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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 09:10:47 am

Title: I offered my resume.
Post by: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Lol, nice effing patch brehs.

At one point in time, I tossed an offer into IRC to lend my programming skills to the mod. I am currently a senior lead developer on a multi-million dollar FAD (Federal Aerospace and Defense) account. But gawd am I glad chadz was too busy sniffing his own farts in scrubland (Europe).

We in the biz like to deliver quality products, our software is our namesake. This latest patch (among other failures) has really brought forth to the community the professionalism behind the 'Dev Team'.

Just cuz I'm bored I'm gonna throw out a few snazzy phrases/words that we programmers in the professional world use when engaging with customers.

Requirements - One of the most important pieces to the software puzzle. If you don't know what you're building, there is no way to deliver a product to the customer (CRPG Community). Process Architects will visit on site and gather all necessary requirements to please the customer (CRPG Community) and provide them with the most value.
Component Design Documentation - Some form of documentation, most often reviewed with the customer (CRPG Community) to get sign off/acceptance, that shows the desired path to complete the list of requirements, also multiple solutions may be provided with a risk/reward definitions to give the customer (CRPG Community) options on how to proceed.
Development Cycle - Once a solution is approved and work begins, a solid development team is necessary to ensure the proposed solutions will be achieved with a high quality of work.
Use Cases - As part of the requirements gathering, a use case document will be defined as a means to show the solution has successfully achieved a customer (CRPG Community) requirements. For example: Use Case 1: When a user logs into cRPG he is not flooded with texture fail to load errors. Use Case 2: When a user holds left click and drags their mouse back to perform a stab, the animation does not appear to be a turd. Use Case 3: When a user equips a legacy helmet ITS FUCKING MODEL DISPLAYS.
Test Cases - This is where the developers take each use case, and provide a list of steps that can be used within the solution that will achieve a success on the equivalent use case. Problem here is boys this requires TESTING and obviously nobody tested this turd.
End User Acceptance - After your solution is wrapped up in a neat deliverable and shipped off to the customer (CRPG Community), a phase of end user acceptance will occur, where bugs will be reported, and users are trained on the solution. Eventually giving legal signoff that the requirements have been met. It is possible if a turd solution is delivered, those providing the solution via a work contract would be flirting with lawsuits from the customer. Here is the link to the current bug list, as we are unware of any real ticketing service such as JIRA the 'Dev Team' uses: http://forum.melee.org/crpg-technical-problems/4-1-bugs-thread/

Theres a bunch of other processes that occur in the business world, and it varies from company to company, but thats the jist of things. I asked for a subversion link for the cRPG repository JUST TO LOOK, unless I had commit rights I couldn't even fucking touch their source code. But heaven forbid folks attempt to help this flop.

You guys put that flashy ass banner now, 'MELEE BATTLEGROUNDS THE GAME DERPA DERPA', you really want these tainted builds going on your record when you're actually trying to start a gaming company?

Get some processes established, have code reviews, TEST THE FUCKING CODE IN A TEST ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PUSHING IT TO PRODUCTION. It seems like the new guys attempted to appease the customer (CRPG Community) with some of the item adjustments, and thats a good thing we are somewhat being heard, but for fucks sake with this regression. How does a 'mail coif' thats been in the game for years suddenly not display a model? How do you push a production build with 100s of texture load errors.. it looks like you never even launched the game to test it OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN ALL THIS SHIT.

edit: added bug list.. please go here and post bugs so this shit may one day be fixed
TLDR: Learn to run a business/program
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Vibe on February 23, 2015, 09:22:17 am
rofl u mad?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Azuma on February 23, 2015, 10:56:20 am
Lazy to read gadamite but just last lines... +1 Heskey  :lol:
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:22:44 am
Quote from: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 09:10:47 am
We in the biz

 :lol:


Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you don't fit in with chadz crew at all???

Because a) you seem to be an asshole and b) following the established rules of business in the gaming industry is exactly not what this crew is trying to do.


edit: Haha, just read this sentence again: "I tossed an offer into IRC to lend my programming skills to the mod" - What an arrogant piece of shit.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 11:27:53 am
Quote from: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:22:44 am
:lol:


Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you don't fit in with chadz crew at all???

Because a) you seem to be an asshole and b) following the established rules of business in the gaming industry is exactly not what this crew is trying to do.


