They attacked with rifles and rocket launchers. How the hell did they acquire that kind of equipment :o
fucking muslims
Worst thing to say there....
Don't be as stupid as fanatics...
They were not muslims...they are just cunts with guns
That has been the mostly-accurate joke we have been telling in Turkey. As our sheep get more and more absorbed in snackbaring, they will one day have an empty arid planet to themselves after everyone else has migrated to another one. And being the retards they are, they will most probably even be proud of it somehow.
Worst thing to say there....
Don't be as stupid as fanatics...
They were not muslims...they are just cunts with guns
Terrorists can't be true muslims.... and everybody can shout Allahou snackbar even they're not muslims...especially if they are extrem-right fanatics or racists and want to say "muslims are terrorists ! look what they do!"
Fucking Marine Lepen is very happy about that !
Terrorists can't be true muslims.... and everybody can shout Allahou snackbar even they're not muslims...especially if they are extrem-right fanatics or racists and want to say "muslims are terrorists ! look what they do!"
Fucking Marine Lepen is very happy about that !
92% of Muslims are protecting the terrorists. wat. Sources pls
Also terroristic is totally a word.
it was a generic percentage to say that the most part of them think that what they do is good for the muslim people.
Some are scared of them , some protecting them , some join them.
that was not a statement...
Won't be that funny in a decade or two.Bullshit.
As I've understood it, attacks carried out in the West seem to be done by lone-wolf outcasts. As a person that's been around alot of Islamic influence and been in Mosques and all that, I've never heard a single person praise these attacks or promote them. Rather they are disgusted by it. I only know of one guy that thought the 9/11 attacks were a good thing. Don't know if he was trolling doe.
Guy in a video of the Paris attacks shouts ALLAHU AKBAR WE HAVE AVENGED THE PROPHET
Surely its a lone wolf and has NOTHING to do with the religion of Islam as a whole /sarc
Bullshit.
It is true, France is lost, you should make a 'Bring back France' party and kill them all! I went to France once and there was no churches or cathedrals, all Mosques. Not a single white person, christian, atheist or agnostic, only Muslims imposing their racist ideals of trying to force people to believe in their way of life. Unforgivable! Kill them all for doing that!
One of the cops killed were muslim too.... he died to save pple. He's the only true muslim there.
One of the cops killed were muslim too.... he died to save pple. He's the only true muslim there.
Nevermind Molly, he lives in magic leftist fairytale world where the biggest problem of today are highschool drop-outs who want to revive the 4th reich or something.Thanks for sharing your life's story with us. Much appreciated.
One of the cops killed were muslim too.... he died to save pple. He's the only true muslim there.
"Uhh, they are muslims, terrorists. That murder is like really bad and we all gonna die..." Nobody gives a shit about all the other daily murder. That's just statistics. And that Christo, is why you're statement is just plain stupid. How many people are murdered in Hungary daily? Are those less bad than those in Paris? Have to be I guess cuz those weren't done by muslims, right?
That's the stupid and silly bit.
it wasn't just "murders".. there have been killed because of...drawing comics !!!
inb4 more No True Scotsman fallacies from pepejul
Radament how do you plan to defend your coastiline with just G.Garibaldi?we have Rocco Siffredi and with his penis we can anticipate the ambush.
we have Rocco Siffredi and with his penis we can anticipate the ambush.
You mean you can attack through the sea to the other coast with it?
Because Muslims believe in their imaginary friend Muhammad? This is so educational.
Thank you allahu akbar morons, with your actions the far right movement will grow stronger now.
And with the actions of far right movements the allahu snackbars grow stronger as well. Narrowminded morons from all continents, allied in crime.
Thanks for sharing your life's story with us. Much appreciated.
And yes, they frighten me way more. Simply because the spew bullshit which isn't supported anywhere with hard facts. On the contrary, the pure numbers show a whole different picture of migration. At least it does clearly and undeniably in/for Germany. But hey, numbers, alphabet, books, education... ain't your thing, I know. Being the school drop-out you are. Instead you rather post videos of someone who takes over the thinking for you. So much more comfortable compared to actually read up on stuff. Anyway...
Today 11 people died in Paris. Anyone cares to Google what the daily rate of murder is for Paris? Maybe even for France? What about Frankfurt? Germany? Maybe New York?
I just wonder how murder, no matter how and where, can be categorized differently? How is murdering an old woman for a few bucks in her flat less bad then murdering someone for a silly picture? Cuz that is what you are doing frankly.
"Uhh, they are muslims, terrorists. That murder is like really bad and we all gonna die..." Nobody gives a shit about all the other daily murder. That's just statistics. And that Christo, is why you're statement is just plain stupid. How many people are murdered in Hungary daily? Are those less bad than those in Paris? Have to be I guess cuz those weren't done by muslims, right?
That's the stupid and silly bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)
I'm out - not continuing this useless discussion.
Tell me when was the last time that a nationalist went on a killing spree against muslims ???
Because Muslims believe in their imaginary friend Muhammad? This is so educational.
every day : http://www.rfi.fr/france/20130321-france-aggravation-actes-racistes-montee-sentiment-antimusulman/
My heart goes out to the families of the victims. It is their life and work that should be remembered, not these sadist cowards who attack unarmed civilians and execute those who attempt to uphold the law.
You would need to have tens of generations of offspring to hold on to that aspiration Berenger, because that inter-planetary colonization stuff isn't happening anytime soon.
every day : http://www.rfi.fr/france/20130321-france-aggravation-actes-racistes-montee-sentiment-antimusulman/
How do you know they're real muslims?
The existence of true Scotsmen does not affect the individuals. The word "muslim" is interpreted in so many ways by different people that it has lost basically all meaning. I.e. you can't blame me on the basis that I call myself a "gamer" even though whatever schoolshooters were also "gamers".The existence of true Scotsmen also doesn't affect cookies. This statement has literally as much relevancy as your statement to what you quoted.
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Tell me when was the last time that a nationalist went on a killing spreeagainst muslims???
How do you know they're real muslims? Does their crust make a special sound if you tap it?
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Brother's in mind...
That happened a couple of years ago.
Yet the goatfuckers do that day after day, do I need to remind you that in the last 15 days, there were 4 terrorist attacks in France only?
Seriously though, these morons did all this because of a few badly drawn cartoons. They attacked a satire magazine building. Can you get any more retarded? If they'd assassinated the president of France they still wouldn't have any more of a manhunt after them. But no, let's just kill some bad cartoon artists.In Muslim France you will be shot dead for not funny satire
I dont know man. Actual certified real muslims are kinda fucked up aswell. Specifically the part about women being taught that they are lower class and turned into basically mobile houseplants. There was some case in Iran, where some woman got executed by the law cause she fought back against the guy that tried to rape her. That woman was screwed either way, if she would have allowed herself to get raped she would have still been executed.
I think islam wouldnt really be that bad if it didnt treat women as shit by law. But since it does.....eeeh
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You know what really pisses me off?
The fact that those goatfucking cunts live in France, I guess thats what we get for giving a home to snakes.
Note that they're all kids ^
The only ones that actually add to the strength of European cultural and moral values are the ones, that are highly qualified, educated and tolerant, people that identify themselves as anything else other than "patriots".
It's always funny to see far right-wingers get all worked up about these things. As if they are the ones that will "save our society and culture"..
Most bigots always come from the bottom half of society, complaining about the loss of cultures, that they themselves hardly understand, if at all. Claiming to be patriots is often the only "positive" attribute they can give themselves. The facepalms, when some almost illiterate fuckwit, that barely speaks his native language, calls himself a "patriot" and attempts to lecture others on respecting national values.
The only ones that actually add to the strength of European cultural and moral values are the ones, that are highly qualified, educated and tolerant, people that identify themselves as anything else other than "patriots".
It's always funny to see far right-wingers get all worked up about these things. As if they are the ones that will "save our society and culture".
Most bigots always come from the bottom half of society, complaining about the loss of cultures, that they themselves hardly understand, if at all. Claiming to be patriots is often the only "positive" attribute they can give themselves. The facepalms, when some almost illiterate fuckwit, that barely speaks his native language, calls himself a "patriot" and attempts to lecture others on respecting national values.
The only ones that actually add to the strength of European cultural and moral values are the ones, that are highly qualified, educated and tolerant, people that identify themselves as anything else other than "patriots".
yea probably , but it's disturbing that those people support these murders. cmon , you may be an internet troll but if you really think they deserved to die you are mentally challenged.
On a lighter note I grew up loving this Charlie Hebdo satire, particularly the famous "bomb hat Mohammed" one.That was the Danish newspaper 'Jyllands Posten', not Charlie Hebdo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy (which caused the author to be attacked with an axe)
Many on this forum will take that as a challenge, just saying.
Just FYI in case anyone reading this thread isnt currently living in Europe, the war is real, it's frontier Europe right now, i'm knee-deep in dead muslims and my fallen comrades. I was too foolish to heed the warnings and now i pay the price for my political correctness of not killing them all on sight because they're different.
What a completely asinine comment. You do realize that in the second part of your post you are stating a bigoted view while complaining about bigots in the first part? It just so happens your bigotry is saturated in elitism.How is stating that a lack of education and intolerance don't add to European cultural strength a bigoted statement?
