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Title: what
Post by: spiritus on October 30, 2014, 06:20:05 am
New Scottish poleaxe is way over powered, normal spear still sucks dick and is way out classed.
Title: Re: what
Post by: BlindGuy on October 30, 2014, 07:34:53 am
Is this for cereal? It cant be, noone can really think spear is anything but godlike since it got P-sideswings
Title: Re: what
Post by: spiritus on November 03, 2014, 05:32:45 am
Quote from: BlindGuy on October 30, 2014, 07:34:53 am
Is this for cereal? It cant be, noone can really think spear is anything but godlike since it got P-sideswings
the spear is garbage look at the stats again and blunt is way better the pierce
Title: Re: what
Post by: spiritus on November 03, 2014, 05:54:12 am
Quote from: spiritus on October 30, 2014, 06:20:05 am
New Scottish poleaxe is way over powered, normal spear still sucks dick and is way out classed.
This weapon is way op, at 33 p 42 c, with a staggering 93 speed combined with its 144 length. This weapon is no fair, i just went 17 n 4 while having immense ping spikes going into 300s at times.
Title: Re: what
Post by: San on November 03, 2014, 07:00:13 am
It's 32p at +3, not 33p. I think it's a little too strong and would've preferred something like -1 speed. For pure swinging, you'd want a glaive-type weapon that deals the same damage with the same speed for more length. It's a matter of how much you think the extra pierce and bonus vs shields is worth it vs. extra length. It's very strong, but I don't think it's strong enough to be overcentralizing at this point.

Suggested stats?
Title: Re: what
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on November 03, 2014, 07:15:21 am
Quote from: San on November 03, 2014, 07:00:13 am
It's 32p at +3, not 33p. I think it's a little too strong and would've preferred something like -1 speed. For pure swinging, you'd want a glaive-type weapon that deals the same damage with the same speed for more length. It's a matter of how much you think the extra pierce and bonus vs shields is worth it vs. extra length. It's very strong, but I don't think it's strong enough to be overcentralizing at this point.

Suggested stats?

1 speed 2 length 3 cut 4 pierce 5 weight...
Title: Re: what
Post by: Artyem on November 03, 2014, 07:46:09 am
unsheathable
Title: Re: what
Post by: Grumbs on November 03, 2014, 10:44:11 am
It could become more similar stat wise to the regular Poleaxe. Should be easier to balance it with the other polearms then. 91 speed, 29 stab, 39 swing
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Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on November 05, 2014, 05:12:14 am
Haven't really used the Scottish Halberd myself, so I won't add a suggestion yet, but comparing weapons that are that are vastly different in upkeep cost generally doesn't go well.

Compare Svaerdstav vs. Military Scythe, they're not even that distant in upkeep in comparison to Spear vs. Scottish Halberd.

Military Scythe
Difficulty: 13
Weight: 2.5
Speed Rating: 91 (92 at +3)
Weapon Length: 155
Thrust Damage: 22 Pierce (24 at +3)
Swing Damage: 34 Cut (37 at +3)
271 Upkeep
Svaerdstav
Difficulty: 15
Weight: 2.4
Speed Rating: 92 (93 at +3)
Weapon Length: 156 (actually mis-sized at the moment, it should be longer)
Thrust Damage: 24 Pierce (28 at +3)
Swing Damage: 34 Cut (38 at +3)
576 Upkeep
Title: Re: what
Post by: Kafein on November 06, 2014, 02:04:04 pm
Best Thread Title 2014
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Post by: Jona on November 07, 2014, 07:34:07 am
Long Hafted Blade
Difficulty: 15
Weight: 2
Speed Rating: 93
Weapon Length: 153
Thrust damage: 19 pierce
Swing damage: 37 cut
648 Upkeep
Svaerdstav
Difficulty: 13
Weight: 2.4
Speed Rating: 92
Weapon Length: 156 (And it's supposed to be even longer?)
Thrust Damage: 24 Pierce
Swing Damage: 34 Cut
576 Upkeep

The svaerdstav trades 1 speed and 3 cut for a lower difficulty, a little more weight, a little extra reach, 5 pierce, and less upkeep... not to mention at +3 the LHB only has a 2 cut advantage, since for some reason the svaerdstav has the best masterworked bonuses of any weapon. How's that for balance?
Title: Re: what
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on November 07, 2014, 08:40:17 am
1 speed and 2c are both pretty significant, though 13 difficulty and 15 difficulty are basically the same thing barring some extreme builds.