While I don't really give a fuck about your nonsense, have a read of your OWN last sentence.... They deliver late, broken patches, have little to no understanding of their community nor what their aims and goals should realistically be, cried like little cunts for more money after failing to spend what they were given well or productively, made a semi ok mod, got god-fever, tried to make a game, failed FUCKING EPICLY (I still laugh seeing that KS bid, fuck me get some proffesional standards or even have someone just WATCH it first and tell you no, thats shit, get your head together man), continually break more that they fix and claim they have it all in hand while their "business" collapses all around them.... I would say they are BANG on par with most indie developers. :D
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:29:43 am
Quote from: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 11:27:53 am
While I don't really give a fuck about your nonsense, have a read of your OWN last sentence.... They deliver late, broken patches, have little to no understanding of their community nor what their aims and goals should realistically be, cried like little cunts for more money after failing to spend what they were given well or productively, made a semi ok mod, got god-fever, tried to make a game, failed FUCKING EPICLY (I still laugh seeing that KS bid, fuck me get some proffesional standards or even have someone just WATCH it first and tell you no, thats shit, get your head together man), continually break more that they fix and claim they have it all in hand while their "business" collapses all around them.... I would say they are BANG on par with most indie developers. :D

so? How is that in opposition to what I said?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 11:31:28 am
So they are following the established rules of the industry, in exact opposition to your sentence that I asked you to read, so if you could follow simple directions I wouldn't have to come back and explain everything to you. Geez.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Azuma on February 23, 2015, 11:33:14 am
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Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Dolphin on February 23, 2015, 11:34:34 am
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Op you are expecting this mod to be developed with a specific software development plan like unified process or ?
I honestly dont think this is the case, you are right in using a agile development process which is use case driven would have been a smart choice for modding a game as you are developing on a existing product.

But this is probably trial and error, i would myself have put your anger in a less attacking tone, but you are right in the end.
But i think this critique is to strong, and being a professional you should know that.

What they have done with the game have probably improved their coding and it have been for fun, they have probably startet a great place where to find the passion.
But you are right the should have been test's to reveal missing items, but again CRPG is probably not done with a development process.

But this should have been written in a totally different manner, and this is probably why they did not want this kind of help, no one likes to be talked down.

Edit: Conclusion:
-OP you are right, but saying in a really wrong manner.
-CRPG team Should be using software development process's or techniques.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:36:26 am
Blindy, I was talking talking about pro biz, not Indie...
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:48:20 am
also kooktar, on a more serious matter you absolutely seem to misunderstand how this and most cprg-patches over the last years have been produced. The dev crew mostly have their jobs and in the rest of their time they seem to be working on M:BG, the patches for crpg are almost 100% done by volunteers from this community and just for this patch from mainly 2 guys also doing this in their free time, so your biz talk really makes little sense in this context.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Vibe on February 23, 2015, 11:50:28 am
Quote from: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:48:20 am
also kooktar, on a more serious matter you absolutely seem to misunderstand how this and most cprg-patches over the last years have been produced. The dev crew mostly have their jobs and in the rest of their time they seem to be working on M:BG, the patches for crpg are almost 100% done by volunteers from this community and just for this patch from mainly 2 guys also doing this in their free time, so your biz talk really makes little sense in this context.

no obviously this mod needs corporate standards of software development, have you even read the OP???????
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Gnjus on February 23, 2015, 11:56:37 am
Quote from: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 11:27:53 am
have little to no understanding of their community

Your signature says quite the opposite - they know & understand their community quite well, I'd dare say.........
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:57:56 am
Quote from: Vibe on February 23, 2015, 11:50:28 am
no obviously this mod needs corporate standards of software development, have you even read the OP???????

Have you?

Quote from: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Get some processes established, have code reviews, TEST THE FUCKING CODE IN A TEST ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PUSHING IT TO PRODUCTION. It seems like the new guys attempted to appease the customer (CRPG Community) with some of the item adjustments, and thats a good thing we are somewhat being heard, but for fucks sake with this regression. How does a 'mail coif' thats been in the game for years suddenly not display a model? How do you push a production build with 100s of texture load errors.. it looks like you never even launched the game to test it OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN ALL THIS SHIT.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 11:58:37 am
Quote from: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:36:26 am
Blindy, I was talking talking about pro biz, not Indie...

The difference between them is simply the funding. All Indie games that make SOME money but not retirement money eventually are run into the ground by greed or lack of vision, same as being run for profit by a big company. cRPG is no different. chadz built up a lot of good will. Then he started acting like a cunt, but he spent a lot of time with CMP so we forgave him. Then the debacle of giving any element of control of a HEMA game to a yank, who have no HEMA... I mean just watch battle of nations to see what yanks understand about EMA... anyway, chadz used up all that goodwill by making such a shockingly shit KS, letting Tydeus make changes to the mod, asking for money then begging for more, ignoring the community or worse constantly being affected by the loudest forum scamartists. But what can you say, chadz is like any developer: he started for joy, he was turned by money, at least I think he was, because although he is still very young, he cannot be as naive as he seems.

So, remember: that biggest difference between an indie dev and big name dev is next to nothing, its a few guys who used to love to make games, only the big company employees are being monitored to ensure they are staying on target and using their time wisely. Theres a reason COD sells, and its because it fills a demand. Does it create this demand thru advertising: partly, sure, but a huge % of the demand is already there. And they see their market, they supply it, they access it, get feedback from it, monitor it and check it. THAT's the main advantage of a big company, they are actually aware that their aim is to make money, and to make money give ppl something they want. Not some bullshit that the DEVS want, or some cryhards want. THATS where donkeycrew fall down, time and again. They listen to fucking nabs, who are neither any good at the game, nor have the most experience, nor the most impartial view, just the most time and energy making their points AD NASUEM on forums.

