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Melee: Battlegrounds => General => Topic started by: Nessaj on November 30, 2014, 08:39:03 pm

Title: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Nessaj on November 30, 2014, 08:39:03 pm
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1601737664/melee-battlegrounds-spiritual-successor-to-the-crp/posts/1068690 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1601737664/melee-battlegrounds-spiritual-successor-to-the-crp/posts/1068690)

Drop us some Likes if you got an Kickstarter account (else make one :twisted: :P), they're supposedly muy importanté  :wink:

If anyone is interested in the GIF it's available here: http://i.imgur.com/SExo79b.gif
Available in higher quality (but as GIFV) here: http://i.imgur.com/Gy5najd.gifv & http://i.imgur.com/sNOeqpU.gifv


Tweet is live at: https://twitter.com/meleegame/status/539144533041491969
Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/meleebattlegrounds/posts/1603919413169713 (https://www.facebook.com/meleebattlegrounds/posts/1603919413169713)



Many thanks to Tor & Chase! (the guys you see dueling in the video!) [also Thomek made the video and the awesome mouse movement graphic]
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on November 30, 2014, 09:00:05 pm
Awesome! This is that kind of stuff that I really expected to see in the first video on KS!
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Nessaj on November 30, 2014, 10:03:15 pm
Those are great! Didn't know about that site! Could you make one with 640 pixels width? Also it can't be bigger than 10mb (requirement).
Because we really need someone who could take care of graphics stuff like this on the team :D we don't have anyone with any sort of skills/knowledge to quickly fix good working gifs, good working icons/images and so on.

We're practically 2 guys doing everything in regards to the updates, and in order to post in a timely fashion (wanted combat out 3 days ago) stuff like will happen. I simply don't have the time to cover all angles.
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on November 30, 2014, 10:18:28 pm
Quote from: Nessaj on November 30, 2014, 10:03:15 pm
Those are great! Didn't know about that site! Could you make one with 640 pixels width? Also it can't be bigger than 10mb (requirement).
Because we really need someone who could take care of graphics stuff like this on the team :D we don't have anyone with any sort of skills/knowledge to quickly fix good working gifs, good working icons/images and so on.

We're practically 2 guys doing everything in regards to the updates, and in order to post in a timely fashion (wanted combat out 3 days ago) stuff like will happen. I simply don't have the time to cover all angles.
Damn! I wish I had some knowledge and skills in this matter. I simply googled some video-to-gif sites... I'll try something :)
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Nessaj on November 30, 2014, 10:22:54 pm
Quote from: enigmatic_stranger on November 30, 2014, 10:18:28 pm
Damn! I wish I had some knowledge and skills in this matter. I simply googled some video-to-gif sites... I'll try something :)

Same, but I fell over this http://www.video-gif-converter.com/ (http://www.video-gif-converter.com/) :D worked well for the KS gifs.
Not so well here, but it's because the video I had for making the gif had lightning speed instead of the nice slow lots of frames speed you see in the YouTube video.

The ideal is to export a video into Photoshop, and then have photoshop make the GIF for you, but it's a tedious task and I end up using like 20/30 minutes on all these little things all the time which pushes the time schedule too far :(

If anyone can make a good 640x width gif showcasing that mouse input control part please post it here and I'll edit it into the big Kickstarter presentation!

Also any graphics peeps feel free to step up (send me a PM if you're interested) :P
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Sigibert on November 30, 2014, 10:50:58 pm
Damn sweet! Every M&B player should be impressed by seeing this
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 30, 2014, 11:09:12 pm
Quote from: Sigibert on November 30, 2014, 10:50:58 pm
Damn sweet! Every M&B player should be impressed by seeing this

Even more important though it should impress everyone else! Good update!
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Moncho on November 30, 2014, 11:09:51 pm
Is that you playing the controlled char, Nessaj?
If so, Tor vs Cooties is a cRPG old and gold. Shame that you couldn't give him a big axe
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Nessaj on November 30, 2014, 11:11:44 pm
Quote from: Moncho on November 30, 2014, 11:09:51 pm
Is that you playing the controlled char, Nessaj?
If so, Tor vs Cooties is a cRPG old and gold. Shame that you couldn't give him a big axe

Chase = Duel POV
Tor = Duel challenger
Thomek = Camera (and generally making the whole video)
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Grumbs on November 30, 2014, 11:39:17 pm
Looks pretty good. I know its WIP and still alpha, just thought I'd make some comments about what I saw from a semi devil's advocate viewpoint...I didn't really see much tricking/feinting/footwork/holds or advanced kind of play you see in cRPG. I only really counted one feint, and it was a feint that didn't change attack direction. What would have been a chamber didn't really lead to anything. Not saying that it should, but things like chambers make the combat more interesting. Things similar to that might spice up the gameplay (within the actual swinging/stabbing system though, not with disables like nudges/kicks etc). I guess if Chase had played this as much as cRPG we might see a more interesting duel

Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 30, 2014, 11:43:49 pm
Quote from: Grumbs on November 30, 2014, 11:39:17 pm
Looks pretty good. I know its WIP and still alpha, just thought I'd make some comments about what I saw from a semi devil's advocate viewpoint...I didn't really see much tricking/feinting/footwork/holds or advanced kind of play you see in cRPG. I only really counted one feint, and it was a feint that didn't change attack direction. What would have been a chamber didn't really lead to anything. Not saying that it should, but things like chambers make the combat more interesting. Things similar to that might spice up the gameplay (within the actual swinging/stabbing system though, not with disables like nudges/kicks etc). I guess if Chase had played this as much as cRPG we might see a more interesting duel

nvm
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Chasey on November 30, 2014, 11:44:52 pm
Quote from: Grumbs on November 30, 2014, 11:39:17 pm
Looks pretty good. I know its WIP and still alpha, just thought I'd make some comments about what I saw from a semi devil's advocate viewpoint...I didn't really see much tricking/feinting/footwork/holds or advanced kind of play you see in cRPG. I only really counted one feint, and it was a feint that didn't change attack direction. What would have been a chamber didn't really lead to anything. Not saying that it should, but things like chambers make the combat more interesting. Things similar to that might spice up the gameplay (within the actual swinging/stabbing system though, not with disables like nudges/kicks etc). I guess if Chase had played this as much as cRPG we might see a more interesting duel

We were told we had about 15 seconds for the duel footage, so we couldn't fit much in. So me and Tor scripted a little sequence to try and show everything. Starting with a cool looking charge at the beginning, followed by  several normal attacks so the narrator could talk through the basics, then 3 feints and a chamber to finish. Would be nice if we could do an extended duel as we felt we could have shown more, but for a quick glimpse at gameplay we thought it was a good representation.
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Thomek on December 01, 2014, 12:14:31 am
Here's the vid to make gif from.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz11iha4yusdqjo/combat_to_gif.mp4?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz11iha4yusdqjo/combat_to_gif.mp4?dl=0)
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Xant on December 01, 2014, 12:38:06 am
Quote from: Grumbs on November 30, 2014, 11:39:17 pm
I only really counted one feint, and it was a feint that didn't change attack direction.
There were feints that changed attack direction..
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: MeevarTheMighty on December 01, 2014, 02:11:02 am
I think the fact that not a lot is shown in the duel isn't anyone's fault, it's just that the game isn't finished so cool stuff isn't really possible at this stage.

We've all played the pre-alpha, there's not much you can do in terms of advanced play, so the duelists did a pretty good job.

More interesting cinematography would have been nice though. No offense, Thomek, but I don't get the feeling you put a lot into trying to make it exciting.
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Thomek on December 01, 2014, 02:44:24 am
We'll we got criticized for cutting too much in the KS vid. Wanted to make it real and true.. :)

The upper left vid during dueling is partly there because mp clients couldnt turn off server messages that it's hiding..

So yeah.. goal wasn't "exiting" but just to show and explain.

Also, you don't know about effort.
For this it took duelers and us couple of days to get everything working smoothly, just to record it. Add that pm's, organization, switching of duelers etc. Then Ozin set up the arena in a more interesting location, then Mark did a few version of the recording, while I'm re-editing and cleaning sound etc. Back and forth at least 4-5 times. Then I spend some hours making the mouse-animation. Cleaning the sound one final time..

Sometimes your attitude pisses me off a little. All this is result of hard work, for no monetary payoff. Just bases on a loose dream of making an awesome game, and having the chance to not sit lonely at every corner of the world, sending files back and forth..  Maybe I'm a crap filmmaker or whatever, but anyone here can raise their hands and do it better. Seriously, if anyone wants to help make videos for the KS and be 100% dedicated about it, PM me.
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Nessaj on December 01, 2014, 03:42:57 am
What's not shown in the duel? There's feints in it, shown both with slow-mo and normally, plus it's explained in the actual text on KS and the YouTube description (+ audio, and in a way so that normal people can understand it). I quoted Wikipedia on feints in the description. That was good enough, at least that's what I felt. Yes feints could have been used more in the duel, sure, but I never thought anything was really missing from the duel except maybe more use of the various angles.
 
Also Thomek is just tired (and stressed :P excuse him), but yeah there was actually a lot of effort put into making this not a bland video, and as I explain in the vid we'll make more to talk about everything in full, I imagine like 5 minutes+ of talking and explaining everything.

We though can't make everything perfect, we're not a studio with tons of resources, we can't modify every thing we say and do to perfection, literally all of us are doing this (and have done) for 0 monetary gain so far while trying to manage our jobs on the side (which is pretty damn tough and very stressful, especially these days, so sorry in advance if anyone comes off as a bit salty!). We do screen-test with a small group, some from the community and others from outside who never played these types of games. I'll add a few more prying eyes for the next videos, see if we can cover everyone's concerns properly in the future.

#nohate pls :<
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: MeevarTheMighty on December 01, 2014, 06:07:04 am
Soz Thomek, I did explicitly say "put a lot into making it exciting", not "put a lot into it". I know you guys are working yourselves into the grave and it must be very stressful and also cloud your vision somewhat.