It is true, France is lost, you should make a 'Bring back France' party and kill them all! I went to France once and there was no churches or cathedrals, all Mosques. Not a single white person, christian, atheist or agnostic, only Muslims imposing their racist ideals of trying to force people to believe in their way of life. Unforgivable! Kill them all for doing that!
Also Mosque...
Mosque-ito...
Muslims are Mosquitos and they spread Malaria! Britain weeps for France and it's inability to be saved, we're next! One time in Birmingham i heard an islamic prayer mass near my house, Britain is lost!
Interesting times ahead, what with the whole Ukraine crisis and possible new Cold War, China getting more and more self-assured, and the whole flaring up of terrorism again.
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Gotta love when these sort threads come up, same issues over and over by the same people who don't change and whose opinions are always better than everybody else's.
And just to throw some more logs to the fire, it's actually Europeans' fault because those bastards colonised, slaughtered and dominated muslims and the rest of the world, so that breeds terrorists forced to do that by the big evil nwo (or equivalent, pick your favourite powerful conspiracy entity) who killed their papas.
Best and funniest comment I have read this year thus far! Nice one Heskey hahaha On a side note, don't forget Britain has had terrorism for many years, from Irish extremists. Like Pepe said its too easy to label a terrorist as a islamic fanatical. Terrorists come in all shapes, colours and creeds, so please remember that! Anyway we the"west" could help ourselves by pulling all our bullshit armies and multi national corporations out of the middle east. That would be a great start to calming some tensions. But of course that is impossible in the current system/ paradigm so something has to give :C
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Have you tried?
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Don't forget to add rising wealth inequalties, aging populations and Climate Change into the mix! Gonna be a fun century this one.
I`m pretty sure that the far right wingers will be the first ones to die protecting their country.
I don't think even hiding under you bed would stop these kind of things.
The previous one wasn't bad too, don't you think?
is that a... TIME-bomb?
Jailed... french police is good....
one of them dropped his ID in stolen card...
Terrorists are sooooooooooo smart !!!!
Seriously though, these morons did all this because of a few badly drawn cartoons. They attacked a satire magazine building. Can you get any more retarded? If they'd assassinated the president of France they still wouldn't have any more of a manhunt after them. But no, let's just kill some bad cartoon artists.
But no, let's just kill some bad cartoon artists.
bad cartoon artists
Don't forget to add rising wealth inequalties, aging populations and Climate Change into the mix! Gonna be a fun century this one.
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Which one is Oberyn?
The right question is "which one is Jackie?".
Which one is Oberyn?
Anyways, I'm looking forward to the inevitable moment our various right-wing arrivists will try to speak about freedom of speech after they're finished with the brown menace bullet point. Hardcore authoritarians don't seem to grasp the concept all that well, and that is bound to produce some awkward moments.
Way too fast, way too easy?
This is way too fast, way too easy, "dropped" IDs again, etc.blahblah. Stinks of false flag.
Holy crusades in the ''holy lands'' ? Teutonic Knights fucking up Eastern Europe?
I don't think anyone thinks that's what Christianity is about. Just a minority of fanatics. Same with zionist fanatics. Not like every single jew is a zionist. And same with these terrorists and ISIS
Try to explain it now to the millions of french paranoids going to vote for Le Pen.
2017 : National Front election
2020 : WW3 in Europe (or civil war in France, dunno).
This is way too fast, way too easy, "dropped" IDs again, etc.blahblah. Stinks of false flag.
I have a feeling (since nationalism is sooo on the rise everywhere in Europe) that it's gonna be Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, France, England, Greece, Italy, Poland and every other on the rise nationalistic and racist European country vs a miracle of a collaboration between USA, China and Russia to finally destroy Europe once and for all and implement a better de-nazífication system.
USA lol
They imported many former chocolate chip cookies, gestapo and other highly ranked officials of the fallen Third Reich to help them improve their own goverment agencies back in the late 40s. Russians probably did the same when they occupied Eastern Germany but it is still kinda hard to obtain any Soviet info on the internet.
Tell me when was the last time that a nationalist went on a killing spree against muslims ???
I challenge any society to stop this from 'continuing to happen' without instituting hilariously similar values to these despicable terrorists and making life worse for all concerned. What's your solution? Kill them all? Outlaw certain religious beliefs? I'm pretty sure most people see fanatic muslims as a danger, the same way any fanatic is a danger. It doesnt stop these things from happening though, or are we not acting scared and intolerant enough? Perhaps if we all talk more about how dangerous they are they'll stop?Oh stopping this would be simple. Outlaw and belittle all forms of organized religion. If we are smart enough to figure out that Zeus and Thor do not exist, why do we still believe in these Abrahamic desert myths? The only reason any part of the world is backwards and underdeveloped is because of religion and shamanistic bullshit.
I'm not media, i'm not PC and i'm certainly not afraid of causing offence, maybe just maybe it's possible that some people arent jumping on the 'i hate islam' bandwagon not because they're trying to be PC but because they honestly think that's a stupid reaction. Targeting islam because there are islamic extremists is as stupid as the notion of beating up or deporting all catholics, or all Irish people just because of the IRA bombings in the UK.
Oh stopping this would be simple. Outlaw and belittle all forms of organized religion. If we are smart enough to figure out that Zeus and Thor do not exist, why do we still believe in these Abrahamic desert myths? The only reason any part of the world is backwards and underdeveloped is because of religion and shamanistic bullshit.Except the politician that did that would never be elected again, and that's what most of modern politics is about (the other part being enriching oneself at cost to the taxpayer). At least in Spain, where the church is still a large quite powerful organisation.
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They want people to hate on muslims, that's the sole purpose of this kind of terror. They want to make more segregation, more separation between french and muslims. More souls to go die for IS in stead of having a successful life. Radicalization on both sides. So people like Panos actually fits perfectly in their plan. Right wingers need muslims and radical muslims need them. And the general racism in society. I do agree that it's an exceptionally trashy and probably brainwashing religion though. Praying 5 times a day can't be good for staying cool and objective.
What's the deal about greek right wing anyway Panos? Blaming your misery on immigrants and turks? A need to invent a new greek masculinity? :D When fact is you are just greek. Lazy and corruptible. I mean, sure 2000 years ago you were awesome, but something got lost on the way..
Anyway what's pretty clear is that most people need someone to look down on and often blame to feel better about ourselves. This mechanism is abused by how Islam is practiced as well as in Nationalistic movements.
-rent a car on false nameWell, they're obviously not very smart.
-buy mask
-commit a crime
-left ur id
sounds legit
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Well, they're obviously not very smart.I know this seems a bit odd coming from me, but could be a set-up. Imagine if the french police were unable to catch them. They have to get SOMEONE on that stand. The public would go apeshit and direct their anger at the police, if they appeared incompetent. A ID falling out of a criminals pocket seems way too convinent to me. Still, there are dangerous criminals with all kinds of level of stupidity. So yea...
Oh stopping this would be simple. Outlaw and belittle all forms of organized religion. If we are smart enough to figure out that Zeus and Thor do not exist, why do we still believe in these Abrahamic desert myths? The only reason any part of the world is backwards and underdeveloped is because of religion and shamanistic bullshit.
i'd want to do everything possible to ensure that anyone instituting that policy did not enjoy a long and happy career.
The only reason any part of the world is backwards and underdeveloped is because of religion and shamanistic bullshit.
inb4 France passes "Le Patriot act" and makes France "a safer and more democratic" country.One can hope.
christianizing europe was the only method that actually worked to get people united and 'civilized' in early middle-age
are you sure about that? it is called dark age for a reason, you know. most historical sources back up the claim that civilization in roman times was more advanced than what came after, dark ages. religion pushed europe backwards, until Renaissance period which saw huge advance on all fields, to make it up for centuries of poor development and stagnation.
The painful truth in this story is that Islam is still at the crusading stage of the entire process. The only difference is that they call it jihad. Europe used religion to unite people and abandoned it as a societal adhesive soon as it became redundant. Religious wars had been fought centuries ago and were not applicable anymore.
are you sure about that? it is called dark age for a reason, you know. most historical sources back up the claim that civilization in roman times was more advanced than what came after, dark ages. religion pushed europe backwards, until Renaissance period which saw huge advance on all fields, to make it up for centuries of poor development and stagnation.
Dunno what time you are actually speaking about but we had a little war here in europe going on about 30 years were catholics and evangelicals killed each other in best fashion and that was long after the last crusade.Initially a war between Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmenting Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general conflict involving most of the great powers of Europe,[16] becoming less about religion and more a continuation of the France–Habsburg rivalry for European political pre-eminence.[17]
are you sure about that? it is called dark age for a reason, you know. most historical sources back up the claim that civilization in roman times was more advanced than what came after, dark ages. religion pushed europe backwards, until Renaissance period which saw huge advance on all fields, to make it up for centuries of poor development and stagnation.
On the other side the middle age provided us with important juristic regulations and not to forget groundbreaking technology like printing. One can't stress enough how important the ability of printing and thus for other people than highest of society to read was for the development of our culture.
Note that this all are very complex themes I tried to simplify in short sentences.