And thats /rant, went a bit wide there but it just makes me so sad that chadz and friends get is SO wrong time and again. Makes me wanna cry.
Also makes me want my money back, I thought I was dealing with either a/ well intentioned noobs or b/ slick scammers. As it is they prove themselves to be bad intentioned autists time and again. :C

Quote from: Gnjus on February 23, 2015, 11:56:37 am
Your signature says quite the opposite - they know & understand their community quite well, I'd dare say.........

Yeah, because critique of a bad decision is best countered by cencorship, it workes in North Korea so why not here, eyh? Fucking mouthbreather that you are Gunjuice, I figured you for smarter :D
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 12:09:06 pm
Quote from: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 11:58:37 am
chadz is like any developer: he started for joy, he was turned by money

What are you talking about you crazy sick? What money?

chadz and crew made mistakes, granted. But wtf are you talking about money when these people spent years with a project with no income for them at all?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:11:37 pm
Quote from: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 12:09:06 pm
What are you talking about you crazy sick? What money?

chadz and crew made mistakes, granted. But wtf are you talking about money when these people spent years with a project with no income for them at all?

WHY did I get emails then from chadz begging for money? After literally YEARS of making himself unavailable for talking to even by players who have been playing since he FIRST gave out the download? First time he returns a PM or mail is a plea for cash after ignoring 99% of community for years?

Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Azuma on February 23, 2015, 12:14:27 pm
Quote from: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:11:37 pm
WHY did I get emails then from chadz begging for money? After literally YEARS of making himself unavailable for talking to even by players who have been playing since he FIRST gave out the download? First time he returns a PM or mail is a plea for cash after ignoring 99% of community for years?

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Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:18:07 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on February 23, 2015, 12:14:04 pm
You know that yourself but it seems that this recent patch made you more than slightly salty

Dont think so, nothing of mine was hurt, I stopped using decent items long ago :D
My point was they need some filter, and chadz needs to stop surrounding himself with or recruiting the worst elements tbh. He has a poison dwarf and a sociopath recluse in his advisors, things are always gonna be warped :D
Quote from: HauteGame on February 23, 2015, 12:14:27 pm
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I'm sorry, WHO are you?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Azuma on February 23, 2015, 12:20:55 pm
Your father.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:23:07 pm
Quote from: HauteGame on February 23, 2015, 12:20:55 pm
Your father.

Since you are younger than me, French, alive, and a cunt, I dont think that your correct here, sir.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 12:29:05 pm
Quote from: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:11:37 pm
WHY did I get emails then from chadz begging for money? After literally YEARS of making himself unavailable for talking to even by players who have been playing since he FIRST gave out the download? First time he returns a PM or mail is a plea for cash after ignoring 99% of community for years?

You ask why? They said so in KS, so that they can move in one buro at one place.

As for your critique I partly agree, the communication with the community is very special, but I would not call it ignoring completely. Also if someone is actually doing things (see Senni + San, etc. right now + many others before them) they seem to get heard. But yes, I thought the talk of not being developers in an ivory tower in KS was somewhat ironic because at least on forums that was kind of a fitting image. But then again they offered puplic Q&A on TS, how many were there to talk to them?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:39:06 pm
BIGGEST problem about the KS, Heskey, was they made such a shitty video, at no point do they stress their positives: fighting system. Instead they show off mediocre gfx and shitty animations.

As to my saltyness: Ive been salty for a LONG time about the mod, its direction, etc. I played as an archer for YEARS man, I mean actual years on my main character and came to the conclusion that its massively, actually abusively, overpowered and broken, and today I see them being buffed once again.

The 2h stab... I am a fan of 2handers, just as I love polearms, and I love 1handers probably best of all. I love the game. But to me... I dunno, I never felt that fighting a 2hander was difficult, or that their stab was OP. Then it got huge nerf, so it was unusable (in a close fight)  by anyone not doing massive animation breaking mouse movements. Sure I chainstabbed like 4 guys in a row last week with bastard sword. I can do it, many can do it, noobs will glance and die. But now again its played with... I just dont get it...

1h stab, the same: I never had a problem using it, it took some thought and preparation, then BAM you killed a guy cause you walked him into your perfect stab. Instead we got a weird "poke the fire with a long stick" animation for it, its OP, everyone using it. Fine, I dont care, its easier than before, I could use it before and will now more.