On the other hand, the whole idea of these videos is to get people excited about the game so that they'll back it and tell their friends. With that in mind, I don't think it makes sense to take a documentary approach. I'm obviously not calling you incapable, I just don't think this video hit the mark in that respect.
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 01, 2014, 08:07:45 am
Best update so far, everything looked great!
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Grumbs on December 01, 2014, 12:48:41 pm
Don't mind me. I didn't realise it was semi choreographed. I think if Tor and Chase were genuinely trying to kill each other that might make the duel more intense, but I realise the need to have structure so you can explain stuff. I was probably thinking about how a Tor vs Chase duel would look in cRPG and there would be more going on than in the duel here. I did miss a couple feints

Anyway good job guys I only want whats best for the game. I don't think it needs to be over edited or shot to make it more intense either, was more the gameplay I was interested in. The way it was shot was fine to me
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Micah on December 01, 2014, 01:04:43 pm
wth is a gifv? noever seen that before in my life  :oops:
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Grumbs on December 01, 2014, 04:06:41 pm
I tried making a new gif
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Penitent on December 01, 2014, 04:21:43 pm
AMAZING

I'm am considering upping my backing $'s now
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: pogosan on December 01, 2014, 04:26:31 pm
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Grumbs on December 01, 2014, 04:36:52 pm
Needs to be under 10 mb for the gif apparently
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: pogosan on December 01, 2014, 05:43:30 pm
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Angantyr on December 03, 2014, 01:57:38 pm
Looks excellent.
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Grumbs on December 03, 2014, 02:23:57 pm
My gif is getting a little interest on imgur http://imgur.com/gallery/UItifpU
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on December 03, 2014, 02:43:41 pm
Quote from: Grumbs on December 03, 2014, 02:23:57 pm
My gif is getting a little interest on imgur http://imgur.com/gallery/UItifpU
Those comments look retarded though:
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 03, 2014, 02:44:03 pm
Basically it's an Upgraded Morrowind  :lol:
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: chadz on December 03, 2014, 02:45:15 pm
 :D
Might as well say "basically it's an upgraded prince of persia"
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on December 03, 2014, 03:05:36 pm
Quote from: chadz on December 03, 2014, 02:45:15 pm
:D
Might as well say "basically it's an upgraded prince of persia"

Prince of Persia was awesome though (well the first one)
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: chadz on December 03, 2014, 03:24:13 pm
Except for that mirror guy. Ugh.

Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Byrdi on December 03, 2014, 09:59:03 pm
Quote from: SirCymro_Crusader on December 03, 2014, 03:05:36 pm
Prince of Persia was awesome though (well the first one)

And Morrowind wasn't awesome? :(
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on December 04, 2014, 02:56:33 pm
Quote from: Byrdi on December 03, 2014, 09:59:03 pm
And Morrowind wasn't awesome? :(

Unfortunately when Morrowind was released i didn't have a PC so I ended up playing Oblivion first (on PS3) so when i eventually got to playing Morrowing I couldn't get past the annoying 'you need stamina to do damage' and so I always ended up giving up in about 1-2 hours of gameplay
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Angantyr on December 04, 2014, 07:02:40 pm
Just use the trainers found in every city to get past that before adventuring. There's no maximum on skill trainings per level in Morrowind, and they are mostly cheap. On my last two playthroughs I didn't start adventuring before level 30-40ish (of course you do so far earlier), just did city quests, focusing on speech, alchemy, mercantile, athletics, acrobatics, until I had a good amount of HP, stamina, gold for equipment and training (and practically unlimited supply of potions due to alchemy).
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on December 04, 2014, 08:39:09 pm
Can anyone convert this into a ~3 mb. file for me? I am planning to post it on 9my old friend. You might want to bash me for it but it is actually a good place to attract some attention.
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Beauchamp on December 04, 2014, 09:11:23 pm
looks good, question is why wasn't it included in the original ks post :(
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on December 05, 2014, 08:21:57 pm
Quote from: Daunt_Flockula on December 04, 2014, 08:39:09 pm
Can anyone convert this into a ~3 mb. file for me? I am planning to post it on 9my old friend. You might want to bash me for it but it is actually a good place to attract some attention.

Come on guys? Can't any of you really do dis? I am a nab at picture modifications and editing. I would do it if I could.
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Pestdoktor on December 05, 2014, 08:36:47 pm
http://webmup.com/ewlMH/vid.webm (http://webmup.com/ewlMH/vid.webm)

here's a 3mb webm, dunno if 9gag supports that...

edit: 2.93mb, had to cut the last few seconds with the name though:
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3.02mb, full:
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Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on December 05, 2014, 08:57:32 pm
Thanks a ton. This will do it :D
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Pestdoktor on December 08, 2014, 06:30:16 am
some more, less choppy gifs. they look shite and come a little late, though, i guess  :|

640x360, 20fps, <10mb
(click to show/hide)

320x180, 20fps, <3mb
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: New Update Out! [Combat description]
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on December 08, 2014, 11:16:19 am
Not late really. The gif you made has already done the trick for us :D