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginCool fictional story bro, but some random copied books by Christian monks weigh nothing on the grand scale of things.
:lol:
The dark ages because of relgion is a debunked myth, in truth the monasteries and clergy were centers and keepers of knowledge. The difference in advancment is because since the invention of printing the knowledge became easier to spread and available to much more people. Before that it was meticulously and painstakingly copied by hand by the same clergy that people ironically now comdemn as the reason for dark age "igrnorance".
They were called Dark Ages because barbarians pillaged and burned down advanced society that proceeded them, nowhere I mention it is because of religion. Muslim fundamentalists of today (talibans for example) aren't much different than Vandals, Visigoths and Huns from Asia. What characterizes them is complete lack of respect for different cultures.And incompetency and the inability to actually do what they threaten they're going to do.
Complex themes they are, as Yoda said would but... you're not doing yourself a favor mixing different periods. I'm talking about early middle age known as Dark Age, and you are mentioning late middle age just before period of Renaissance, which is the period when printing press was invented.
What I am mainly talking about in my post is that the first unification of Europe after the Roman Empire done by Charlemagne in the 8th century would have been unthinkable without the christianization.
They were called Dark Ages because barbarians pillaged and burned down advanced society that proceeded them
Cool fictional story bro, but some random copied books by Christian monks weigh nothing on the grand scale of things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_%281258%29
Those kind of things do.
Please, enlighten me? That is natural cycle that is happening for centuries. For example when partisans defeated Wehrmacht soldiers and entered their houses and houses of other wealthy Germans that lived in occupied area, they burned down expensive furniture to heat themselves during winter. And held cattle in areas designated for humans. That is because they lived in the forest for half a decade, they were basically cavemen. After some time them and their kids became 'culturally advanced'.
Now you want to tell me how barbarians who pillaged Roman Empire were actually more culturally and technologically advanced than high classes of Roman society? Is that your inner German pride speaking or you're just trollling me?
You're right, this would stop all terrorist attacks, how simple. It never occurred to me that treating all religions like shit and outlawing them would stop all terrorist attacks, rather than cause extremists of all religions to engage in similar acts of terrorism. Also you'd be lowering the bar on 'extremism' since you'd be giving them a legitimate reason to fight back, people who are more than content to live normal peaceful lives now would be pushed to desperate means. Hell i'm an atheist and i wouldnt stand for that shit, i'd want to do everything possible to ensure that anyone instituting that policy did not enjoy a long and happy career.
And there was me thinking that it was the stupid 'them or us' philosophy that made us backwards and underdeveloped, turns out it's just 'their' fault. I thought i was challenging you to stop it *without* implementing hilariously similar values to the extremists that made life worse for everyone.
At least the violent backlash would be enough to make sure no politician ever has the balls to do the same thing ever again, regardless of how small-minded or racist they are.
Scientist were harrassed by religious... DAT is dark age of Science in Europe.
Arabs were very much OP in science in these times because they got the ancient Greek knowlege science and philosophy books)
who is mixing historical periods now?
I still try to keep this simple:
1. What exactly is your point? That every human becomes barbaric under certain conditions? No disagreement there.
2. My initial argument was that christianity proved to be very helpful in many periods of history (example charlemagne) to establish political and civilizing structures.
3. Historians don't refer to the early middle age as Dark age anymore because of various reasons, for example while there has been a lot of destruction there also has been a lot of continuation and development.
Everything about this subject has already been said on this forum. I'll just say it again. Western cultures are the most peaceful, tolerant and prosperous on the entire planet. Admitting as much is racist though, and must be riddled with caveats about how we don't really deserve it and the only redeeming feature of western civilization is blind fucking luck. The usual fucking suspects crying about "racism" (Islam isn't a RACE YOU FUCKING MORONS) were predictable. It's the Neo-white man's burden retard script, the europeans with their colonialism and warmongering are responsible for all the evils of the world, muslims are absolutely not responsible in any way for the mores and ideals they enshrine in law everywhere they are a majority. And then you fuckers wonder why 2nd and 3rd generation children of immigrants are even more radicalized than their parents.
A lot of the "moderates" response is basically "Horrible! This is not Islam! These are not muslims! But you know, that's what happens when you play with fire". Then there are the ones straight up celebrating. And of course the usual "This is a CIA/Mossad false flag attack to make Islam look bad!". You fuckers need to start exploring the "arab" portion of the internet, google translate works good enough. This shit is all over the place. Belligerent islamic self-pity, blaming everything but the obvious, the go-to response anytime stuff like this happens.
In contrast, look to the vietnamese immigrants in France and their descendents. Strange, a people from a land that was colonized, brutally exploited, occupied and are from a different "race" (in fact much more distinct. Muslim immigration in France is largely maghrebin. A huge number of maghrebin are "white". They could easily pass as italian, spanish, portuguese, south french, mediterranean in general, and some of them indeed do that. A lybian guy I know likes to pass himself off as italian in clubs and bars, and fuck I gotta admit it works. Italian is a sexy language). It's almost as if there is a common denominator for immigrants refusing to integrate, who hold mores and ideals anthetical to their host nations and in fact loathe the identity itself, eventually leading to political acts of violence. I WONDER WHAT IT IS.
Western cultures are the most peaceful, tolerant and prosperous on the entire planet.
Are you sure its the culture and not living conditions which shape the way people act and their culture?
Greentext from /b is fictional, thank you captain obviousObviously someone had to tell you that.
China has been running a literal eugenics program for decades, something that would brand any western country as dangerous fascists.
Eugenics and population control is not the same. What Chinese are doing is complete opposite of eugenics.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Chinese+Eugenics+Program
Which is a pointless aside anyways. What western country could do "population control" in such a manner? Where would it be politically and socially acceptable? That was why I brought it up in the first place. Could it be that chinese culture is, *gasp*, DIFFERENT? But how could that be?! Aren't all cultures relatively the same, and are all heading towards an inevitable acceptance of multiculturalism and ethnic harmony, because those ideas are so self-evidently right? How much evidence from history and the present do you need before you realize that is simply a delusion?
So instead of a free liberal society with terrorist attacks you'll have an authoritarian oppressive society with lots of terrorist attacks.
We could start by not allowing deranged salafists funded by the Gulf countries (and deobandis for pakistanis) to openly preach for violence and hatred in european mosques.
Profiling and putting in place specific immigration laws and deportation
Even if we forgo the morality discussion, you honestly think this would reduce terrorism? Make radical Islamists love your country more? Create more moderates?
For those of you who don't know, the reason nationalism is on the rise is because of Austerity economics and the way the EU was created to benefit the Northern European countries (mostly France and Germany) and not the southern (simplified greatly but still true). I dont like it when people start preaching that spain, Greece etc are all lazy and corruptible Thomek, that's borderline racist and fits perfectly with the neo liberal dogma ofc.
I was being a bit edgy on purpose there. IDK about lazy, probably not. But corrupt they are. I've lost all illusions to how corruption damages a society in Poland. It leads to massive, massive waste of resources, money, health, mental health and justice.
IDK if I want to blame austerity economics or buy that it's a neoliberal dogma. I'm probably a somewhat modern socialist.. I want to stop accumulation of massive wealth through generations. We can have rich people in the world, but they would have had to earn it themselves, not inherit it. I believe everyone should have a fair start in life, and relative safety if bad luck stacks up against someone, and I believe the state should provide this.
I hate dogmatic ideas on both left and right. Capitalism is awesome, and so are socialist ideas. You just have to dare to mix them in a sensible way. Stop accumulation of wealth by taxing the super rich people very hard when they die. (And lowering taxes for young people who need to set up shop. ) A meritocratic capitalism, with socialism at the bottom creating stable societies. Believe me, capitalism wouldn't be so bad if the world wasn't owned by 5% of the people..
We could start by not allowing deranged salafists funded by the Gulf countries (and deobandis for pakistanis) to openly preach for violence and hatred in european mosques. I agree, it's time to stop homogenizing Islam. Moderates want to distance themselves from extremists? Then DO SO. We know which sects are the problem. Openly reject them, stop allowing them to own the identity.Nope, "moderate Islam" will just make statements to the news how they oppose radical Islam, but won't actually do anything about it, instead choosing to shelter fundamentalists and aid them in other ways, or at best, just ignore what they're doing.
There is no islamic invasion in France.... many french ARE muslim now.... We are LAÏC country and all religions can be used there. Muslims are citizen like others while they respect rules... and majority of them respect rules.
That is true for black pple, brown pple, Jews, muslims, buddhists and of course tching tchong pple !
as for racism that comes into play with the profiling lombardsoup is in favour of as an elegant solution.
And the Nazism? Ok, you've decided that for one specific religion you'll change your immigration policy and set a precedent for special negative treatment of that particular religious group,
There is no islamic invasion in France.... many french ARE muslim now.... We are LAÏC country and all religions can be used there. Muslims are citizen like others while they respect rules... and majority of them respect rules.
That is true for black pple, brown pple, Jews, muslims, buddhists and of course tching tchong pple !
I was being a bit edgy on purpose there. IDK about lazy, probably not. But corrupt they are. I've lost all illusions to how corruption damages a society in Poland. It leads to massive, massive waste of resources, money, health, mental health and justice.
