Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Tibe on December 21, 2014, 10:44:11 am
Title: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Tibe on December 21, 2014, 10:44:11 am
A little forum bump.
I got a very wierd theory. This might be an utterly stupid assumption. But I got curious. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Man(or manish being) could potentially evolve and build a very large society(somewhat similar to ours) multiple times during that timeline and even the slightest effect they had and proof of their existence could easly desinegrate and be buried in less than million years. Is such a thing possible or am I just high again?
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Latvian on December 21, 2014, 11:03:36 am
i have theory that you evolved from dinosaurs
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Post by: Prpavi on December 21, 2014, 12:21:05 pm
Yes it's posslible, do you really think history as they teach us now is completely accurate? We know shit :wink:
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Post by: Sparvico on December 21, 2014, 12:55:28 pm
“Looking back a similar amount of time, we know that there was cellular life on earth. We had insects 400 million years ago, dinosaurs 300 million years ago and flowering plants 130 million years ago. Anatomically modern humans have only been around for the last 200,000 years – so you can see it takes a really long time for intelligent life to develop.
“The amount of habitable time on a planet is very important because it tells us about the potential for the evolution of complex life – which is likely to require a longer period of habitable conditions.
Now that's not to say it isn't possible, but so far absolutely zero (credible) evidence has been found to support such a theory, and a good deal has been found to support the current evolution theory.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Utrakil on December 21, 2014, 01:12:37 pm
I really like the theory that mankind had a significant time living in the ocean and on land. The human body shows some features that are really good adaption to the water. 1. the nose is much more streamlined and the opening shows in the oposite movementdirection when swimming (apes or monkeys nostrills are much more opened to the front). 2. unlike other monkeys humans can bend their back backwards. this is really essential for a good underwatermovement. 3. we lost our fur 4.we have rests of webs between our fingers. 5. our hipbones rotated compared to other apes which doesn't only allow us walking on two legs but also straighten the whole body for better swimming. 6. babies still have the reflex to hold their breath when submerged. 7. we can see underwater and produce saltwater for our eyes. 8. there are legends around the globe about waterdwellers(mermaids, atlantis)
there might have been more but I can't recall them. I know some of it is far fetched but I like the Idea. There are only very few mamals that are as good underwater as we are. And those mamals live parttime or fulltime in the water. For a landmamal we are exeptional good swimmers. If you need any Idea of what humans are capable look for apnoe diving.
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edit: Just found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquatic_ape_hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquatic_ape_hypothesis) haven't read it jet.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Leshma on December 21, 2014, 01:29:23 pm
You've got hella high, instead of your favorite porn from the 90s you've digged up a DVD with last episode of re-imagined Battlestar Galactica.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: darmaster on December 21, 2014, 02:05:52 pm
assassin's creed¿ queequack
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Tibe on December 21, 2014, 02:27:09 pm
Everything turns into dust or something else eventually. I was in the idea of more the line of that they died out entirely and all evidence of their existence just vanished in a mil+ years. That time had passed so much, that its not possible to find evidence of anything. That we arent related to them in any way. But they just simply exsisted before us. Another civilized sentinel beings, who built stuff etc. That they(and possibly other life) evolved from zero and completely died out along with all the evidence.
Now that I did look it up, im noticing that yea....pretty slim chance. Cause dinosaurs exsisted like 230mil years ago and we can easly find evidence of them. And the Earth started being habitable at all around 2 billion years ago. When I thought of it, I kinda considered a....well less slim chance. Still, kinda cool, dont you think... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: FleetFox on December 21, 2014, 03:15:01 pm
Mate you need to do some research about ancient civilisations, particularly around the Persian region and the Indian sub-continent. Some of the worlds most civilised societies were found here 5000+ years old, and they had much more advanced technology previously thought (for example very modern style irrigation techniques with canals, as well as sewers and advanced earth systems).
Depending on what values you count as being "civilised" some of these societies could be argued to be more so that modern variants. Sure you can ask how do we know this, but a lot of evidence can be attained through archaeology for example. Like I said if you are interested go do some research, its fascinating stuff and really helps you to critically analyse the current systems we live in now and whether they can be realistically changed for the better.
Cheers FleetFox
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Tibe on December 21, 2014, 04:10:00 pm
Ye, archeology works is it was 5000+ year. Im talking about a billion years, time that it takes for remains of things to turn into oil or something or so deep inside the earth its unreachable. Like way way before ancient civilizations.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Casimir on December 21, 2014, 04:42:38 pm
Possible yes, probable no way.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Nightmare798 on December 21, 2014, 09:16:31 pm
I got a very wierd theory. This might be an utterly stupid assumption. But I got curious. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Man(or manish being) could potentially evolve and build a very large society(somewhat similar to ours) multiple times during that timeline and even the slightest effect they had and proof of their existence could easly desinegrate and be buried in less than million years. Is such a thing possible or am I just high again?
Might be, There could have been a very advanced race of humans on earth before it colided with mars, and became as it is now. However, that is just a wild theory, and there is no way to back it up.
Write a book about it! Maybe one day, people will build churches and statues in your name and hail you as a herald of an extremely advanced race of gods, who you can promise people to return, and that they will create a boundless paradise, but only if they diligently work and pray in your name. Does that sound familiar?
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Xant on December 21, 2014, 10:15:39 pm
This thread is extremely bizarre
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Tibe on December 21, 2014, 10:46:12 pm
Possible. My lack of proper understanding of how evolution, earths age, weed and forming of oil works could have something to do with it.
And screw you latvian! Im a shapeshifting lizard hellbent on ruling societies of man, not a dinosaur.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Franke on December 21, 2014, 11:35:45 pm
I'm not an expert concerning paleontology, but I do not think that the proof of the existence of humans would completely vanish within just 1 million years, given the fact that we know about dinosaurs who died out like 65 million years ago.