But my point is: They are making balances based on players INABILITES to play the game to what I consider a base level. I am not under delusion that I am a great player, but I AM a decent one. Most players I meet in equal conditions will get smashed, because I have a lot of experience. And good players smash me all the time. But when I get smashed by a good player I try to see why it happend, what I did wrong, what I read wrong about his movement, footwork, timing, etc. I dont consider how to change the game mechanics to make what he did impossible, and THATS where Tydeus came in: he changed the game based on HIS inabilities. THATS what makes me salty, Im seeing changes that DONT need to happen, ranged doesnt need a buff: DO I care so much? I carry a shield. A masterpiece shield. I dont like using it in melee but Im forced to carry this shit just fucking nabs cannot kill me at leasure. They dont have to have any skill whatsoever to shoot someone. And I dont like the look of the armors we have. But Im not gonna complain, I just wear other things. Does it get me 1hit? Yes in melee all day. I can live with that, since I usually rock positive KDR, I have no problem being killed in  melee when I fuck up ONCE. But should shitcunts like HauteGame, who have no experience, fighting ability or skill be able to 1 hit me? No, I dont think they should. But was I on here daily trying to get nerf for ranged? No. I wasnt. Instead they get buffed. A class that requires NO skill, no abilities, no learning, nothing but point and click, gets buffed? GTFO of here.

/salt

Quote from: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 12:29:05 pm
You ask why? They said so in KS, so that they can move in one buro at one place.

As for your critique I partly agree, the communication with the community is very special, but I would not call it ignoring completely. Also if someone is actually doing things (see Senni + San, etc. right now + many others before them) they seem to get heard. But yes, I thought the talk of not being developers in an ivory tower in KS was somewhat ironic because at least on forums that was kind of a fitting image. But then again they offered puplic Q&A on TS, how many were there to talk to them?

chadz has my email address. He wants a grownups opinion he can ask anytime and he knows it. He's either as naive as he acts and doesn't realise hes surrounded by uselessness or he doesn't give a shit about community. I think it's the first thing. As grating as I am (I aknowledge that I am not an easy person to judge by text, everyone thinks I'm an asshole and calls me that, and it's fine, my friends who know me, KNOW that if they need any help I do not ever say NO to helping someone, as long as what they want is actual help and not just a yesman) even I would be better placed to judge what balance needs. But I am not your volunteer type, and the problem we have with our balance representation is the same as in politics: those who put themselves forward are the exact people you DO NOT want in that position.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Azuma on February 23, 2015, 12:44:21 pm
Quote from: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:23:07 pm
Since you are younger than me, French, alive, and a cunt, I dont think that your correct here, sir.

You surely right, but what the hell the fact im french could care ? I don't care bout your racism/jalousy man. You are talking shit about devs, I just gived u a couple of gifs cuz Im lazy to write you when I see others trying hard. And you become mad, U talked shit about me on other threads before, falses things above all. So yeah.. SHUT UP please, i'm not the cunt here.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: jtobiasm on February 23, 2015, 12:47:47 pm
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Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:48:06 pm
Quote from: HauteGame on February 23, 2015, 12:44:21 pm
You surely right, but what the hell the fact im french could care ? I don't care bout your racism/jalousy man.

Rascism? WTF, you wrote that you are my father, I pointed out reasons that you are not, and since my father was NOT French, and you are, that's one more reason... learn to think before you type. OR infact, learn to think at all....
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Dolphin on February 23, 2015, 12:52:35 pm
I can see several opinions here and this thread, which is sinking fast into a firery hell.

OP say's the quality is rock bottom of a patch.
he is correct, as it introduces alot of gameplay bugs that fucks you over like despawning of weapons.
He tells it in a arrogant manner, what should have been done to avoid this, which is kinda correct as it is partly constructive...

Then you have Guy, who is saying the same that the dev team needs to improve their skill, and his opinion(they wont).
He is right if we look on the bugs on this patch, but is saying it less arrogant but less constructive then OP which is his opinion.
which is what Heskey and Bloody are trying to point out which is correct.

Did i miss something or am i correct so we can stop this argument ?
as everyone is correct on above.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Tuetensuppe on February 23, 2015, 01:01:50 pm
Quote from: Gnjus on February 23, 2015, 11:56:37 am
Your signature says quite the opposite - they know & understand their community quite well, I'd dare say.........


Ahahahhahaha

-best reply feb. 2015 -

#rekt
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Azuma on February 23, 2015, 01:21:20 pm
Quote from: BlindGuy on February 23, 2015, 12:48:06 pm
Rascism? WTF, you wrote that you are my father, I pointed out reasons that you are not, and since my father was NOT French, and you are, that's one more reason... learn to think before you type. OR infact, learn to think at all....

Ffs, you took it at the 1st degree, well i'm sorry. I said "Im your father", because you asked me "WHO are you", but who cares who am i gadamit, this is Irony, Star Wars, you know it ?... HUMOUR.

Anyway, the "Racist" point is the thing you said on the other topic about me and frenchs maybe 1 hour ago.

" learn to think before you type. OR infact, learn to think at all...." Man, learn to good talk with people, then you'll maybe get some sympathy from them.

EDIT : This is your famous message "You need to stfu and gtfo of forums, all I have ever seen you do ingame is delay rounds by proving the superiority of French running shoes, you waste of space."