IDK if I want to blame austerity economics or buy that it's a neoliberal dogma. I'm probably a somewhat modern socialist.. I want to stop accumulation of massive wealth through generations. We can have rich people in the world, but they would have had to earn it themselves, not inherit it. I believe everyone should have a fair start in life, and relative safety if bad luck stacks up against someone, and I believe the state should provide this.
I hate dogmatic ideas on both left and right. Capitalism is awesome, and so are socialist ideas. You just have to dare to mix them in a sensible way. Stop accumulation of wealth by taxing the super rich people very hard when they die. (And lowering taxes for young people who need to set up shop. ) A meritocratic capitalism, with socialism at the bottom creating stable societies. Believe me, capitalism wouldn't be so bad if the world wasn't owned by 5% of the people..
There is no islamic invasion in France.... many french ARE muslim now.... We are LAÏC country and all religions can be used there. Muslims are citizen like others while they respect rules... and majority of them respect rules.
That is true for black pple, brown pple, Jews, muslims, buddhists and of course tching tchong pple !
I guess frenchies are doing the same as us swedes.
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Btw the jews are behind it all.
Thanks for sharing your life's story with us. Much appreciated.
And yes, they frighten me way more. Simply because the spew bullshit which isn't supported anywhere with hard facts. On the contrary, the pure numbers show a whole different picture of migration. At least it does clearly and undeniably in/for Germany. But hey, numbers, alphabet, books, education... ain't your thing, I know. Being the school drop-out you are. Instead you rather post videos of someone who takes over the thinking for you. So much more comfortable compared to actually read up on stuff. Anyway...
Today 11 people died in Paris. Anyone cares to Google what the daily rate of murder is for Paris? Maybe even for France? What about Frankfurt? Germany? Maybe New York?
I just wonder how murder, no matter how and where, can be categorized differently? How is murdering an old woman for a few bucks in her flat less bad then murdering someone for a silly picture? Cuz that is what you are doing frankly.
"Uhh, they are muslims, terrorists. That murder is like really bad and we all gonna die..." Nobody gives a shit about all the other daily murder. That's just statistics. And that Christo, is why you're statement is just plain stupid. How many people are murdered in Hungary daily? Are those less bad than those in Paris? Have to be I guess cuz those weren't done by muslims, right?
That's the stupid and silly bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)
I'm out - not continuing this useless discussion.
Why should I be a capitalist and risk my capital when the government confiscates the fruits of my labor and effort? I'll just not try very hard and live on socialist programs and money taken from the rich (as long as they last or don't emigrate to a lower tax country). That should work well for me until all the money from the rich is gone, or they all stop trying like I did.
And we all know how efficient governments are at allocating and distributing resources. Just look at the beautiful double layer of bureaucracy established by the EU in Brussels. That's how I want my tax dollars spent!
And ofcourse, nothing will be done. The western world will continue to deny any sort of Muslim problem, all while ragheads massacre everyone.It's the worst in Europe where the governments have systematically disarmed the populace - and obviously the cops can't protect you from extremist violence - so all you can do is "hope it won't happen to you."
The only thing the goat-fuckers deserve is a bullet.
It's the worst in Europe where the governments have systematically disarmed the populace - and obviously the cops can't protect you from extremist violence - so all you can do is "hope it won't happen to you."Here we go again.
Most states in the US allow you to defend yourself, and allow you to have weapons to do it with, and the US is also going to be the last place not completely infiltrated and enamored with Islam, thanks to 9/11 and Astan/Iraq.
It's the worst in Europe where the governments have systematically disarmed the populace - and obviously the cops can't protect you from extremist violence - so all you can do is "hope it won't happen to you."
Most states in the US allow you to defend yourself, and allow you to have weapons to do it with, and the US is also going to be the last place not completely infiltrated and enamored with Islam, thanks to 9/11 and Astan/Iraq.
You think if the bad caricaturists had weapons stored at their workplace this would have gone better?Maybe, maybe not. All I know is that they certainly had no chance when they didn't have weapons. And even that is beyond the point. Whether or not those specific people would have had any more of a chance is irrelevant.
You think if the bad caricaturists had weapons stored at their workplace this would have gone better?
Maybe, maybe not. All I know is that they certainly had no chance when they didn't have weapons. And even that is beyond the point. Whether or not those specific people would have had any more of a chance is irrelevant.
What is your point then? What do you think changes with the populace being armed, you believe Islamists will shiver in fear? The only thing that would change is it would get more violent, more deaths on both sides and more centuries or more to overcome the hatred if there is any chance at all.The point is that individuals have the responsibility to protect themselves, except they can't, because their country has disarmed them. Who the fuck cares whether "Islamists shiver in fear" or not?
But yes, you're right -- it might get more violent if you resist. It's better to just let them execute you. At least that way there's no conflict. And god forbid there's any deaths on the terrorists' side.
fucking muslimsI would say fucking christian then you lil racist bitch
Thanks for pulling the children emotion card. You would do your children a favour, they would still have a father.
Of course it get's tricky if it gets personal, even Panos got a point in that. But what do you gain with it when you kill a few terrorists on a bigger scope? You won't stop terrorism, you won't make the world a better place, you won't do our countries or ourAre you fucking serious right now?childrendescendants any favour.
92% of Muslims are protecting the terrorists. wat. Sources plsAre any of them speaking out against terrorists/terrorism? are any of them condemning acts of cowardice such as this?
Are any of them speaking out against terrorists/terrorism? are any of them condemning acts of cowardice such as this?
Yes?As you asked a previous poster- sources please?
Are any of them speaking out against terrorists/terrorism? are any of them condemning acts of cowardice such as this?Yes, they do.
As you asked a previous poster- sources please?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668
*Warning - Item Terrorists shoot officer in Paris during terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo might contain content that is not suitable for all ages.*
Nope, "moderate Islam" will just make statements to the news how they oppose radical Islam, but won't actually do anything about it, instead choosing to shelter fundamentalists and aid them in other ways, or at best, just ignore what they're doing.
30 seconds of googling:
http://o.canada.com/news/muslim-canadian-community-denounces-violence-braces-for-backlash-533632
https://www.journalism.co.uk/press-releases/uk-event-to-see-30-000-muslims-denounce-extremism-and-rally-for-peace-in-iraq-and-the-middle-east/s66/a562270/
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/muslims-condemn-isis.html
http://news.yahoo.com/arab-league-top-muslim-body-condemn-paris-attack-150207581.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/moderate-muslims-use-jesuischarlie-condemn-charlie-hebdo-attack-paris-1775986
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/189630#.VK72vCuG9KI
http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/middle-east/80090-arab-league-muslim-body-condemn-paris-attack
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-01-07/french-muslim-groups-condemn-paris-killings/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-killings-arab-states-jihadi-extremist-sympathisers-isis
http://www.smh.com.au/national/charlie-hebdo-islamic-leaders-in-australia-condemn-paris-attacks-20150108-12kfq4.html
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/canadian-muslim-leaders-condemn-attack-on-frances-194759746.html
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/01/not-in-our-name-muslims-respond-in-revulsion-to-charlie-hebdo-shooting/
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/europe/story/parisian-imams-condemn-attack-call-it-declaration-war-20150107
And that's just what's happening. You certainly called this one for what it is. See below:
Are you fucking serious right now?
"What do you gain when you kill a few terrorists?" Umm... you don't die yourself, for one?
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2010/12/06/alarmed-mosque-goers-turn-fbi-informant-over-fbi
So what are muslims supposed to do to counter radicals? I've never in my life heard an Imam praise terrorism or insurgency in a mosque. Been to friday prayers the past 5 years.
And in what way are moderates aiding the radicals?
Ignore him, xant's deliberately obtuse. He'll 'misunderstand' your posts until you stop posting.
If he doesnt ease up start acting like he does in your argument, he'll throw a tantrum and quit the conversation.
More like he doesnt agree with you 99% of times, like on all other gun topics. When it's regarding hating muslims suddenly he's pro-guns. Basically he's just argument fishing, doesnt have any consistent opinions, just ones that he thinks will work as bait.
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and? What is gained by that? I don't die, who fucking cares. I am saying that this is no solution to the problem. goddamnit, stop thinking on personal/individual level.Well, granted, nothing is gained by you not dying, but I'm talking about other people.
You wrote "muslims" instead of "murderers".... :rolleyes:Potato, potatoe...
Muslim Cleric defends Paris terrorist attack:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/07/islam-allah-muslims-shariah-anjem-choudary-editorials-debates/21417461/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/07/islam-allah-muslims-shariah-anjem-choudary-editorials-debates/21417461/)
"So why in this case did the French government allow the magazine Charlie Hebdo to continue to provoke Muslims, thereby placing the sanctity of its citizens at risk? It is time that the sanctity of a Prophet revered by up to one-quarter of the world's population was protected."
So its the magazine and the French government's fault. Not the fault of the Muslims doing the killing.
