I did check compatibility and nothing said it wasn't compatible as cases only tend to take length into consideration rather than width which is why I missed it.

As for the resale I'll probably be keeping ahold of it for the next 4-5 years so it will be pretty low value by then anyway so I'm not too concerned.

I do see what you mean about the case being problematic in the future. Thing is it's only been two cards I've seen that have the issue with the height clearance which is the MSI I got and the Asus Strix one so it shouldn't be too bad. Again probably won't upgrade for a good few years so that's something to sort out another time. Besides mITX and mATX cards are becoming more common so it might be a lesser problem then.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on March 07, 2015, 06:02:59 pm
Get a full size case. Any graphics card you buy in the future is going to have the same issue fitting into the case. High end graphics cards are gigantic and that isn't likely to change any time soon.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Kafein on March 08, 2015, 10:49:20 pm
Be a real PC master race hero and buy an open case next time.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 09, 2015, 02:03:01 pm
I'll just spend £3000 and get an Alienware laptop.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Molly on March 09, 2015, 02:30:00 pm
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on March 07, 2015, 06:02:59 pm
Get a full size case. Any graphics card you buy in the future is going to have the same issue fitting into the case. High end graphics cards are gigantic and that isn't likely to change any time soon.
The voice of reason. Minis are shit... get a proper tower.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Senni__Ti on March 09, 2015, 08:16:40 pm
But in minis you get that satisfaction when everything fits just so, especially when the cooling works well too.

Quote from: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 09, 2015, 02:03:01 pm
I'll just spend £3000 and get an Alienware laptop.

I really hope this is a joke, hard to tell on the internet ;).

If you don't plan on OCing and you don't lose anything in the switch ($$), go EVGA or w/e fits.
Easier than taking a computer apart for a new case tbh.

Longterm though, a new case would be better.

Or, if you hate yourself, you can replace the cooling on the GPU with an AIO cooler.
(The temps are nice, but the weekend I lost making it work isn't)
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on March 10, 2015, 08:51:11 pm
Yeah I was taking the piss about the Alienware.

Other than the card it's perfect. Runs well, quiet and it's little, exactly what I was aiming for.

I exchanged the MSI for the EVGA on Amazon, the EVGA arrived the following day and I'm £10 up as it was a slightly cheaper card. No complaints.
Title: Re: Do I change case or GPU?
Post by: Senni__Ti on March 10, 2015, 11:26:48 pm
Make sure to register the card with EVGA ASAP.

They have a weird warranty system.