What da hell are you fukin talkin about...

Cheers.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Casimir on February 23, 2015, 02:45:49 pm
French is not a race. This thread is dumb. Turtles.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Grumbs on February 23, 2015, 03:04:17 pm
You're either going to get patches with some issues that get hotfixed, or you will get nothing at all.

Donkey Crew are taking time away to implement what is effectively a fan made patch. They have handed over the reigns to community members pretty much, and if you don't like it you need to discuss pro's con's in the relevant threads about specific issues. Just be happy Donkey are taking time away from what is effectively their day job (which is still not really turning any revenue yet) to implement a patch for a free mod they don't have time to support anymore

OP I have a degree in psychology. If I submit my resume will you consider employing me to try to correct your character flaws?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 03:10:36 pm
Trolled hef hef?

On a serious note. I love this mod dearly. I did in fact attempt to lend my skillset to help improve this game we all love. It's a bit of a let down to not even get a simple rejection from the team, all I heard was silence. Tydeus spoke to me a few times in regards, but basically I was told, to go eff mahself. So on that note maybe I'm a bit bitter.

As for the nutcuppers that blew up this thread, do you not realize that this is the ultimate 'Fuck You' to the community? All of you people who pledged Battlegrounds? I pledged, because I'm in love with the idea. This 'team' literally can't even open their own fucking game for one second to see if it launches without errors.

Now my longspear transforms into a spear as I swap weaps. And my head doesn't exist. And I get to see pretty red text flood my screen as the game loads. And the animations are wonky. And the server stability (possibly netcode) is hosed.

Literally, one second, this team can't even give you one second of their time, but expect us to hand over foot dish out $$$ for what? The same business strategy for the next gen? Where we give a big ol' middle finger to the community that made us what we are, and continually deliver shit? Because we are too hipster to test our stuff, its rawk solid.

One fucking second to open their own game...
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 03:36:18 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on February 23, 2015, 03:21:21 pm
I'd be pretty mad to see the devs fucking about with cRPG for any serious amount of time if i'd donated money to M:BG, they should be working on their commercial title. Unfortunately I was not active when donations were being taken, and the kickstarter failed so they have none of my cash backing them, but if they did i'm be pissed off if they spent more time on this mod when they should be working on Melee. That'd be the biggest 'fuck you', if the devs took cash for their project and then went back to be being simple warband modders.

The bugs in this patch come from the work done by the community members behind this patch. If you want to give genuine constructive criticism or share your expertise, join the item team and see what you can do to help this patch or future patches come out bug free.

Firstly, company branding is a pretty cool thing. When you buy a Coke, you get that sweet red Coke can with that identifiable and lovable Coke logo. If my Coke tastes like asshole, it's on Coke to soak up the responsibility. When you plaster your next gen title all over my broken loading screen, you are getting your logo out there for the good... or possibly the bad.

Secondly, get that donkey dick outta yer mouth breh. Here is story time, to elaborate my point. I am Company X I just came out with this sweet new kickstarter page. I'm gettin' dat cash, gettin' dat cash... WHOA! I just hit mah goal. Now I got all this moneh and I gotta deliver, welp, I'm a lazy fuck so let me outsource all this shit to China for pennies on the dollar. I get to keep a substantial amount of $$$ to have sex with, while slave-esque labor produces my product. The product ships without a hitch and on time, deadlines were met and I look fucking sweeeeeeet! Except for those nasty reviews about how shitteh my game is, wtf. How am I responsible for this turd just because my name is stamped on it?

The Crew, interviewed the current 'community team' in some form I am hoping. Regardless of what sub-contractor works on a deliverable, the companies name is on the line. So sure maybe San fucked this up as Tydeus before him, irregardless, the blame is on the real Dev Team for hiring on the staff and giving them authority to be in charge of the mod.

If my Coke tastes like asshole I don't call up the factory that made the bad batch.. I call mother fucking Coke. Now get that schlong outta that purty mouth boy.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 03:51:18 pm
Gawd its buried deep down that throat.

By the way, nice racist account picture.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Bronto on February 23, 2015, 04:02:08 pm
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Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 04:47:30 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on February 23, 2015, 04:35:45 pm
Now that's an interesting thing to say, please kindly explain why it's racist, I am eager to hear your reasoning

Please stop trying to derail mah thread breh. I know that cawk is buried deep, and you love its presence, and you'll do your damnedest to gag down another 1/4 inch.

But this thread is about the poor quality/lack of effort from a company that wants mah money as an investor. I want to give them said moneh, and I want them to succeed because far too few games today are worth a shit. But in-experience rears its ugly head and ya try to nip a few problems in the bud verses tarnishing a name and potentially future investment opportunities, and suddenly all of these 'all the way to the balls' folks come waddling out of the boonies to spew their two cents and become cRPG forum famous.