"Is Choudary an Islamic scholar whose views merit attention or consideration? No. Has he studied under leading Islamic scholars? Nope. Does he have any Islamic qualifications or credentials? None whatsoever. So what gives him the right to pontificate on Islam, British Muslims or 'the hellfire'? Or proclaim himself a 'sharia judge'?", and claimed that Choudary was "as unrepresentative of British Muslim opinion, as he is of British anti-war opinion."
xant, stupid
re: Islam
Zaik Naik bullshits alot when it comes to Science and related subjects. But I really fucking doubt he said that. How about you find the source where he actually says that and not just a picture with some text on it? I tried looking it up but I couldnt find anything. And how is this relevant to the shootings in France? If Muslim terrorists were guilty of fucking goats in the Western world rather than committing terrorist acts I'd be delighted.
Oh i see how it is, as if hating on islam wasn't enough now you've got a problem with the Welsh too?
Oh i see how it is, as if hating on islam wasn't enough now you've got a problem with the Welsh too?
I would say fucking christian then you lil racist bitch
blow up the people with the words "not afraid" it would be an epic win for the terrorists :lol:(click to show/hide)
Well, granted, nothing is gained by you not dying, but I'm talking about other people.
Whether or not those specific people would have had any more of a chance is irrelevant.
omg that answer, so predictable and low. Are you really too stupid to understand that I'm not talking about individuals on a personal level but on a political level seeking for a solution for the problem?So why the fuck should I care about what "you're talking about" when you replied to my post which was not in reply to anything you said? Also, learn about the concept of hard and soft targets.
Btw the one time when I was talking on a personal level and asked what the caricaturists would have gained if they would have had weapons you answered:Yes, indeed. And clearly it went over your head.
Those people were slain for making fun of Islam, Mohammad, etc. That was their "crime". I'll continue to dump on this religion of murderers and goatfuckers in any way I can, as much as I like.
Islam isn't a race, its a religionIt's same as race imo. Anyway do not play this game if u hate Muslims because Muslims made this game ;)
#rekt
It's same as race imo. Anyway do not play this game if u hate Muslims because Muslims made this game ;)
Fucking muslims, made me waste so many hours of my life! :mrgreen::D fucking christians made crpg thats why i bought warband :twisted:
sigh, ok let's reroll:
- I ask you what is your point then and add in advance for a possible answer that an armed populace means more violence in general
to which I reply that I can understand violence on a personal level but on a bigger scope it doesn't lead to anything
there are only three points of access to the internet here, no body even knows what's on the other side of the bridge.
That's because there is no shortage of sheep in England or in Wales, they appreciate that we're stronger together since if the Welsh sheep harvest fails we can import emergency sheep from England.
Because the extremists would totally have done the exact same kind of bold frontal attack if they knew everyone had guns lol, hence all those muslim extremist vs. patriot gunfights you get in America where plot after plot is foiled. Get guns and extremists change their strategy.
YEAAAAAAAH! THE TIME FOR DIPLOMACY IS OVER! TAKE TO THE STREETS! START KILLING MUSLIMS OR PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE THEM!
THEY will keep getting bolder and killing innocents, quickly stand up for yourselves and start killing innocents! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
No, they would have still attacked, but it would have been different, it wouldn't have ended with 15 people dead
sigh, ok let's reroll:Half-speed version: it is every individuals responsibility to protect themselves, except when the government takes their ability to do that away from them, in which case it becomes the government's responsibility. If the government doesn't impede on your ability to defend yourself, and you fail to do so, you have only yourself to blame.
- you post: It's bad that populace is not armed
- I ask: what good would it have done the caricaturists?
- you reply: maybe nothing, it is irrelevant if this specific people died
- I ask you what is your point then and add in advance for a possible answer that an armed populace means more violence in general
- you answer: People are responsible for defending themselves and (in your typical oh so smug ironical way) more violence is actually a good thing
- to which I reply that I can understand violence on a personal level but on a bigger scope it doesn't lead to anything
- from that point you ignored that second part and kept going on that the gain of killing terrorists is not to die
- I remind you of what I said
Now your argument is you don't care about what I am talking about because the argument started with a statement of yours? wtf?
And what the hell got soft and hard targets to do with the general not military populace being armed?
- you answer: People are responsible for defending themselves and (in your typical oh so smug ironical way) more violence is actually a good thingYes, it is indeed a good thing when it means that it's a two-way shooting range instead of a one-way shooting range.
- to which I reply that I can understand violence on a personal level but on a bigger scope it doesn't lead to anythingOf course it "leads to something." All authority stems from violence. Only a total sheep would advocate what you're advocating: letting terrorists kill you and your family because, oh, defending against it would be so violent.
Now your argument is you don't care about what I am talking about because the argument started with a statement of yours? wtf?First of all, that wasn't an argument - maybe you should look up the definition - and second of all, it means that you did the equivalent of saying "well, yeah, guns help protect people, but they don't make for a better chocolate sauce"... and I don't care about chocolate sauce, and I never mentioned chocolate sauce in my post, so why the fuck would I care about your chocolate sauce (which you pull out after three posts, three posts which I obviously erroneously assumed had something to do with the thing you quoted, not chocolate sauce...)
And what the hell got soft and hard targets to do with the general not military populace being armed?I'll let you figure that one out. Hint: go google it, then think about what makes a soft target, what makes a hard target, and how targets are chosen. Why didn't these two guys attack SAS headquarters, surely SAS has done more evil things to them than some caricature artists?
You think if the bad caricaturists had weapons stored at their workplace this would have gone better?[...]Saying that is ridiculously wrong and show that you are speaking about something that you clearly don't know/understand.yes, the headline wouldve read "Citizens defend lives from terrorists" or similar
How's the pacifism working out for them?
Saying that is ridiculously wrong and show that you are speaking about something that you clearly don't know/understand.
Those caricaturists where intelectuals & pacifists Frenchmen. They would have never buy a gun and even less carry one...
Only cowards need weapons to defend their ideas.....You misspelled "I have no idea how the real world works."
Men use words and drawings
Half-speed version: it is every individuals responsibility to protect themselves, except when the government takes their ability to do that away from them, in which case it becomes the government's responsibility. If the government doesn't impede on your ability to defend yourself, and you fail to do, you have only yourself to blame.
Yes, it is indeed a good thing when it means that it's a two-way shooting range instead of a one-way shooting range.
Of course it "leads to something." All authority stems from violence. Only a total sheep would advocate what you're advocating: letting terrorists kill you and your family because, oh, defending against it would be so violent.
First of all, that wasn't an argument - maybe you should look up the definition - and second of all, it means that you did the equivalent of saying "well, yeah, guns help protect people, but they don't make for a better chocolate sauce"... and I don't care about chocolate sauce, and I never mentioned chocolate sauce in my post, so why the fuck would I care about your chocolate sauce (which you pull out after three posts, three posts which I obviously erroneously assumed had something to do with the thing you quoted, not chocolate sauce...)
I'll let you figure that one out.
You misspelled "I have no idea how the real world works."
Yeah, I got that this is your opinion. I strongly disagree because I believe in state-controlled justice and defence, not self-justice and self-defence. But I didn't reply directly to that aspect.Then you live in a fairy land. The police cannot, physically, protect citizens from immediate violence until they have a Minority Report style system in place. They count the points and act as a deterrent. When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away. This is an objective fact for everyone except those who have a permanent police bodyguard unit.
Only cowards need weapons to defend their ideas.....
Men use words and drawings
brain and balls is better than gun for real men.....Balls =/= behaving like a little girl who shouts things from behind armed men and proclaiming how morally superior you are because you're a "pacifist" (i.e need to be protected by other men)
Then you live in a fairy land. The police cannot, physically, protect citizens from immediate violence until they have a Minority Report style system in place. They count the points and act as a deterrent. When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away. This is an objective fact for everyone except those who have a permanent police bodyguard unit.
No police or similar institution could protect normal populace from purposed murder ever, the only thing they can do in that case is try to persecute the murderer and lawfully convict him. Did that lead us to overthrow our law system we build up over centuries and go back to marauding bands of self-justice?US hasn't had to overthrow its law system to allow people to carry guns.
That your only answer? I want to hear more about chocolate sauce!
:D fucking christians made crpg thats why i bought warband :twisted:
:D fucking christians made crpg thats why i bought warband :twisted:
the fuck is goin' on here?
more guns = more killsWrong. More guns means less killings.
more books = more men
Xant you choose your side ?
You're a prissy little coward who thinks you need to shelter behind a gun to feel safe in the big bad world.
Most extremist terrorists arent afraid of dying the way you are. If your ideal situation is one where you fight them man to man it's a fight you'll lose, because you're afraid of dying and they arent.
'Dont hurt me big strong terrorists!', your mistake is thinking everyone else in the world is as stupid and cowardly as you.
Look the number of deads in USA... not killed by weapons ? Only killed by gangsters ? noooo.....When guns were more prevalent in America there were less shooting deaths. Guns are not the issue. Also most of that is black on black gangster crime.
Pple who get wepaons at home = children killed, accidents, crazy killers.....
just look the reality.... guns are to kill not to defend...
These terrorists got just what they want, the world talking, they showed the world that they can attack anywhere, anytime.Eveeyone knows panicked, cornered animals are the least dangerous... not. So yes, fear of death isnt a detriment
They don't care about how we view their cause, they want us beaten and dead.
