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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Frell on May 23, 2011, 10:57:23 pm

Title: New armored horses
Post by: Frell on May 23, 2011, 10:57:23 pm
So the draped chain horses are becoming wayy too common and we need more variation in horse design while maintaining the same stats. Before I attempt making the horses (already ran the idea by shik) id like to see other opinions.

Dispose of: (If they're not native)
War horse
Large Warhorse
Mamluk horse

And add in horses like so:
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heraldic would be too complicated, rather preset designs.
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Basically this general idea but maybe 2 different plate versions, and 3 draped horses (and lightly armor some other horses with a simple helmet or neck guard).



Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Digglez on May 23, 2011, 11:08:38 pm
i support some refreshing of the unused warhorse category.
Why not any horses in leather armor or cloth armor? 

The lighter armored horses need better speed, like 39-43.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Frell on May 23, 2011, 11:09:24 pm
I could not find any leather armored horses :s
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: HentziTheHun on May 23, 2011, 11:38:02 pm
To Shogunates.

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http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=432268&page=5 (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=432268&page=5)
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Akincibegi on May 24, 2011, 12:00:10 am
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armoured sipahi with his horse

15th century leather lamellar armoured war horse from turkey
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another sipahi
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Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: ArchonAlarion on May 24, 2011, 04:52:43 am
Don't dispose of the old horses, just make more!
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: MountedRhader on May 24, 2011, 06:35:48 am
Gargantuan spoiler incoming:
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Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: ToxicKilla on May 24, 2011, 09:01:20 am
I'm always for adding things. But don't dispose of things to make way for other things. We need moar variety!
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Casimir on May 24, 2011, 11:20:45 am
Dont remove the war horses.

There arent many western horses that are actually used in cRPG so why reduce the few which are used.

The reason they arent used much is they arent paticularly effective for the gold you spend.

But the suggestion to remove them is silly. Also they are all jative so w/e.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Frell on May 24, 2011, 12:58:13 pm
I suggested removing them because those have the least variation plain chainmail look, and the server isn't doing well on custom texture space.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Casimir on May 24, 2011, 04:31:07 pm
They are native models.  If theres an issue with custom textures its not due to these horses but the new Rus armours n weeaboo stuff that was added last patch.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Frell on May 25, 2011, 04:16:46 am
Oh if they're native then yea we should really just add more
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Soldier_of_God on May 25, 2011, 09:21:41 am
I love how people will come up with great ideas with no substance to them.

models or fail?
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Frell on May 25, 2011, 10:12:55 pm
Actually, I just got done creating the hungarian kazakh armor that was requested by a member, and its going to be added next patch. So I really cant be categorized as someone who wont do what they say.

I've been working on the horses, along with some extra goodies. But Instead of posting progress pictures like last time I decided to post them all finished at once and get the wow factor.

Horses are a good bit of work, the thread was to make sure it would be supported and they'd actually benefit crpg.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Digglez on May 26, 2011, 02:17:15 am
Quote from: Soldier_of_God on May 25, 2011, 09:21:41 am
I love how people will come up with great ideas with no substance to them.

models or fail?

he provided pictures and ideas, what more do you want the guy to do?  Model the shit himself?  Get fucking real
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Korgoth on May 26, 2011, 02:25:27 am
Horses I want.

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Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Casimir on May 26, 2011, 10:03:02 am
^^

Only if we can wield massive 2h aces from horseback.

Or get better throwing lances.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: zagibu on May 26, 2011, 02:35:40 pm
Quote from: Digglez on May 26, 2011, 02:17:15 am
he provided pictures and ideas, what more do you want the guy to do?  Model the shit himself?  Get fucking real

Uh, why not? It's how things get done, you know. There is no magic dev caste that eats pictures and shits game assets. Some dude like you actually has to invest some hours and make it.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Korgoth on May 26, 2011, 02:58:44 pm
Quote from: Digglez on May 26, 2011, 02:17:15 am
he provided pictures and ideas, what more do you want the guy to do?  Model the shit himself?  Get fucking real

Well... I've seen Frell in the Official 3D art Thread on Taleworlds forums and he is pretty awesome. I would rather he make something good that he wants then some other guy try and make a shit one.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Frell on May 26, 2011, 10:11:23 pm
I am making it lol.


I just realized that the charger is already exactly what I want, but the texture need work. So this will be more of a texture mod.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Frell on May 28, 2011, 12:55:32 am
Heres a draped horse, need input

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Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Rumblood on May 28, 2011, 08:53:43 am
Quote from: Soldier_of_God on May 25, 2011, 09:21:41 am
I love how people will come up with great ideas with no substance to them.

models or fail?