So unless you wanna post something on how the Dev team can 'more better' pull their heads outta their asses, refrain from tainting mah thread. Btw its time to remove the cawk breh.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 05:17:05 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on February 23, 2015, 05:09:05 pm
I was under the false impression that this thread was about you crying your little eyes out because devs don't value your obnoxious talents.

I'm not derailing your thread, you are the one who mentioned that my account picture is racist, i'd love to hear why you think so since i'd hate to be causing offence. I do hope it's not that case that you realised you cannot answer that question without sounding racist yourself and now you're hopelessly backpedalling from your previous comment. That would be a shame.

In the words of the great HESKEYTIME, 'Gurgle, gurgle.'

It was obvious troll bait breh, and you swallowed it up as I had intended like ya swallow up that donkey dick. Your arguments carry no weight related to this particular topic because you have no real world experience to base said arguments off of. Granted you are cRPG famous, and I rarely but ever post on these forums, but for gods sake breh. Please remove that donkey dick from the throat. Every time you open up that gaping mouth ya just bury yourself even more under my superiority.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Bronto on February 23, 2015, 05:31:56 pm
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Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Krex on February 23, 2015, 06:05:13 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on February 23, 2015, 05:39:05 pm
You see, you say it's bait, but you appear to be backing right off from the moment I took you up on it.

It's a simple enough question isn't it? Or does your excessive real-world experience make it difficult to understand such a simple question?

Also you should probably see someone about your obsession with donkey dick, or is that part of the 'real world experience' you seem to be boasting about, swallowed a lot of donkey dick have you? But back on point, without pussying out, backing down and trying to change the subject, would you care to explain what is racist about my account picture? Since you seemed very eager to bring that up, it is strange to me to see you running away from the subject now.
He got muted.100%.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: [ptx] on February 23, 2015, 06:05:47 pm
Funny. It's as if OP just got hired in some corporate biz, finished the quick intro to corporate software development and delivery and is raging at a non-commercial, super old, near extinct, now mostly community-run mod for an indie game for not doing things "like the big guys do".

No, there is not a single valid argument here, only a hissy fit thrown by an obviously unpleasant person.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Dolphin on February 23, 2015, 06:14:19 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on February 23, 2015, 06:06:29 pm
It's so rude how everyone on the forum who has beef with me decides to go and get 100% mute half-way through our arguments...

Sometimes I think I must be cursed.

Such a terrible curse :D

+1 on the mute he went full retard...
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: the real god emperor on February 23, 2015, 06:48:34 pm
I got tired scrolling down the whole thread.

when i first torrented bought Warband, I imagined the multiplayer system was gonna be identical as cRPG. But instead they gave me fucking medieval counter strike. Then I discovered cRPG and , no matter what anyone thinks, I dont think it could ve been made any better, good chaps.

Of course there will be lots of crying after every patch, it is impossible to make everyone happy at the same time.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Mae. on February 23, 2015, 07:11:00 pm
Java2EE senior software architect lol
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Riddaren on February 23, 2015, 08:20:06 pm
I don't know the "Java2EE senior software architect" so I can't judge him.
But I hope the donkey crew had good reasons not to welcome help from the guy.

With a title like that I'm sure he would have had heavy impact on the development process.

Besides this guy, there must be quite a few other full time developers playing this mod.
I hope this thread doesn't stop them from offering their help.

Really looking forward to M:BG and the donkeys need all help they can get IMO.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 23, 2015, 08:39:52 pm
How much of crpg's code is written in Java? I can't remember...
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Peasant_Woman on February 23, 2015, 08:47:13 pm
Quote
TLDR: Learn to run a business/program

I laughed. For real.
Modern AAA developers practices are to be avoided not emulated.

Also as far as I'm aware this free mod is a labor of love, not a business.
Sure sure, ad revenue (which is used to keep the website hosted I imagine).
Most people use a ad-blockers these days either way so that point is moot.

TL;DR
I am Johns total lack of surprise that you didn't receive a response
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Riddaren on February 23, 2015, 08:58:03 pm
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on February 23, 2015, 08:39:52 pm
How much of crpg's code is written in Java? I can't remember...
Not so many code lines probably.
Anyway, I'm sure a senior software developer would be of help even though M:BG is written in some other language.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Grumbs on February 23, 2015, 09:48:52 pm
Its not enough just to have the skills. Thats only one part of the puzzle..the other is attitude and commitment and stuff like that. He failed the attitude side of it already in every post in this thread. Then you have to consider that random guy who "tossed his offer into IRC" might not be as truthful as he suggests. I think he made it pretty clear he was just trolling anyway (or backtracked to that at least)
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Bittersteel on February 23, 2015, 10:09:34 pm
Do you guys really fall for the trolls so easily?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Hirlok on February 23, 2015, 10:14:49 pm
Troll or not - he got a point.

You do not have to over-do the project management and quality stuff, but a few tiny wee "processes" might really help.