I'm afraid of dying so I'll fight hard for it. I'm not gonna kneel down and beg them not to shoot.
if willingness to stand up and face these terrorists which you think are so "unstoppable, super-deadly, machines of killing" is cowardly, then I'm a full blown coward.
When guns were more prevalent in America there were less shooting deaths. Guns are not the issue. Also most of that is black on black gangster crime.
Guns are used to kill. You defend yourself and your family by killing the ones who try to do you harm.
nothing about this in Fance info....
I was listening to Canadian moderate Muslims say that religious figures and images should be a sacred cow where essentially you are not allowed to offend. One of the people speaking said that essentially these sacred images or people or whatnot are not as sacred if people are drawing caricatures or mocking, etc.
This brings up an interesting point, are these thing off limits? If they are not, are you not enforcing your religious view on others? There is not any religious symbol to me that is sacred, does that mean I can mock it? Or is religion off limits because it may offend large amounts of people?
All religious want ignorant pple to control them.... Islam like Christanism and Judaism.... all same shit
except that christianity stopped being militant centuries ago.
Which terrorists? You still havent answered my question about who specifically you're making your stand against and ending the time for diplomacy or whatever it was you said, stuff about rising up and showing them who's boss. Who's 'Them'?
I dont think they're unstoppable at all, i think that throwing oil on the flames is a totally stupid and irresponsible thing to do.
Also, 'machines of killing', really? :lol: Who even says that? Unless they were literally steam-powered robots with robotic crab legs and giant pincers in which case i'd call them 'killing machines', the other way round just sounds clunky.
Blink and you miss it, for the most part this has turned into a basic bog-standard gun control thread. It's striking to see after Xant's posts that someone is still actually talking about Islam here xD
Then again, you could argue the events on wednesday were purely a gun-control issue, i'm not happy that a group of radicals were able to arm themselves so well in a country where the populace and most of the police are unarmed. The solution is one of 2 extremes, arming the populace to close the gap and prevent this specific event from happening, or crack down on illegal firearms to prevent lunatics getting them.
Diplomacy with who? Survival for whom?
You can take a dump on Islam as much as you want. Just don't make shit up. Still waiting for legit source.
except that christianity stopped being militant centuries ago.
Im still waiting.
Islam today is as much developed as Christianity in Middle Age lol...
For another attack perpetrated by adherents to the religion of pieces? Have fun with that.
It's their own goddamn fault.
They had an advantage, and fucked it up.
So you're just going to constantly spew random bullshit and constantly jump subject without providing any sources for claims you make?
These days Muslims are content with blowing up their own mosques, Christian churches, and damaging priceless Assyrian artifacts
Do you not trust your own eyes as these attacks happen?
Forum drinking game, drink every time someone uses the word 'they' in this topic, happy friday.Oh common. Really freaking look at these islamic countries. Really look at them hard. They are a fucking joke. Even the richest ones who work thightly with Western powers are extremely abusive assholes towards their own people, gigantic biggots and their laws are basically the same what it was in the middle ages. You can give them money, resources, peace and respect and they will just use all that to enforce their abusive laws and views even tighter.
Oh common. Really freaking look at these Islamic countries. Really look at them hard. They are a fucking joke. Even the richest ones who work tightly with Western powers are extremely abusive assholes towards their own people, gigantic bigots and their laws are basically the same what it was in the middle ages. You can give them money, resources, peace and respect and they will just use all that to enforce their abusive laws and views even tighter.
I had high hopes for Turkey thou. But even they seem to go backwards now. "QQ the internet is pure evil" and "women are not the same and shouldn't be treated equally". Those words coming from the mouth of the current president.
ASSAULT is given atm....
I bet on 2 killed
If you dont like what happens in the insular culturally isolated countries out there, dont strive to become one of them.
Gratuitous use of the words 'them', 'they' and 'their' is nicely vague and generalizing, especially considering that it varies post to post whether or not people are talking about Muslims who currently live in france/any western country, or predominantly Islamic countries that exist today, or a general timeless concept of what they believe 'Islam' to be at all times and for all people. Your use of those words was more specific, might need to fine-tune the drinking game to express that distinction.
Isn't the ideal scenario from a western perspective that we end up living in a world where all peoples acknowledge freedom of speech and become more moderate/less extreme? You arent going to achieve that by targeting, stifling, or acting like extremists or fanatics yourselves. If it's an ideological conflict then it's something that can only be won by ideology, make 'them' want what we have. Migration is surely a step in that direction, but some people always resist change and you cannot account for the individual, unfortunately we live in a world where the individual or few individuals can do a lot of harm.
I dont judge all americans for the things a few of you say or do. I dont say 'americans are fat and dumb' and make it my own personal crusade to ridicule all americans because one american did something i dont like. 'Americans' dont need to apologize, or have someone apologize for them every time one stupid american goes to 'Heart Attack Grill' and eats himself to death.
You dont like Muslims, what are you going to do about it?
Nothing, until I get shot at in the name of Allah. As one man there's not much I can do, but if recent events are any indication, the tide is shifting against the religion of Islam. The French and German outcry is only the start.There is a German outcry?
If events like these prove anything it's that clearly one or very few people are capable of having a big impact, they just need to do some high-profile killing.
When you say the 'tide is shifting' what do you have in mind as your ideal anticipated outcome? Closed borders? Deportation? Would those things stop attacks or provoke them? There is only one way to get rid of a religion like this that is so ingrained and that is to get rid of it's people, nobody sane wants or is able to do that so the religion will remain. Orrrr, you could simply hope that natural exposure to conflicting ideologies over time, and a more tolerant west, has a calming effect on radicals and zealots.
I am sad that if i wanted to be big and famous, simply going to a building and killing everyone inside wouldnt be enough, i'd need to shout some religious obscenity before the world was suitably appalled.
Isn't the ideal scenario from a western perspective that we end up living in a world where all peoples acknowledge freedom of speech and become more moderate/less extreme? You arent going to achieve that by targeting, stifling, or acting like extremists or fanatics yourselves. If it's an ideological conflict then it's something that can only be won by ideology, make 'them' want what we have. Migration is surely a step in that direction, but some people always resist change and you cannot account for the individual, unfortunately we live in a world where the individual or few individuals can do a lot of harm.True that thou. Being fanatic towards fanatics will just create more fanatics. But these bigger ideological conflicts cant be won and asfar as ive seen go on indefinately. Some losing sides are willing to go to the bitter end nomatter how much lives are lost. Actually making people want what we have might take generations and in some cultures its generations of bloodshed and isolation from the rest of the world.
So why are you still alive then? Why should we 'tolerate' you?
You seem to be clinging to that one now, put it in your signature it will save you typing it every time.
You did already suggest deporting the known violent Islamists, you're quite right, and more stringent immigration laws. The event in question in Paris, i'm woefully uninformed of the attacker's backgrounds but could anyone shed any light on this? Were any of the attackers known as violent Islamists/would have been screened by stringent immigration laws prior to this attack?
Denial is surely claiming that such tiny measures would have any impact. Though i can easily imagine a government doing it to give the appearance of taking action where clearly none is being taken.
I agree, the long way might be a bloody way as people oppose change.
As for the Batman Joker analogy it's not actually a bad one. However, as you note at the end, 'If one would just die or leave, it would be done with it, but no.' I don't doubt that if all Muslims somehow died and there were no new Muslims then there would be no extremist Muslims, but that doesnt seem like much of an option, it'd be far bloodier than that since i suspect the Muslims would much prefer not to be wiped out. Also you'd need to get *all* of them, and put down the sympathizers too who side with them... it'd be a whole thing. And then we'd go back to finding other reasons to kill each other or commit mass-murder such as 'My dad didnt hug me... Die School Children!'.
Or alternatively accept that all non-muslims should die and you'd have the exact same situation in reverse except with a numerical advantage. Since the 'If one of them would just die' option is sadly not possible, the alternative is to close borders to each other, deport all the muslims and allow 'them' to deport all non-muslims. Then we're back in the situation of stewing in our angry insular juices again, we're not spreading the love of our sacred western values and meanwhile we're each finding different minorities to pick on. Also, we're still on the same planet and some muslims may not enjoy that they and other muslims were ousted from their homes.
Tolerance may be the slow and less exciting, less firebrand option, but it's the only one that stands a chance of yielding a result in the long-term.
They're already in your country woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, it's already begun! Try deporting everyone publicly preaching Islam's teachings, see what happens.
I say nearly exactly the same thing after every school shooting.
Multiculturalism only works if everyone buys into it. Religion, regardless of which one, is inherently intolerant, which is why all multicultural societies are fiercely secular. While the majority of Muslims immigrants are perfectly fine with this there is a vocal minority that wants exemptions placed so that parts of sharia law can exist alongside the existing system. This quite frankly is complete bullshit and the majority needs to become more vocal than the ultra conservative types.
99% of french muslim are respectfull of law and humanist...some of them are policemen.... your totally retracted on himself mind is stupid. What is nationalism ? We are all immigrants !
99% of french muslim are respectfull of law and humanist...some of them are policemen.... your totally retracted on himself mind is stupid. What is nationalism ? We are all immigrants !
