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Title: This team balance...
Post by: Grumbs on February 25, 2015, 04:57:36 pm
Can't stay on one team for more than a round or 2. People are getting swapped every round so teams are random mess of players even if the team wins/losses are nearly equal

Please revert it asap
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: W0LF on February 25, 2015, 05:05:55 pm
Yes please or at least make it lock clans to a team
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Grumbs on March 02, 2015, 05:00:10 pm
Feels like the second round team shuffle every round. It worked fine before..if a team is getting beat they change tactics or maybe the game could swap 1 guy over once. This just feels like a deathmatch each round with random players on either team
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Leshma on March 02, 2015, 05:22:39 pm
On one map my team won 7 times in a row, but it ended 4-3 :lol:
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 02, 2015, 06:11:56 pm
What's so bad about getting shuffled in teams? I dont mind it at all, as long as the balancing is relatively fair.
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: _GTX_ on March 02, 2015, 06:16:06 pm
Can't stay on one team for more than a round or 2. People are getting swapped every round so teams are random mess of players even if the team wins/losses are nearly equal

Please revert it asap
Being shuffled around is fine, i am completely alright with this, as long as it doesn't just tear clanstacks apart. It's not like there is going to be that much more teamwork, because you play 1 or 2 more rounds with the same team anyway.

The thing that would be completely awful, would be if one team was losing endlessly and it didn't do anything to change that. If it only ever changed 1 guy, when a team was losing drastically, then that would be an issue to me. As long as it's actually doing something to prevent one team from winning every single time, then thats good. Being shuffled around is gladly a price i would pay for more fair teams, instead of one team being demolished round after round, because there is not much gameplay in that.
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Grumbs on March 02, 2015, 06:37:36 pm
What's so bad about getting shuffled in teams? I dont mind it at all, as long as the balancing is relatively fair.

I want to belong to one team, otherwise I feel like I cba.

Tactics go out the window since people don't know the strengths and weakness of each team. Before say one team has a lot of good cav then you take long poles, or if the enemy has a big name player you might group up to take him down because you know where he'll probably go. There is a lack of progression from one round to the next, like its reset to round one each round

It arbitrarily moves people around too. You can be at 3 : 3 but it still swaps people around for the last round. Also feels like you get punished if you do well, especially if there are a bunch of players hardly trying

Only bothered about battle btw, don't really play any other modes
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Thomek on March 02, 2015, 07:05:45 pm
I don't think its supposed to be like now. Will probably be changed/fixed sooner or later :)  (By san I guess.)
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 02, 2015, 07:14:16 pm
There is nothing bad about constant shuffling or even messing up clanstacks. Random teams sounds quite good. It should have been like that all along. Former balance formula was quite frustrating. Sometimes keeping the same people at the same side for rounds and rounds without the slight consideration of even a tiny bit of true "balance".

Keeping things random makes everything more enjoyable. The only things that need fixing are clanstacking, which should be sent to the depths of hell, and fucked up rebalance where more than 5-6 overall top performers are always allocated to the same team.
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 02, 2015, 07:50:55 pm
I want to belong to one team, otherwise I feel like I cba.

Tactics go out the window since people don't know the strengths and weakness of each team. Before say one team has a lot of good cav then you take long poles, or if the enemy has a big name player you might group up to take him down because you know where he'll probably go. There is a lack of progression from one round to the next, like its reset to round one each round

It arbitrarily moves people around too. You can be at 3 : 3 but it still swaps people around for the last round. Also feels like you get punished if you do well, especially if there are a bunch of players hardly trying

Only bothered about battle btw, don't really play any other modes

Cant say ive ever felt team progress ever, usually its the other way around where my team is winning but then people decide to do something different and suddenly we lose. Switching up the teams a lot might prevent people getting bored on one side so they stick with team for a longer time..

Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Leshma on March 02, 2015, 08:40:58 pm
What's so bad about getting shuffled in teams? I dont mind it at all, as long as the balancing is relatively fair.

It is the same as before imho. Sometimes you get a really bad team few rounds in a row, sometimes you get good team. Sometimes you get valor, average multiplier is x4 :D

Still, prefer siege (because my build is better suited for siege).
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Zeltino on March 02, 2015, 08:58:56 pm
balance did this
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Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: protox2k on March 02, 2015, 11:31:53 pm
balance did this
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when bad always bad.
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Grumbs on March 03, 2015, 08:35:19 pm
Seems to have got only worse with the hotfix (or its worse with more players on):

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11 alive guys swapped for the last round. Every round before that had at least 6 visibly swapping over

You can't perfectly balance the teams. Just because a team wins it doesn't mean the teams are unbalanced..people perform differently all the time, and why not allow people time to adapt to the losing scenario? All you do is shift people around for no reason
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Falka on March 03, 2015, 10:37:31 pm
A few minutes ago there was 1 vs 50 a few times in a row, van Boxer breaking the balance like a boss... Balance is totally messed up at the moment.
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Grumbs on March 03, 2015, 11:18:36 pm
Yep 52 vs 1 for a few maps until he left. He was spawning with just gloves I believe, might be why it happened
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: AwesomeHail on March 04, 2015, 12:02:58 am
Yeah, i like the random teaming, but also like SMALL clanstacks, UIF-type clanstacks just suck because they tank and shielderbot their way, even if the individual skill level of some of them is considerably lower than the rest of the enemy team. then its absolutely no fun (happens mostly on siege though)

when on battle and only one guy gets switched and he's in your clan, and you side with 4 and more clanmates in TS to kill him, thats a lot of fun :)
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: DonNicko on March 04, 2015, 07:29:54 am
If people complain about team balance, then make it worse and people will ask to return it back. Tactics for devs)
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: lombardsoup on March 04, 2015, 07:49:02 am
If people complain about team balance, then make it worse and people will ask to return it back. Tactics for devs)

And if people don't come back?
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Grumbs on March 14, 2015, 11:57:22 pm
I think I figured out the balancer..it just tries to unbalance the teams if one team wins, so you have alternating teams winning every round until you get 4:3 at the end. Saw one team go 3:1 and then we got like 10 fewer guys. Pretty ridiculous and kills the fun of battle mode when there is no meaning or consistency to the team. Its actually more fun to just dick around and not try to win
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Angantyr on March 15, 2015, 10:47:50 am
Yes - with teams changing every single round adaption and team tactics are largely left out, annoys me every time I play.
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Grumbs on March 15, 2015, 01:22:26 pm
Some screens of skewing teams to force a win for the losing team:

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Its like a team isn't allowed to win fairly. If i'm on the losing team I want to have to work out how to win, not have the cards all stacked in my favour so I don't even have to try
Title: Re: This team balance...
Post by: Harpag on March 15, 2015, 01:51:33 pm
... UIF-type clanstacks just suck because they tank and shielderbot their way, even if the individual skill level of some of them is considerably lower than the rest of the enemy team. then its absolutely no fun

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