The last patch (just as quite a few before) has either not been tested once before being released - or released with the "cuz fuck players" attitude.
Always problematic to criticize folks who spend their time on a free mod - but they would save themselves quite a bit of time and flak from players if they had a little bit more systematic approach... not to mention there might be more players and more support for M:BG if they did. 
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Riddaren on February 23, 2015, 10:16:40 pm
Quote from: Bittersteel on February 23, 2015, 10:09:34 pm
Do you guys really fall for the trolls so easily?

I'm not convinced he is a troll. He seems to be the developer he claims to be, although very mad.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on February 23, 2015, 11:09:19 pm
hotfix (and more than that) is out, stop crying.

(and hope they'll hotfix the hotfix soon.)
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 24, 2015, 01:28:31 am
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on February 23, 2015, 11:45:59 pm
I feel really bad for falling for his bait, that 100% mute he got really punished me for falling for his master trolling.

you got trolled hard bro

no need to hide those butthurt tears

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Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Casimir on February 24, 2015, 01:44:16 am
Trolls are fairly stupid creatures, but they do try quite hard to be normal.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Azuma on February 24, 2015, 06:41:36 am
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Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Vibe on February 24, 2015, 08:27:08 am
Redditor with 190 IQ here,

I am continuously surprised by the devs lack of knowledge on how to run a business or a simple software project. Having completed FOUR big software projects for big companies by the age of 14, I can say with ease that I would have no trouble handling this mod and fixing all problems within two days with one finger while caressing my SG Mayuri Shiina pillow with the other hand, if only I had been given a chance. I am just sick of seeing all these incapable so called 'developers' trying to take money for kickstarters with their shitty, horribly coded games. Why should we give them anything when they can't even code hello world, let alone run a full software project to the end following basic software development standards?

Signed

Redditor - Atheist - Top Mind - Master Developer

Moderator of /r/programming and /r/anime
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: LPleroyLP on February 24, 2015, 12:33:37 pm
Quote from: HauteGame on February 24, 2015, 06:41:36 am
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omg this THIS made my day thanks mate.

but on topic would be nice to read this as a software developer making FREE software that there are people who act like this xD its like an ant trying to survive the boot
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Macropus on February 24, 2015, 12:53:40 pm
Quote from: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 09:10:47 am
But gawd am I glad chadz was too busy sniffing his own farts in scrubland (Europe).
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Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Micah on February 24, 2015, 03:10:35 pm
IMO, kooktar simply was raging about not being accepted for the team ... and, i call it a wise decisioin, after the impression i got of him after reading this thread ...
I laughed when even shitmouth BlindGuy stepped aside after a whle, when he went full retard .. i mean ... i never seen someone go retard like that - He lets BlindGuy appear like a nice guy from the neighborhood :mrgreen:
Also the amount and the grade of derailed insults he dropped on HESKYTIME; just like he knew, he couldnt really hold his arguments against solid logic ... with such self absorbed attitude, omg - he must have felt very unrecognized from the donkeys to have such a load grudge to unload. I mean, he apparently holds alot of his own skills. That makes me wonder, how old he really is and if he really has so much "reality experiance" - it just doesnt show ... and in which position he is in his "multi million dollar company" - i cincerily doubt its a very responsible position ... especially with his way to cope with his own feelings and neglegtion - which points more towards a young, inexperianced guy on a low end job.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: dreadnok on February 24, 2015, 06:27:23 pm
This a fine application for the Head Asshole position
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Gnjus on February 24, 2015, 07:45:31 pm
Quote from: dreadnok on February 24, 2015, 06:27:23 pm
This a fine application for the Head Asshole position

He'd have to shrug off the likes of you, lombardsoup & BlindGuy first.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: //saxon on February 24, 2015, 07:51:22 pm
instead of writing a post on the forums, why haven't you got the honshu karambit out of your breaches and wrote someone off?,stop being a dick head, pagan.

you have just fucked up the base, you're a dick head cuz.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: //saxon on February 24, 2015, 07:59:29 pm
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: dreadnok on February 26, 2015, 01:10:44 am
Quote from: Gnjus on February 24, 2015, 07:45:31 pm
He'd have to shrug off the likes of you, lombardsoup & BlindGuy first.