This.
There are millions pacifist smart integrated muslims in France and THEY ARE FRENCH Like I m french (my familly came from Italy in 1920)...
When Breivik killed many pple you said the same about Christian religion ?
There are millions pacifist smart integrated muslims in France and THEY ARE FRENCH Like I m french (my familly came from Italy in 1920)...Breivik didn't do what he did because of his religion, and he actually said that he's not really religious, and thinks religion is a crutch.
When Breivik killed many pple you said the same about Christian religion ?
There are millions pacifist smart integrated muslims in France and THEY ARE FRENCH Like I m french (my familly came from Italy in 1920)...
When Breivik killed many pple you said the same about Christian religion ?
The vast majority of muslims I know (even 2nd or 3rd generation) absolutely do not identify as french. They don't give a shit about the country, it's history or it's values. Shut the fuck you godamn apologist piece of shit. Anecdotal data is fucking useless anyways, just look at statistics. Muslims in France are incredibly conservative in every single social matter of importance, moreso than even the furthest right-wing christian. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's fact. But keep defending their fucked up values, you stupid fuck.It's most fucked up because pepe has two kids and he's a full-time Muslim apologist.
Job well done, and they saved the hostage. Too bad about the grocery store hostage(s).
That isnt so much a religious concern as one where someone, who now after the incident people are claiming, was involved with al Quada and possibly even ISIS according to your article and was able to freely roam and take this action. Take religion out of the equation, links to quite possibly 2 separate terrorist organisations before this even happened. That's downright irresponsible, religion doesnt even factor into the fact that that's incompetent homeland security, or that this article is talking out of it's ass.
Hadn't France and Brits fucked over Ottoman Empire then Ottomans could've kept Arabs in check. HuehuehueHadn't France and Brits fucked over Russian Empire on Crimea Vodka could've rule over middle east :mrgreen:
-Involved with Al-Qaeda and ISISThe cognitive dissonance is indeed the most amazing thing about these retarded apologists, if it was anything but Islam the same people would be jumping all over it.
-Radicalized by muslim extremist preacher from outside of France coming to France to spread "proper" Islam
-Not a religious issue
Behold, the cognitive dissonance of the supremely retarded apologist.
http://rt.com/news/221255-montpellier-jewelery-hostage-france/ (http://rt.com/news/221255-montpellier-jewelery-hostage-france/)If by some miracle they turn out to be Muslims, I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Religion of peace, individuals, etc.
What the actual fuck.
Again?
If by some miracle they turn out to be Muslims, I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Religion of peace, individuals, etc.
The sources claim that we shouldn't connect them.Don't see anything about it on CNN, and that RT headline appears to have been rather... misleading.
Well since it's RT, that makes me doubt it even more
I still eat pizzas and sapghettis and I always say Mammamia !What does any of that have to do with anything?
I m less French for that ? Who is true french ? Bretons ? Occitans ? Basques ? Auvergnats ?
You don't know the history of My country... Immigrants make it richer each day... culture and money !
Yes ! Immigrant familly are consumers active !
I don't care about religions (tehy are all bullshits) but Islam is only ONE religion in many religions.... not a special one. Don't fear it because it is new for you...
Viking, Byzantians and many others became christians and forgot their ancient gods... did they disapeeared because of this ?
All religion can stay in my country FRANCE because we don't care about religions... we are the only one where RELIGIONS DON'T RULE !!!!
NO RELIGION WILL RULE MY COUNTRY !
Don't be afraid.....
I still eat pizzas and sapghettis and I always say Mammamia !
I m less French for that ? Who is true french ? Bretons ? Occitans ? Basques ? Auvergnats ?
You don't know the history of My country... Immigrants make it richer each day... culture and money !
Yes ! Immigrant familly are consumers active !
I don't care about religions (tehy are all bullshits) but Islam is only ONE religion in many religions.... not a special one. Don't fear it because it is new for you...
Viking, Byzantians and many others became christians and forgot their ancient gods... did they disapeeared because of this ?
All religion can stay in my country FRANCE because we don't care about religions... we are the only one where RELIGIONS DON'T RULE !!!!
NO RELIGION WILL RULE MY COUNTRY !
Don't be afraid.....
Would you let someone involved in 2 terrorist organisations run free if they were an atheist then? No, because that'd be stupid, you'd want them monitored at the very least regardless of their religion because that's a sensible response. If all you take from the fact that brothers with 2 'known' terrorist connections were allowed to do this is that they were Muslim then you're missing a bigger picture.
If i killed someone in the name of Tony the Tiger and shouted 'Theeeeeey're Greaaaaat!!!' whilst i committed my crime is it really an issue with breakfast cereals?
...Where were the armenian terrorist attacks? ...
"24 October 1975: Turkey’s Paris Ambassador İsmail Erez and his driver Talip Yener were murdered by Armenian militants in the vicinity of the Embassy by car bomb."That isn't an attack at the French, that's just an attack that took place on French soil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_people_from_Turkey#Ismail_Erez
GIGN was at the other scene.
What was this, the goddamn amateur hour? Trainee Thursday? If the hostages didn't die, the only reason was because the terr'ists didn't want to kill them/didn't have the presence of mind to do so.
I guess GIGN wasn't available...
GIGN was at the other scene.And yet that only explains one of the thousand things wrong with the scenario.
surrounding the 2 fanatics brothers.
Here, it's the RAID & BRI.
And as always you speak without knowing what happened...
The main entrance was blocked with shop materials (he had many hours for doing it) and also with the 3 bodies already killed when he entered in the shop for the first time.
This is why you see the line of cops not moving because they couldn't advance.
And because they couldn't advance, they had to pull the fire on them by threatening him with heavy fire. Because the risk was that he start to kill hostages.
And yet that only explains one of the thousand things wrong with the scenario.They also had to move/start the action because on the other scene (Dammartin), the 2 brothers went out and started a "surprise" attack against the GIGN.
They also had to move/start the action because on the other scene (Dammartin), the 2 brothers went out and started a "surprise" attack against the GIGN.I wonder what in "this hard situation" demanded that they form a blob of 50 guys around one door and shoot over each other's shoulders. Just because they got lucky with the fact that the terrorists didn't want to kill "civilians" and were poorly trained doesn't make it a "good job."
And because the terrorist in shop said that if something happen to the brothers, he will start killing his hostages.
Maybe it's looking shit and not professional, but even with this hard situation they managed to not kill any of the 15-18 hostages inside.
EDIT : sidenote :
Dammartin :
1 GIGN lightly wounded.
Paris :
2 RAID wounded in the feet/leg.
1 BRI wounded in the feet.
None of them has his life in danger.
I wonder what in "this hard situation" demanded that they form a blob of 50 guys around one door and shoot over each other's shoulders. Just because they got lucky with the fact that the terrorists didn't want to kill "civilians" and were poorly trained doesn't make it a "good job."I'm sure the almighty Xant knows everything about what the terrorist wanted & did inside.
I'm sure the almighty Xant knows everything about what the terrorist wanted & did inside.Heskey just posted about what one of the hostages said. And what they apparently said was that they don't kill civilians, and they considered the hostages civilians.
You would have done MUCH better, i'm sure of it.
Excuse me Ô Xant, i forgot that it was useless to speak with you.
My bad.
See you, you and your non-sense & "perfect/oneway" ideas.
Western Europe could learn a thing or two from Israel, when it comes to dealing with muslim terrorists.
PPle who fears differences and just weeding with cousins are degenerative pple for me...
Western Europe could learn a thing or two from Israel, when it comes to dealing with muslim terrorists, then shooting kids and civilians on side.
Western Europe could learn a thing or two from Israel, when it comes to dealing with muslim terrorists.
That's the crux of the issue though, isn't it? I wouldn't want to live in Israel. Not because it's not as safe as here, but because it's a plainly racist state. In his last speech, Hollande used a word I haven't heard on TV for several years : pluralism. Boy how happy I was to hear that.
The plurality of religious traditions and cultures ie multiculturalism only works when said religions agree to coexist. Given this string of incidents, there's one particular religion that refuses to coexist with the others: Islam.
Muslims are fine, when they are in the desert. Obviously those born and raised in Europe have some issues. Maybe they will feel better at some other place :wink:
Yea, but if you go way overboard with your islamhate, you turn to Israel. Which really is a very fucked up racist state. The israelis arent really cool about coexsisting either. They have pretty much turned into worse, than the things they fight against. This is why the logic "we are not them, we are better" exsists. Israel is the prime example of that. Years of fighting with them, somewhere along the line they turned into intolerant assholes themselves.
You realize some people are trying to change it, right ?
It's actually sad to see almost everyone in this thread think of muslims as animals, no more, no less.
Tell that to the families of the dead.The same order to kill you can find in your fucking bible.
Meanwhile I look at the Quran and the Hadith and see shit like "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." and “Kill the person who abuses the Prophet and whip the one who abuses his companions”.
Incompatible with modern society.
The same order to kill you can find in your fucking bible.And yet Christians aren't obeying these "same orders." Because they're not stuck in 4th century.
this says nothing about the practise of a religion.
And yet Christians aren't obeying these "same orders." Because they're not stuck in 4th century.