I'd say the ability to use Svaerdstav with a shield and one handed lance thrust animation on horseback pushes it over LHB for flexibility, I rarely ever see anyone doing guandao cavalry because of the terrible penalties it has. For no shield infantry, Svaerdstav is kind of lackluster vs. stuff like LHB/Scottish Halberd/Glaive or the 2D weapons.

The reason why Svaerdstav gets high bonuses is it uses imodbits_spear or something, most heirloom bonuses are based on rounded percentage additions based on an imodbits value.  Some weapons get comparable or better bonuses, especially if you account for +3b/p being a bit better than +4c (See any staff, for example).
Title: Re: what
Post by: Morris on November 08, 2014, 02:55:55 am
I think the spear is pretty good


but the scottish halberd is fucking ridiculous
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Post by: Angantyr on November 12, 2014, 07:43:06 pm
Remember that the Scottish Halberd's length is model length not actual animation reach, because of the odd grip. A comparison with German Poleaxe (weapon length 131 vs weapon length 144):

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Title: Re: what
Post by: Jona on November 12, 2014, 09:24:01 pm
This is why it would be great if the website listed effective reach for every weapon rather than its length. 1handers and 2handers have very little variation, yet you can have a 120 length polearm have more effective reach than a 130 length one. That,  and it is very difficult to accurately gauge the length of a new polearm when it is held so weirdly.. I am still unsure how the scottish halberd's length compares to other weapons that I already own... I can barely tell if it is even longer than the voulge half the time.
Title: Re: what
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on November 13, 2014, 03:53:37 am
I think that grip thing might be due to itp_offset_lance.
Title: Re: what
Post by: spiritus on December 07, 2014, 11:22:31 am
Quote from: San on November 03, 2014, 07:00:13 am
It's 32p at +3, not 33p. I think it's a little too strong and would've preferred something like -1 speed. For pure swinging, you'd want a glaive-type weapon that deals the same damage with the same speed for more length. It's a matter of how much you think the extra pierce and bonus vs shields is worth it vs. extra length. It's very strong, but I don't think it's strong enough to be overcentralizing at this point.

Suggested stats?
It just way outclasses the normal poleaxe /: just reduse the speed and cut maybe
Title: Re: what
Post by: spiritus on December 07, 2014, 11:23:10 am
Quote from: BlindGuy on October 30, 2014, 07:34:53 am
Is this for cereal? It cant be, noone can really think spear is anything but godlike since it got P-sideswings
You all must be retarded look at the spears stats, they are garbage compared to other weapons
Title: Re: what
Post by: San on December 10, 2014, 02:32:57 am
The post about the reach had me second guessing how much better the weapon is.
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Post by: Senni__Ti on December 10, 2014, 05:12:37 pm
Quote from: Huscarlton_Banks on November 13, 2014, 03:53:37 am
I think that grip thing might be due to itp_offset_lance.

It was an odd setup in the brf.

I rescaled it awhile back in blender, should look much better now. (well whenever it gets patched)
Title: Re: what
Post by: Jona on December 10, 2014, 08:05:43 pm
Wait, so is the halberd going to be getting its "proper" grip now, meaning that its length will be increased? If so, the stats will definitely need some adjustment. I'd almost rather it stay short and keep the current (or similar) stats than just become a poleaxe clone. Right now it fills a unique niche, such that it is essentially one of the shorter polearm axes (think long war axe) but trades some cutting power and a lot for speed for a strong, cav-rearing stab. I've always wanted a polearm that could fill that gap.
Title: Re: what
Post by: ThePoopy on December 12, 2014, 08:54:12 pm
-1 speed and its on same tier as elegant pokeaxe