3 days later and you still can't manage an apology? Yeah, he said up front he is wanting opinions before spending the time on models. Or maybe you are just too content with being a douche to man up?
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Glyph on May 28, 2011, 10:17:03 am
first of all: DON'T TOUCH MY LARGE WARHORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and second, nice work on the horses.
here are some ideas too:
http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4283653457_82d8b70e10.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/gr8sublime/4283653457/&usg=__XEnBtFEVy3iL2lgfe1SFmJCaiMQ=&h=500&w=364&sz=178&hl=nl&start=166&zoom=1&tbnid=qDMnm8jCZ7Mh2M:&tbnh=175&tbnw=118&ei=-67gTeOTGoaPswad9piOBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmounted%2Bknight%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_nlNL420NL421%26biw%3D1899%26bih%3D799%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=390&vpy=441&dur=2162&hovh=263&hovw=191&tx=118&ty=181&page=5&ndsp=45&ved=1t:429,r:24,s:166&biw=1899&bih=799
http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://arthuriad.carolan.info/ArthursMen/RealisticMountedKnights.jpg&imgrefurl=http://arthuriad.carolan.info/ArthursMen/AccurateToLoneStarKnights.htm&usg=__TUVBoxxwSWKLEsAAay88fWr3b7A=&h=310&w=551&sz=32&hl=nl&start=130&zoom=1&tbnid=4W1YY4SZc1JPxM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=200&ei=-67gTeOTGoaPswad9piOBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmounted%2Bknight%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_nlNL420NL421%26biw%3D1899%26bih%3D799%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=69&page=4&ndsp=36&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:130&tx=81&ty=60
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Glyph on May 28, 2011, 10:41:54 am
and i also think there should be an unarmored horse that is as big as a plated charger, just for the looks, and about the last horse with cloth you put on, it's a little rough still, maybe you were already planing to change that.
and some horses just need a head armor piece and shoulder front chest armor.
if it isn't going to be possible to make healdic armors for all banners maybe ther shoudl be only red, blue, white and yellow horses with one banner like this one:
http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Historic_Medieval_Bannerst1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Banners.html&usg=__0VEIzasLJ-wDXHh7CztxSYaKZg8=&h=150&w=150&sz=8&hl=nl&start=70&zoom=1&tbnid=ipqFOjGqfglBAM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=120&ei=6bTgTZ-uLoaM-wbalcDzBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dknight%2Bbanner%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_nlNL405NL405%26biw%3D1260%26bih%3D621%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=160&vpy=308&dur=1578&hovh=120&hovw=120&tx=88&ty=59&page=5&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:70&biw=1260&bih=621
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: HentziTheHun on May 28, 2011, 01:31:40 pm
I will not use it because I am a Horse Archer, but I am sure knights will like it if you would work on details some more hours.
But really great work.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: zagibu on May 28, 2011, 06:43:35 pm
It lacks a normal map, otherwise looks good (maybe a bit wear and tear would be good).
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on May 28, 2011, 08:39:52 pm
I definitly LOVE the idea of making more variety within the horse catagory, particularly the higher-tier horses. This is MOUNT AND BLADE after all.

I think draped horses would be awesome, and any western knight characters will pick them up in a heart-beat. You said heraldic drapes would be too hard, which I find sad, because that would be simply orgasmic. Also, would these draped horses just be like another version of the Destrier, or would it have more HP/Armor--a result of perhaps extra armor. It may fit snugly inbetween the destrier and warhorse stat-wise.

The draped horse could use a bit more wear-and tear on its drapes. Perhaps muddy up and scratch the bottom, and add detail to the drapes and horse in general. Perhaps more straps and harnasses (the seat seems to be just sitting on the cloth, unsecured), and jingling bells (like the destrier on the M&B loading screen). Perhaps a tiny bit of head armor, or ribbons. It's your model, at the end of the day, I suggest having fun with it and making it look pretty :)

Even if the horses were simply different versions of what we already have, I whole-heartedly support ur endeaver Mr. OP. I luv horses.
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Korgoth on May 28, 2011, 08:47:18 pm
Quote from: frell on May 28, 2011, 12:55:32 am
Heres a draped horse, need input

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Texture needs some work but good so far :D

Some way of making a Heraldic horse would be great :D
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: Glyph on May 29, 2011, 08:12:36 am
Quote from: Ninja_Korgoth on May 28, 2011, 08:47:18 pm
Texture needs some work but good so far :D

Some way of making a Heraldic horse would be great :D
but that would require a horse for every banner... so a lot of work and for every bannerpack an update... more work
Title: Re: New armored horses
Post by: HarunYahya on May 29, 2011, 09:13:31 am
I like the idea,i like the structure of the topic,i like your response to trolls.
Big +1 from me to you sire.