And yet Christians aren't obeying these "same orders." Because they're not stuck in 4th century.And yet muslems aren't obeying these "same orders." Because they're not stuck in 4th century.
Muslim women have no rights.
And yet muslems aren't obeying these "same orders." Because they're not stuck in 4th century.Except that they are? Look at countries like Saudi Arabia. If you get raped as a woman and go to the police, you get sent to prison for it. That's just one example. Not to mention all the stonings. Not to mention all the terrorist attacks.
don't confuse some extremist with the whole religion. this can't be so difficult.
Yes, the Quran or the Bible or whatever Asian religion are incompatible with modern society. But so is every supernatural belief when taken seriously, like homeopathy or even zodiac signs. You can't force people to not be dumb. Just because most of the terror attacks come from snackbars doesn't mean it's good idea to do something about Islam as a whole. Ultimately, discussing the subject like that leads to nothing productive. It's all identity politics.
Making it about religion or race won't solve anything. That's not wishful thinking, it's a practical observation. We will have terror attacks for as long as they appear to be effective at changing our society for the worst. The forces that seek to undermine freedom will always exist in one form or another. It's our reaction to those attacks that needs our utmost attention and vigilance, not the attacks themselves.
Terror attacks alone will never ever even start to hurt western countries. Even the WTC attacks barely scratched finance. Hell, the Internet in that region barely felt a thing even though one of the biggest primary nodes was hit. This is asymmetric warfare on a scale that defies the imagination. Those guys are so helpless they can't even find recruits good enough to not forget their ID cards in stolen cars. The only real achievement of Islamic terrorism in the 21st century has been that now I can't bring my own beverage whenever I travel by plane. This whole thing has and is being overblown by authoritarian politicians in the US to absolutely ridiculous levels of insane "precaution".
scientists like me
:lol: pepe - scientist, that's brilliant.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1420833044
Here, it's the RAID & BRI.Hahahaha, get fucking wrecked, retard:
And as always you speak without knowing what happened...
The main entrance was blocked with shop materials (he had many hours for doing it) and also with the 3 bodies already killed when he entered in the shop for the first time.
This is why you see the line of cops not moving because they couldn't advance.
And because they couldn't advance, they had to pull the fire on them by threatening him with heavy fire. Because the risk was that he start to kill hostages.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=869_1420833044
How they didn't manage to shoot him down even though they were firing so many bullets is amazing
Will of Allah, brü.
Also on 9 January, an armed gunman, speculated to be Coulibaly, attacked a Hypercacher kosher supermarket at Porte de Vincennes, east Paris, taking several hostages and reportedly killing at least four people.[131][125] He had a female accomplice, speculated to be Hayat Boumeddiene, 26.[132] It was later confirmed that Coulibaly was the gunman in Montrouge.[133] He was reportedly in contact with the Kouachi brothers as the sieges progressed, and told police that he would kill hostages if the brothers were harmed.[134] Police stormed the grocery store and gunned down Coulibaly.[135] Fifteen hostages were rescued.[136] The degree of Boumeddiene's involvement is unknown. Police reported that she was the wife of Amedy Coulibaly. She is described as "armed and extremely dangerous" and is still on the run
Had "Allah", still died to incompetent cops
lol
This is the dissonance I'm not getting. When attacks like this actually happen, as they have over the past several days, people desperately try to blame everything else but the obvious, which in this case are Islamists and their religion of pieces.
I never understood why depictions of Muhammed causes such an uproar amongst certain muslims. I mean there's a lot of depictions of Muhammed made by Muslims that were made during the Medieval age that exist to this day.
Like:
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I never understood why depictions of Muhammed causes such an uproar amongst certain muslims. I mean there's a lot of depictions of Muhammed made by Muslims that were made during the Medieval age that exist to this day.
Guy in a video of the Paris attacks shouts ALLAHU AKBAR WE HAVE AVENGED THE PROPHET
Surely its a lone wolf and has NOTHING to do with the religion of Islam as a whole /sarc
So if I kill some random people and shout something like "Jesus is Great" all Christians are bad? Makes sense.
And if 1 lone deranged sick christian idiot had, would we be having this exact same discussion about all christianity?
No, because that's not what occurred. Not certain what purpose what ifs serve when we know what happened
So if one sick christian decides to kill hundreds of people with drones, disregarding any law alot of people in Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria and many other countries have all the right to hate on christians am I right?
Again, I'm only looking at what happened. Can't change the facts to suit your narrative
So you are telling the US gouvernement aren't haven't killed hundreds of civilians using drones?
What does that have to do with Islamic terrorists gunning down satirists?
It just has something to do with generalisation about muslims. Just to give you an example why they could hate us all (if they would).
Muslims killed satirists that dared to insult their supposed "Prophet". If that's all it takes to set Muslims off, then there's something wrong with the religion itself.
I'm sorry if you don't like the course of events. Might as well declare a fatwa on me too
Hope that muslims will do something interesting in Germany and Austria, those bastions of equality and tolerance.
The fact that it's total bias against Islam, you wouldnt treat any other group like this for doing the same or worse.
You're talking like this is a unique thing to islamic extremists, well it wasnt from Islam that the UK saw the majority of it's terror attacks it was from Catholic extremists in the IRA. Notice how we didnt flip out over the religion or against their nationality. Is the IRA still launching terror attacks on civilians in the UK?
And stupid Americans kill schoolchildren simply because their life didnt go the way they wanted, if that's all it takes to set Americans off, then there's something wrong with the country itself.
Mmm, the whole 'islam is evil' thing loses some of it's weight if the anti-islamists are the ones hoping for additional incidents like this.
I figured, and i figure you'd prefer to be rid of the whole backwards practice of religion. The 'facts' seem to be open to debate since you seem convinced the attack was made by 'islam' rather than by 2 sick idiots using islam as their excuse. The point is what you do afterwards, who you blame, and how you react. The IRA bombings are in living memory for many people, it strikes me as strange that such a different reaction is warranted when it involves muslims.
Except nobody is "hoping" for more bloodshed (not sure why Leshma would say that other than to trip me up). Again, its known where these people were trained and what ideology (and by extension, religion) they were exposed to. I've already gone over a few ideas of what could be done (though the likelihood of any of it happening under Hollande is slim to none at best).
Imo it is still debateable if religion turns people in to fucked up beings or if fucked up beings just use religion as an excuse to do fucked up things.
Is this enough proof(click to show/hide)
I don't know how this picture should answer my question. I'm not the kind of guy that goes all panic mode if something like this incident happens.
The religion of peace did a pretty good job of making some monsters.
Except nobody is "hoping" for more bloodshed
That there's some blood on the ground? I dont think that proves anything. None of us are disputing that the attack happened, and that it was fucked up, but does it matter what a sick delusional blames their sick delusional actions on? For me it feels too much like trying to absolve the fucked up individual of blame, 'It's not their fault, their messed up religion made them do it', it is their fault, their singular fault, those individuals were messed up in their little dream world and got what they deserved.
And i suppose murderers who dont believe in a god were 'made' by their atheism? Or maybe there are just monsters from all backgrounds, it's just that the news only gets excited when they use the word 'Allah'. If they're obsessed with a religion to the point where they're willing to do what those fucks did, do you really think they'd have been healthy well-adjusted individuals if they were atheist?
Those right wingnuts (along with many on this forum) will be so disappointed when the streets dont run red with innocent blood.
Hope that muslims will do something interesting in Germany and Austria, those bastions of equality and tolerance.
That's what i think the larger issue is, for people to be able to claim *now* with an absolute certainty that one of the brothers received arms training in an Al Quaeda camp and that this was a known fact, and one brother is speculated to have had ISIS connections, how was this even allowed to happen?
Also, the fact they were able to get weapons in a country where the populace and police force are not typically armed. You and i are on different sides of the gun control fence, but i'm sure we can agree that the worst-case scenario is that the *wrong* people can get guns without the public having a defense.
Wanting to prevent attacks like these, there are certainly things that can be done to help prevent against *any* deranged gunman attacks, regardless of what delusion they suffer from.
no your mother
I dislike fanatics in general, doesnt really matter what they're fanatical about.
Tell me when was the last time that a nationalist went on a killing spree against muslims ???
At the very least, the open border policy needs to be reassessed.
Charlie Hebdo had some very funny spoofs on Christianity, and no Christians went to their offices to gun the artists down
Not sure where you're coming from
there was something similar in germanyland serveral times (no gun wielding extremists but funny cartoons about christians)....aaaand? You should finish the story.
end of the story was, that the church has sued the cartoonists and publishers.
there was something similar in germanyland serveral times (no gun wielding extremists but funny cartoons about christians).
end of the story was, that the church has sued the cartoonists and publishers.
Same for some political comedian. Made fun about Mohammed and Muslims. Some random Muslim sued him for "hurting his religious feelings".
Sadly yea, this is the case. Wouldnt it be just best to leave those ideals behind? As a person who has never believed in anything and is not very patriotic, i dont see peoples need to cling onto these beliefs. What is the point of moving to the Westernworld, seeing how people are really living and than ending up still rasing your kids, like they are still all stuck in the old country? It doesn't make any sense and defies reason.(click to show/hide)