i dont get it, i didnt post an app and im not an asshole
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: korppis on February 26, 2015, 06:54:03 am
Quote from: kooktar on February 23, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Requirements - One of the most important pieces to the software puzzle. If you don't know what you're building, there is no way to deliver a product to the customer (CRPG Community). Process Architects will visit on site and gather all necessary requirements to please the customer (CRPG Community) and provide them with the most value.
Component Design Documentation - Some form of documentation, most often reviewed with the customer (CRPG Community) to get sign off/acceptance, that shows the desired path to complete the list of requirements, also multiple solutions may be provided with a risk/reward definitions to give the customer (CRPG Community) options on how to proceed.
Development Cycle - Once a solution is approved and work begins, a solid development team is necessary to ensure the proposed solutions will be achieved with a high quality of work.
Use Cases - As part of the requirements gathering, a use case document will be defined as a means to show the solution has successfully achieved a customer (CRPG Community) requirements. For example: Use Case 1: When a user logs into cRPG he is not flooded with texture fail to load errors. Use Case 2: When a user holds left click and drags their mouse back to perform a stab, the animation does not appear to be a turd. Use Case 3: When a user equips a legacy helmet ITS FUCKING MODEL DISPLAYS.
Test Cases - This is where the developers take each use case, and provide a list of steps that can be used within the solution that will achieve a success on the equivalent use case. Problem here is boys this requires TESTING and obviously nobody tested this turd.
End User Acceptance - After your solution is wrapped up in a neat deliverable and shipped off to the customer (CRPG Community), a phase of end user acceptance will occur, where bugs will be reported, and users are trained on the solution. Eventually giving legal signoff that the requirements have been met. It is possible if a turd solution is delivered, those providing the solution via a work contract would be flirting with lawsuits from the customer. Here is the link to the current bug list, as we are unware of any real ticketing service such as JIRA the 'Dev Team' uses: http://forum.melee.org/crpg-technical-problems/4-1-bugs-thread/

If the guy wants to write and maintain all those documents that no-one will read, and test cases that no-one will use... where's the harm? Although the idea of getting some clear and sensible feature request list out from this community sounds a bit naive.  :)
Title: I offered my resume, then got muted
Post by: kooktar on March 23, 2015, 04:52:00 pm
Welp folks, I'm glad after my long hiatus that the build is finally bug free. Oh wait. Fifth times the charm right? Glad to see ya'll put in a delivery solution.

One clarification from the previous post. I have a career, never did I want to work on M:BG nor did I want to quit my job for a random start-up. I did however, want to work on this mod in my free time to support it and help make it a better game for the community. After months of not getting any sort of feedback I offered my resume in hopes to show I wasn't some random jagoff. But I never had to give it out, since it was never requested of me and I felt it was a nice anecdote to lead off my original post of the failure that was the latest updates.

That being said not sure why I was forum muted, maybe the metaphor of the DD was too great for the euros to handle. It was an awesome metaphor tho on so many levels.

tldr; Shall we continue?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Macbeth3 on March 23, 2015, 04:55:34 pm
Chamber of tears, anyone?
Title: Re: I offered my resume, then got muted
Post by: ARN_ on March 23, 2015, 04:55:49 pm
Quote from: kooktar on March 23, 2015, 04:52:00 pm
Welp folks, I'm glad after my long hiatus that the build is finally bug free. Oh wait. Fifth times the charm right? Glad to see ya'll put in a delivery solution.

One clarification from the previous post. I have a career, never did I want to work on M:BG nor did I want to quit my job for a random start-up. I did however, want to work on this mod in my free time to support it and help make it a better game for the community. After months of not getting any sort of feedback I offered my resume in hopes to show I wasn't some random jagoff. But I never had to give it out, since it was never requested of me and I felt it was a nice anecdote to lead off my original post of the failure that was the latest updates.

That being said not sure why I was forum muted, maybe the metaphor of the DD was too great for the euros to handle. It was an awesome metaphor tho on so many levels.

tldr; Shall we continue?
So if you want to make this game better then I only have one question for you, what to do with Krems?
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: kooktar on March 23, 2015, 04:58:52 pm
Haha ARN, at this point I just wish any NA server had more than 6 people on at prime-time. Such a great game died for so many reasons that could have been fixed.
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: ARN_ on March 23, 2015, 05:01:52 pm
Quote from: kooktar on March 23, 2015, 04:58:52 pm
Haha ARN, at this point I just wish any NA server had more than 6 people on at prime-time. Such a great game died for so many reasons that could have been fixed.
No but seriously what to do?
Title: Re: I offered my resume, then got muted
Post by: ARN_ on March 23, 2015, 05:02:28 pm
Quote from: kooktar on March 23, 2015, 04:52:00 pm
Welp folks, I'm glad after my long hiatus that the build is finally bug free. Oh wait. Fifth times the charm right? Glad to see ya'll put in a delivery solution.

One clarification from the previous post. I have a career, never did I want to work on M:BG nor did I want to quit my job for a random start-up. I did however, want to work on this mod in my free time to support it and help make it a better game for the community. After months of not getting any sort of feedback I offered my resume in hopes to show I wasn't some random jagoff. But I never had to give it out, since it was never requested of me and I felt it was a nice anecdote to lead off my original post of the failure that was the latest updates.

That being said not sure why I was forum muted, maybe the metaphor of the DD was too great for the euros to handle. It was an awesome metaphor tho on so many levels.

tldr; Shall we continue?
Looks better in yellow
Title: Re: I offered my resume.
Post by: Viriathus on March 23, 2015, 05:08:19 pm
Who wants to be a programmer anyway? boring job
Title: Re: I offered my resume, then got muted
Post by: karasu on March 23, 2015, 05:41:14 pm
Quote from: kooktar on March 23, 2015, 04:52:00 pm
tldr; Shall we continue?


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