If something similar to mankind had existed earlier, I do not think that in a direct evolutionary competition it would have been replaced byy reptiles/dinosaurs as, as we know, mankind can be pretty stubborn when it comes to maintaining their place in the sun. A possible theory could be that this first mankind would have been wiped out by a disaster or sth similar with the rptiles taking over the empty spot later on. But if this would have been the case, I wonder if we wouldn't have a proof of this disaster (As I said, I know little about paleontology and don't know what is possible today).
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: BASNAK on December 22, 2014, 02:08:40 am
All humans today have like 2-5% Homo Neanderthalis DNA in them, and there's plenty of evidence showing how humans evolved from other species. If you're going to suggest humans came here with some sort of spaceships it would almost be the same as arguing from an creationist viewpoint that humans didn't evolve at all.
*Edit* Oldest evidence of human precense is like 150-200k years old.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 22, 2014, 02:15:58 am
Wow, so much pseudoscience in a whole tread.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Kafein on December 24, 2014, 04:56:35 pm
Not really. An intelligent species even if extinct would have a trace somewhere in known animals, unless living somewhere completely isolated for millions of years and not explored by us in which case it would lack the environment to develop intelligence in the first place (as that only leaves a few caves, very deep water and very deep underground). Things don't develop intelligence overnight and it takes a sort of "arms race" between species to keep up the competition, which translates in a somewhat steady drift of the whole fauna towards more intelligence. Most dinosaurs were much dumber than current day chicken, if you can believe that.
Furthermore, any animal with intelligence similar to modern man would have moved from one continent to another like humans did and would have inevitably caused massive extinctions of indigenous fauna.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Xant on December 25, 2014, 02:53:48 am
Furthermore, any animal with intelligence similar to modern man would have moved from one continent to another like humans did and would have inevitably caused massive extinctions of indigenous fauna.
That isn't necessarily true. A lot of human qualities are tacked onto the concept of "intelligence", just because we're the only intelligent species we know. There's a bazillion crossroads where another intelligent being could've taken a different path, and things like 'boredom' which is and has been one of the most important things for mankind might not exist. And when you get enough different parts and goals, intelligence starts looking almost unrecognizable to what we call and think of as intelligence. If an intelligent species developed on Earth, then it'd likely share a lot of the same qualities as humans, unless it was very, very old. Either way it's an understatement to say it's "extremely unlikely" that anything similar to mankind existed on Earth before us.
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Post by: SixThumbs on December 25, 2014, 02:59:47 am
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Pawiu on December 25, 2014, 04:05:13 am
what the fuck guys ar eyou fucinbg kmiidding me awhat is this shit idea im fucking druj=kn and i can think better also i tking that there wwerew inteligent races on eartyh before humans i reall yliek e 40k dow universer ehree necrins were aons before humans and they wdtill hasve technological advantage
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Kafein on December 25, 2014, 01:02:49 pm
That isn't necessarily true. A lot of human qualities are tacked onto the concept of "intelligence", just because we're the only intelligent species we know. There's a bazillion crossroads where another intelligent being could've taken a different path, and things like 'boredom' which is and has been one of the most important things for mankind might not exist. And when you get enough different parts and goals, intelligence starts looking almost unrecognizable to what we call and think of as intelligence. If an intelligent species developed on Earth, then it'd likely share a lot of the same qualities as humans, unless it was very, very old. Either way it's an understatement to say it's "extremely unlikely" that anything similar to mankind existed on Earth before us.
True, but then what's the point of calling them "intelligent" anyway? I'd go with the definition of intelligence that carries more practical implications.
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Christo on December 25, 2014, 01:09:01 pm
what the fuck guys ar eyou fucinbg kmiidding me awhat is this shit idea im fucking druj=kn and i can think better also i tking that there wwerew inteligent races on eartyh before humans i reall yliek e 40k dow universer ehree necrins were aons before humans and they wdtill hasve technological advantage
lol
Title: Re: Is it possible mankind exsisted before?
Post by: Tibe on December 25, 2014, 09:31:50 pm
True, but then what's the point of calling them "intelligent" anyway? I'd go with the definition of intelligence that carries more practical implications.
Quite. Hardly doubt that a species capability to pick its own nose efficiently without the use of thumbs is comparable to building a fire or a wheelcart.
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on December 26, 2014, 07:55:59 am
Considering the fact that we can get fossil records on single-celled organisms up to 3.46 billion years ago, it's unlikely we would completely miss the evolution and existence of a sapient species similar to man. Earlier than 3.5 billion years earth was a real mess with lots of tectonic activity and murderous weather patterns so it would be a shock to discover even extremophilic bacteria from that period or earlier.
All that said, I love this idea popping up in science fiction. The idea of an ancient race wiser than man is cool beans, but the existential dread that rises from the question "why did they disappear?" is a great plot hook. If they could not stop the interstellar destroyer race or giant asteroid or whatever, then humans have no chance of saving themselves the same fate.
On the other end of the scale, there's post-human evolution in the future. When we disappear, who will take our place? Land squids is my personal favorite, but there is a great (cheesy) book by Dougal Dixon that theorizes our future and what shall descend from our lineage. You can read the full book (it's short) with scanned images legally on this site:
It gets really goofy sometimes, but I enjoyed the whole thing. Dougal Dixon illustrated some of my favorite dinosaur books from when I was a kid - his illustrations are awesome.
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Post by: njames89 on December 26, 2014, 08:58:03 am
Humans existed before got fat and lazy and evolved into pigs. GG enjoy your bacon sickos
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Post by: Nightmare798 on December 28, 2014, 12:02:52 pm